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"You did not find any loot during this excavation. Try again!" - Health Excavation

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  • "You did not find any loot during this excavation. Try again!" - Health Excavation

    This had never happened to me before.

    2 days ago I brought the Mist II Health Excavation Quest to level 1 several times before collecting.

    And when collecting instead of getting 200 Health Essence I got this message:
    "You did not find any loot during this excavation. Try again!"

    Twice. Out of 13 collects at lvl 1.

    I don't think I've seen written anywhere (wiki, forums...) that Def & Health Excavation quests have a failure rate.

    Was I just very lucky before that it never happened to me? Or is it something new, or a bug?

  • #2
    I've never seen or heard about such a thing.
    ~VoV~

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    • #3
      It is likely a bug. You should report this to the devs.


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      • #4
        I also get this. It's started several months ago. I've seen it a few times on weekends, when collecting after the level 1 health quest. About 2 failures when collecting 15 times.

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        • #5
          I've gotten this message as well several times, on all excavation quests.
          First time i feel it was about 3 months ago.
          Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

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          • #6
            So it definitely does not seem to be a bug.
            Really weird that it was added recently...

            It's happened to me again, now I'm at 3 failures out of 27 collects.
            That's roughly a 10% failure rate. Though the sample is way too small.

            I was collecting at Lvl 1 for the green crystals chance, and because the essence earned was not that much worse; but now I'm wondering whether I'll keep trying to earn crystals through Excavation quests.


            I've asked someone who collects at Lvl 3 or 4 or he hasn't seen this message. So the success rate may be 100% or close at higher collection levels.

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            • #7
              Weird, has never happened to me.....yet
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              • #8
                Originally posted by gogoo View Post
                So it definitely does not seem to be a bug.
                Really weird that it was added recently...

                It's happened to me again, now I'm at 3 failures out of 27 collects.
                That's roughly a 10% failure rate. Though the sample is way too small.

                I was collecting at Lvl 1 for the green crystals chance, and because the essence earned was not that much worse; but now I'm wondering whether I'll keep trying to earn crystals through Excavation quests.


                I've asked someone who collects at Lvl 3 or 4 or he hasn't seen this message. So the success rate may be 100% or close at higher collection levels.


                How do you know for sure that it is not a bug? And how do you know that it was recently changed? Have you talk to someone from CA and that is what they told you?

                As far as I know since essence excavation was introduced, you always get essence regardless what level you complete. The success rate does not increase at higher level. There is a trade off for collect at high level vs at lower level and that is the energy cost to essence amount ratio.

                Code:
                	energy	tot ene	essence	tot ess	ene:ess
                L1	300	300	205	205	1.46
                L2	400	700	310	515	1.36
                L3	500	1200	415	930	1.29
                L4	600	1800	520	1450	1.24

                As you can see the your energy to essence cost is higher at L1 than at L4, and that is the penalty already built in for collection early at lower level. To add another layer of failure on collection would be too severe.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dokkōdō View Post
                  How do you know for sure that it is not a bug? And how do you know that it was recently changed? Have you talk to someone from CA and that is what they told you?

                  As far as I know since essence excavation was introduced, you always get essence regardless what level you complete. The success rate does not increase at higher level. There is a trade off for collect at high level vs at lower level and that is the energy cost to essence amount ratio.

                  Code:
                  	energy	tot ene	essence	tot ess	ene:ess
                  L1	300	300	205	205	1.46
                  L2	400	700	310	515	1.36
                  L3	500	1200	415	930	1.29
                  L4	600	1800	520	1450	1.24

                  As you can see the your energy to essence cost is higher at L1 than at L4, and that is the penalty already built in for collection early at lower level. To add another layer of failure on collection would be too severe.
                  I said that because it's apparently happening to everyone (not sure though, but it looks likely to me), and there's also a message for it. It's not like the game said you were getting the Essence, but when you check in your keep nothing was actually added.
                  Here, there's an actual "failure" message which is specific to excavation, so it doesn't look like it was put there by mistake.

                  Also I said it was recently changed because everyone in this thread who said it happened to them also said it started happening a few months ago.


                  But I suppose it could still be unintended / a bug, and I do agree with you that the "original" penalty for collecting at lower levels is definitely enough.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by gogoo View Post
                    I said that because it's apparently happening to everyone (not sure though, but it looks likely to me), and there's also a message for it. It's not like the game said you were getting the Essence, but when you check in your keep nothing was actually added.
                    Here, there's an actual "failure" message which is specific to excavation, so it doesn't look like it was put there by mistake.

                    Also I said it was recently changed because everyone in this thread who said it happened to them also said it started happening a few months ago.


                    But I suppose it could still be unintended / a bug, and I do agree with you that the "original" penalty for collecting at lower levels is definitely enough.
                    No, I do a lot of essence excavation every week for several accounts, and I have not seen such message. Also, please do not say everyone b/c obviously you have not talk to everyone. That kind of "absolute" statement can lead to misinformation dissemination. If anything, I believe this was a bug. And if it was surreptitiously changed but not inform to the players base then that was am underhanded move by the devs.


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by gogoo View Post
                      I said that because it's apparently happening to everyone (not sure though, but it looks likely to me), [...]
                      [...], so it doesn't look like it was put there by mistake.
                      Originally posted by Dokkōdō View Post
                      Also, please do not say everyone b/c obviously you have not talk to everyone. That kind of "absolute" statement can lead to misinformation dissemination.
                      Absolute? Wtf?
                      It's extremely far from being an absolute statement. It's actually pretty much the opposite of an absolute statement. If anyone takes anything I wrote in this post for the definite truth, it's on them.


                      Originally posted by Dokkōdō View Post
                      No, I do a lot of essence excavation every week for several accounts, and I have not seen such message.
                      The 3 players who said that never happened to them, including you, never stated whether you collected at lvl 1 or lvl 4 (or 2 or 3, even though there's not much point in collecting at lvl 2 or 3).
                      It would be interesting to know.



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                      Here's another "testimony" on the subject, from Discord:
                      Originally posted by sisu
                      I don’t post on forum anymore, but regarding this: [link to this thread] this is not a bug. There’s always been a chance of getting nothing if you don’t excavate fully. It’s been this way for years.
                      So that's yet another take on the matter... Since he says it has always been like that.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gogoo View Post
                        ...
                        The 3 players who said that never happened to them, including you, never stated whether you collected at lvl 1 or lvl 4 (or 2 or 3, even though there's not much point in collecting at lvl 2 or 3).
                        It would be interesting to know.



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                        Here's another "testimony" on the subject, from Discord:

                        So that's yet another take on the matter... Since he says it has always been like that.

                        95% of the time I always collect at L1, unless my energy is overflow during the week b/c I level up too fast then I collect at higher levels. That usually happens during special monster events.

                        Perhaps, next time you could find out if these people who do not get essence on collection whether their account is iOS or not? If the person you quoted from discord say it has been always like that then it would be very weird for me, statistically speaking. I have done at least 10K excavations over the years, and I always observe closely each time I collect to see if I get green crystal or not. I always get essence but green crystal is not a guarantee.

                        Perhaps, the text may be a mistype intended to let the player know they did not get green crystal, but essence you should always get.
                        Last edited by Dokkōdō; 07-09-2019, 03:31 PM.


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                        • #13
                          FB account here, i saw the 'failure' msg some time ago (maybe 3-4 months?) for the first time.
                          I always collect at lvl1 and showed up on more than 1 excavation quest, as i tried others as well.
                          Ever since, i keep seeing it on subsequent 'green crystal' days, not always, but at least 10 times in that period.
                          I have not checked whether i DID get any essence after all (besides not getting any green crystal) despite the 'failure' msg though.
                          I'll try to remember and keep an eye out next time it shows up, for a screenshot and whether i did actually get the essences.
                          Last edited by Fadasmax; 07-09-2019, 05:23 PM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dokkōdō View Post
                            That kind of "absolute" statement can lead to misinformation dissemination.
                            Just blindly dismissing all new information as "false" can -also- lead to misinformation dissemination.


                            Originally posted by Dokkōdō View Post
                            Perhaps, next time you could find out if these people who do not get essence on collection whether their account is iOS or not?
                            This issue, both message and not getting essence, is confirmed to happen on both iOS and web based versions of the game. Not only that, it's been reported that the failure rate is higher the lower the level you complete.


                            Originally posted by Dokkōdō View Post
                            I have done at least 10K excavations over the years, and I always observe closely each time I collect to see if I get green crystal or not.
                            Originally posted by Dokkōdō View Post
                            Perhaps, the text may be a mistype intended to let the player know they did not get green crystal.
                            Given that the issue occurs on both FB and iOS I would argue that in 10K excavations (9500 at lvl 1 according to your own words) you should have had this happen at least once or twice -unless-:

                            1. You really weren't paying as close attention as you claimed.

                            OR

                            2. This is a more recent change and you just haven't seen it happen yet.


                            I know you well enough to say that option 1 does not apply (but by all means correct me if I'm wrong). Which then suggests that this could be a recent change.

                            Given that people are still trying to figure that out it would help to stay at least a bit open minded in terms of potential changes.

                            As such I'm going to ask that, unless confirmed further in the thread, you refrain from making statements such as:

                            Originally posted by Dokkōdō View Post
                            but essence you should always get.
                            Because to put in in your own words:

                            Originally posted by Dokkōdō View Post
                            That kind of "absolute" statement can lead to misinformation dissemination.
                            Thanks!
                            Last edited by Shadow Reaper; 07-09-2019, 05:32 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Shadow Reaper View Post
                              Just blindly dismissing all new information as "false" can -also- lead to misinformation dissemination.




                              This issue, both message and not getting essence, is confirmed to happen on both iOS and web based versions of the game. Not only that, it's been reported that the failure rate is higher the lower the level you complete.






                              Given that the issue occurs on both FB and iOS I would argue that in 10K excavations (9500 at lvl 1 according to your own words) you should have had this happen at least once or twice -unless-:

                              1. You really weren't paying as close attention as you claimed.

                              OR

                              2. This is a more recent change and you just haven't seen it happen yet.


                              I know you well enough to say that option 1 does not apply (but by all means correct me if I'm wrong). Which then suggests that this could be a recent change.

                              Given that people are still trying to figure that out it would help to stay at least a bit open minded in terms of potential changes.

                              As such I'm going to ask that, unless confirmed further in the thread, you refrain from making statements such as:



                              Because to put in in your own words:



                              Thanks!
                              I'm in the same boat (give or take) as Dok.
                              I have level one collected more times than I could imagine. I have never received that message. It really is a blessing that it won't let collect until you've either completed a level or run out of time.

                              For grins and giggles I'll do a few dozen on crystal day this week and see if I can get it .
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