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  • VARGULIS, 50 or 20? Noob's question

    Do you guys know if it is better hitting VARGULIS with 50 or 20 stamina? I think 50 but maybe there's a sort of war between monster hunters

  • #2
    50 or 20 makes no difference whatsoever. Make sure you hit and heal with enough stance though. Otherwise, you'll ruin the damage and crit bonuses for everybody.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by YellingCat View Post
      50 or 20 makes no difference whatsoever. Make sure you hit and heal with enough stance though. Otherwise, you'll ruin the damage and crit bonuses for everybody.
      LOL I'm non SO MUCH noob
      I think there's a significant different anyway.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by _=*B52*=_ View Post
        LOL I'm non SO MUCH noob
        I think there's a significant different anyway.
        Your right. The significance in deference is 30 stamina, when going from 20s to a 50s hit. Which is more then double and when going from 50 to a 20 stamina hit its less then half. Of course you may get a math wis in here that may be able to explain the difference better then I could!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SotS View Post
          Your right. The significance in deference is 30 stamina, when going from 20s to a 50s hit. Which is more then double and when going from 50 to a 20 stamina hit its less then half. Of course you may get a math wis in here that may be able to explain the difference better then I could!
          The math is, in my opinion:

          1)If you hit with 20 stamina button you'll have more chances to get a critical hit (because of more hits) but they will be lower than 50's one.
          2)When you strike critical hit with 50 stamina it will be like having x2,5 critical with a 20 stamina attack, so it's totally worth it attacking like that. It's enough 1-2 for regaining "lost" points of 20's attack.

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          • #6
            I can't wait for BaTW to explain this one to you guys. I'm firing up the popcorn now.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Da Wimsta View Post
              I can't wait for BaTW to explain this one to you guys. I'm firing up the popcorn now.
              LOL what part of math will he side in? 1 or 2? XDXD

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              • #8
                Originally posted by _=*B52*=_ View Post
                The math is, in my opinion:

                1)If you hit with 20 stamina button you'll have more chances to get a critical hit (because of more hits) but they will be lower than 50's one.
                2)When you strike critical hit with 50 stamina it will be like having x2,5 critical with a 20 stamina attack, so it's totally worth it attacking like that. It's enough 1-2 for regaining "lost" points of 20's attack.
                To me it's the same argument as say 10 stamina vs 20 stamina hit, or 100 stamina vs 200 stamina.
                Rule of numbers apply, more crits with 20 stam, assume that equates to more damage over time.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pereira325 View Post
                  To me it's the same argument as say 10 stamina vs 20 stamina hit, or 100 stamina vs 200 stamina.
                  Rule of numbers apply, more crits with 20 stam, assume that equates to more damage over time.
                  Don't think so. You do more critical hits, yeah, but with 50 stamina you'll regain what you lose from 20 stamina attacks when you do a critical. 50 stamina button also does more damage in comparison to the Stamina/Damage ratio.

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                  • #10
                    You should only ever use 200 stm buttons. Preferably with a multiplier general on. You're welcome.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pereira325 View Post
                      To me it's the same argument as say 10 stamina vs 20 stamina hit, or 100 stamina vs 200 stamina.
                      Rule of numbers apply, more crits with 20 stam, assume that equates to more damage over time.
                      It's not a higher average damage over time, I don't think - expected damage shouldn't change with more hits. It's a lower variance or something along those lines - more along the lines of summing two six-sided dice versus choosing a random number from 2-12. Instead of one large floor and two smaller high values (criticals), you get a more normal distribution.
                      Originally posted by _=*B52*=_ View Post
                      Don't think so. You do more critical hits, yeah, but with 50 stamina you'll regain what you lose from 20 stamina attacks when you do a critical. 50 stamina button also does more damage in comparison to the Stamina/Damage ratio.
                      As I understand it, the bolded statement isn't true.

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                      • #12
                        You should stop being such a selfish player and only hit with Balanced gens.
                        ~VoV~

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by _=*B52*=_ View Post
                          The math is, in my opinion:

                          1)If you hit with 20 stamina button you'll have more chances to get a critical hit (because of more hits) but they will be lower than 50's one.
                          2)When you strike critical hit with 50 stamina it will be like having x2,5 critical with a 20 stamina attack, so it's totally worth it attacking like that. It's enough 1-2 for regaining "lost" points of 20's attack.
                          You answered your own question. Other things being equal, it doesn't matter from an expected value basis of potential damage.

                          Suppose you have 100 stamina so you have two choices: (a) 5 hits at 20 stamina or (b) 2 hits at 50 stamina. As you stated, the 20 stamina hits gives you 2.5x more chances at critical hits but each critical hit is small. At 50 stamina hits, your critical hits are 2.5x greater but you have fewer chances at critical hits.

                          The actual results may be different, but we base our decision off the expectations and both choices will give the same expected damages.

                          Here is the math based on the following assumptions -- you have a 10% of critical hit and each critical hit does 2.5x damage. [A]

                          In choice (a) with 5 hits at 20 stamina, you have (0.9)*(20) + (0.1)*(20)*(2.5) which equals 18 + 5 or 23 "stamina" worth of damage per hit. You have 5 hits which results in 115 "stamina" worth of damage on an expected basis.

                          With choice (b) with 2 hits at 50 stamina, you have (0.9)*(50) + (0.1)*(50)*(2.5) or 45 + 12.5 or 57.5 "stamina" worth of damage per hit. You have 2 hits so you also have the same 115 "stamina" worth of damage on an expected basis.

                          Cheers

                          [A] CA does not come with a manual so the math is my best guess based on how I understand the game works.

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                          • #14
                            BaTW no matter what snark I throw your direction, I want you to know I appreciate your enthusiasm; you never let me down.

                            I would think the question of what attacks to make would be best framed as a matter of your damage target.

                            I actually agree with your math, which shouldn't be surprising to anyone, but thats another point altogether....
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                            • #15
                              Personally I only use the 20 stam, but I am only going to 15 mil damage. However, Barbarus is at the head of my MH alliance, so it's actually 60 stam. When I hit 11 mil damage Kaiser goes to the front for 20 stam hits till I get my damage. 5/5 on 1 rare per Vulgarisch. Eezy peezy till I get a full set of rares. THen, who knows...

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