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Official Arena VIII Discussion Thread

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  • Originally posted by Siy View Post

    [ATTACH]4210[/ATTACH]Twice in the last 7-8 hours I was hit by the same person in both Arena and Conquest Duel.
    What are the chances I would end up on both those lists? By different people at different times.
    100% with the magic of direct linking
    CA Maths, a must read for beginners, a bit outdated though

    Looking for a slow kill group?, not sure what to do once you're there?


    • This defensive win thing is easy to fix. I just found out a rank 1 hitting a rank 8 gives 70 points! A rank 1 should give 0 points to a rank 7 in the arena. You should have to be within 4 ranks or something to get points.
      Last edited by RiverRock; 12-24-2013, 06:37 AM.


      • Originally posted by RiverRock View Post
        This defensive win thing is easy to fix. I just found out a rank 1 hitting a rank 8 gives 70 points! A rank 1 should give 0 points to a rank 7 in the arena. You should have to be within 4 ranks or something to get points.
        Because this would be ever so difficult to accomplish. They would just create more alts for the alts. Fist full of fail.
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        • ..but they would have to rank up those alts. Then those alts would lose rank fast once they started bouncing off the main. It would make it a lot more work. Please explain the fist full of fail.


          • Originally posted by RiverRock View Post
            ..but they would have to rank up those alts. Then those alts would lose rank fast once they started bouncing off the main. It would make it a lot more work. Please explain the fist full of fail.
            Rank 4 is Gladiator. Bots will obviously be at least Gladiators, as that requires less than 3k points per day. If they use 3 tokens to win (and assume only 85 points for win) and 9 to lose (at 10 points each) every hour, they still end up +165 per hour, plenty to maintain Gladiator rank.

            Other ways to limit defensive win abuse:
            • Limit characters' ability to hit someone they lose every time, eg. can't hit for an hour after three consecutive losses
            • Lower points after each loss, eg. full points for two, half points for another two, quarter points for another two, zero points until daily ranking recalc & reset

            Both of these would just mean more alts needed, so don't work.

            The only real solution would be to make direct linking technically impossible (or computationally hard, which given time limit becomes technically impossible, if assuming a link specific hash valid for limited amount of time, eg. an hour). But given this problem has existed since the beginning and the devs have stated it's too hard to implement such a change, direct linking is here to stay. And given direct linking, there's no way to automatically limit effect of bots & defensive win abuse.

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            • alts

              Originally posted by AtlasHolt View Post
              I'm sad to say it but I feel the same way. It's a lost cause competing against non competitors.
              My biggest problem is the players using Alts to get defensive wins. That's basically a different form of stealing. Using mini's/Alts in place of refills.
              Yes true... alts can give you more poin and token... maybe cut the defensive win poin is new idea... so they have to make more alts


              • Ios

                Originally posted by AtlasHolt View Post
                It's true. I've been hitting the same EV's over and over again. The list only changed when ev was introduced. Other then that I've been hitting the same 10-15 players over and over.
                responding to wilsonhenry, I know in this we all have discussed the cheaters are most the IOS user... but please the cheater can be everyone not just IOS users... camping can be the IOS and web3 user... as per I know the IOS apps doesn't have revenge button to arena...

                And I don't know why cheater can be more cleverer since the crash between dev and third party if I am not false...

                The ruined arena is begin after the dev make new UI and make arena for getting money...

                Sorry if I am false... but the third party is clever I think they can me celesta slot and many gift back to us fb user



                • Originally posted by belial View Post
                  if i give up in arena is it frowned upon for me to lose to a guild mate to help them. i only joined recently and have no hope for good rewards
                  According to Tass from the last arena, this is considered Def Win abuse.
                  "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war"


                  • Originally posted by Goatherd View Post
                    I don't cheat, never have, and I have no alts, never will - but with all the allegations (not responded to by the the devs) of rampant cheating, well, this arena is just no fun anymore. I'll continue to play it as I am in it, but seriously doubt I'll spend a penny on it.
                    I don't see any indication that cheating is any worse in this arena than in the prior few

                    Originally posted by N3RO View Post
                    The ruined arena is begin after the dev make new UI and make arena for getting money...
                    Arena has always been a money making event for the devs. They would not do the extra work if it did not generate extra income. Ever since they switched from stamina to tokens they really increased the profit margin, then adding EV= $$$$


                    • Damn i keep on getting attacked by the same person over and over again.. i think he has attacked me more than 300 times.. i always see him in my news when i use web3 or FB.. i see him attacking 99 times.. i clear the news and and i open up after 6-7 hrs there he is again with 99 wins..i have cleared my news feed 3 times already and he still shows up with massive chaining.. I feel like i joined arena just to give him points..


                      • Yeah same happens to me and i do the same to others, dont want to but my arena feed is always the same people, gotta be more possible opponents than what i am seeing


                        • Arena should only be a week. This is way too long. If the Devs want to expand player base they have to make this game less time consuming and more strategic. That will bring in more money for sure.


                          • Devs end the arena on Friday please. We're all tired and bored of the arena already


                            • Originally posted by Moon Rusher View Post
                              Devs end the arena on Friday please. We're all tired and bored of the arena already
                              That would be awesome. I for one don't want my new year being ruined by arena.


                              • I'm really enjoying Arena and wouldn't mind if it were four months rather than four weeks. Seriously. The perks (extra exp, interesting pvp, monster damage bonus, essence trading bonus) make my fur sparkle; as for the stress, as it's not compulsory I opted out of it.
                                Last edited by YellingCat; 12-25-2013, 02:31 AM.