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  • Impact on Questing of Elite Guard

    I'm currently doing subquests in Mist II, and these cost about 65 energy per click.

    Influence does not vary, it is a base 5% per click. With Elite Guard influence was 6% per click and with [email protected] I could do a subquest in 15 clicks, or 975 energy.

    Now with only Sano and no elite guard I do each subquest in 19 clicks, or 1235 energy.

    That is a huge increase of 26.67%!!!!!!!!!!!

    rage rage rage rage

    I think the devs either have their heads stuck up their behinds when they quickly and without warning make a major change like this on the fly (thinking perhaps that it is a MINOR change that won't affect too many people)

    -OR-

    the devs are on a CALCULATED effort to increase energy and stamina costs for all players across the board to increase the need for refills to maintain level of play.

    27% increase in my questing costs means I barely make 3 subquests per level and my average sp per level decreases from around 11 to around 9 and really screws with my levelling speed in the long run.

  • #2
    I think that you hit the nail right on the head with your "or" statement. I am all ready starting to see fallout from this last change, most I have seen are NOT happy about it. To me they just made it harder for the new players, lower levels and the ones that do NOT use a credit card.

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    • #3
      if any devs read this,

      you can make it all better, keep your elite guard removed, by doubling Sano's influence bonuses.

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      • #4
        I'm sure I can stimulate discussion about it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dances with wolves View Post
          if any devs read this,

          you can make it all better, keep your elite guard removed, by doubling Sano's influence bonuses.
          That doesn't help out lower energy players now that you can't swap generals when your energy is above your stat ceiling (refill with Hyacinth and quest with Sano)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dances with wolves View Post
            if any devs read this,

            you can make it all better, keep your elite guard removed, by doubling Sano's influence bonuses.
            Alright. Before you delete this one DoR, let me atleast explain how this would be a bad thing and not enough to recover the problem of loosing 20.0%

            Right now we have tons of Generals/Crystals/ETC. We like to level them. Well, with EG Bonus, it wasn't to bad to tell Sano "No", and let go one rare % and use the General of choice to quest.

            Now, while your request has merit and most likely doable by Padaxan and crew, it now means you can't quest with other Generals without losing out on so much trying to level the others. All those clicks lost now being stacked on a General and not being passive?

            I'll stop a response like "Well personal choice, yata yata", with a simple ... Wait until you get Sano to 50 and want to level something else. You will notice this same dip you are talking about in XP lost as leveling a General for the majority we use both Stamina and Energy. Then another thread will appear when you/they realize.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by dances with wolves View Post
              if any devs read this,

              you can make it all better, keep your elite guard removed, by doubling Sano's influence bonuses.
              I think I will never use Sano again because I level my generals by questing so this would be a bad deal for me and a lot of other players.

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              • #8
                Devil's advocate.

                I use stam to level my generals, I've not seen my MH general in months. Nonetheless, it didn't stop all that focus on Kang and crit-general alliances. It may mean a choice, 's all.

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                • #9
                  Probably thought to be a minor change. Some quests rely upon having an elite guard. Not having anyone in your elite guard causes a loss condition which probably affects the drop rate of of units and/or items. Cartigan might be impossible to get without a fix.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Iswald View Post
                    Probably thought to be a minor change. Some quests rely upon having an elite guard. Not having anyone in your elite guard causes a loss condition which probably affects the drop rate of of units and/or items. Cartigan might be impossible to get without a fix.
                    I spoke of this to them already ... mainly about this General with this change. Now I just wait for an official response if he/items will change also.
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                    • #11
                      I need help. My Elite Guard list appears to be broken. Is this a bug today? It was working yesterday.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pequapower View Post
                        I need help. My Elite Guard list appears to be broken. Is this a bug today? It was working yesterday.
                        The Devs are eliminating elite guard

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                        • #13
                          Dances: A 20% increase is a 20% increase. Level 5 sano+sano is quests at 1.272; just level 5 sano is quests at 1.06.

                          Here's my post from the main thread to clarify further, organization somewhat lacking. The key row is 80 normal clicks, as most subquests require this for level 4 influence currently. (sorry DoR for putting this here too, but it is more relevant here).

                          Here's the Effect of the questing loss from the elite guard. Don't know if this is an FYI or just my way of asking for the 20% quest rate bonus to be baked in.

                          Whoever said earlier the loss in quest influence bonus was minor is wrong. I have Sano at level 5, so yesterday it was taking me 63 clicks to get from level 0 to level 4 influence on most subquests. Today it is taking 76. While that is still better than 80, a loss of a 20% bonus is still a 20% increase in the number of clicks and amount of energy needed to complete quests. This bonus was the only reason I had an elite guard.

                          Code:
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                          Number of clicks needed to complete quests.			
                          Conversion from Q completion to Elite Guard to EG and Sano					
                          Norm	EG	SANO	EG+SANO	SANO6%	EG+S6%	SANO7%	EG+S7%
                          1	0.833	0.952	0.794	0.943	0.786	0.935	0.779
                          2	1.667	1.905	1.587	1.887	1.572	1.869	1.558
                          3	2.500	2.857	2.381	2.830	2.358	2.804	2.336
                          4	3.333	3.810	3.175	3.774	3.145	3.738	3.115
                          5	4.167	4.762	3.968	4.717	3.931	4.673	3.894
                          6	5.000	5.714	4.762	5.660	4.717	5.607	4.673
                          7	5.833	6.667	5.556	6.604	5.503	6.542	5.452
                          8	6.667	7.619	6.349	7.547	6.289	7.477	6.231
                          9	7.500	8.571	7.143	8.491	7.075	8.411	7.009
                          10	8.333	9.524	7.937	9.434	7.862	9.346	7.788
                          11	9.167	10.476	8.730	10.377	8.648	10.280	8.567
                          12	10.000	11.429	9.524	11.321	9.434	11.215	9.346
                          13	10.833	12.381	10.317	12.264	10.220	12.150	10.125
                          14	11.667	13.333	11.111	13.208	11.006	13.084	10.903
                          15	12.500	14.286	11.905	14.151	11.792	14.019	11.682
                          16	13.333	15.238	12.698	15.094	12.579	14.953	12.461
                          17	14.167	16.190	13.492	16.038	13.365	15.888	13.240
                          18	15.000	17.143	14.286	16.981	14.151	16.822	14.019
                          19	15.833	18.095	15.079	17.925	14.937	17.757	14.798
                          20	16.667	19.048	15.873	18.868	15.723	18.692	15.576
                          21	17.500	20.000	16.667	19.811	16.509	19.626	16.355
                          22	18.333	20.952	17.460	20.755	17.296	20.561	17.134
                          23	19.167	21.905	18.254	21.698	18.082	21.495	17.913
                          24	20.000	22.857	19.048	22.642	18.868	22.430	18.692
                          25	20.833	23.810	19.841	23.585	19.654	23.364	19.470
                          26	21.667	24.762	20.635	24.528	20.440	24.299	20.249
                          27	22.500	25.714	21.429	25.472	21.226	25.234	21.028
                          28	23.333	26.667	22.222	26.415	22.013	26.168	21.807
                          29	24.167	27.619	23.016	27.358	22.799	27.103	22.586
                          30	25.000	28.571	23.810	28.302	23.585	28.037	23.364
                          32	26.667	30.476	25.397	30.189	25.157	29.907	24.922
                          34	28.333	32.381	26.984	32.075	26.730	31.776	26.480
                          36	30.000	34.286	28.571	33.962	28.302	33.645	28.037
                          38	31.667	36.190	30.159	35.849	29.874	35.514	29.595
                          40	33.333	38.095	31.746	37.736	31.447	37.383	31.153
                          44	36.667	41.905	34.921	41.509	34.591	41.121	34.268
                          48	40.000	45.714	38.095	45.283	37.736	44.860	37.383
                          52	43.333	49.524	41.270	49.057	40.881	48.598	40.498
                          56	46.667	53.333	44.444	52.830	44.025	52.336	43.614
                          60	50.000	57.143	47.619	56.604	47.170	56.075	46.729
                          64	53.333	60.952	50.794	60.377	50.314	59.813	49.844
                          68	56.667	64.762	53.968	64.151	53.459	63.551	52.960
                          72	60.000	68.571	57.143	67.925	56.604	67.290	56.075
                          76	63.333	72.381	60.317	71.698	59.748	71.028	59.190
                          80	66.667	76.190	63.492	75.472	62.893	74.766	62.305
                          84	70.000	80.000	66.667	79.245	66.038	78.505	65.421
                          88	73.333	83.810	69.841	83.019	69.182	82.243	68.536
                          92	76.667	87.619	73.016	86.792	72.327	85.981	71.651
                          96	80.000	91.429	76.190	90.566	75.472	89.720	74.766
                          100	83.333	95.238	79.365	94.340	78.616	93.458	77.882
                          104	86.667	99.048	82.540	98.113	81.761	97.196	80.997
                          108	90.000	102.857	85.714	101.887	84.906	100.935	84.112
                          112	93.333	106.667	88.889	105.660	88.050	104.673	87.227
                          116	96.667	110.476	92.063	109.434	91.195	108.411	90.343
                          120	100.000	114.286	95.238	113.208	94.340	112.150	93.458
                          124	103.333	118.095	98.413	116.981	97.484	115.888	96.573
                          128	106.667	121.905	101.587	120.755	100.629	119.626	99.688
                          132	110.000	125.714	104.762	124.528	103.774	123.364	102.804
                          136	113.333	129.524	107.937	128.302	106.918	127.103	105.919
                          Last edited by thexbob; 05-17-2013, 10:37 PM.
                          Math Ninja ~VoV~ C A G T
                          Just. Keep. Clicking...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ☾جٌṡἅṋḭẗḕḕ☽ View Post

                            Right now we have tons of Generals/Crystals/ETC. We like to level them. Well, with EG Bonus, it wasn't to bad to tell Sano "No", and let go one rare % and use the General of choice to quest.

                            Now, while your request has merit and most likely doable by Padaxan and crew, it now means you can't quest with other Generals without losing out on so much trying to level the others. All those clicks lost now being stacked on a General and not being passive?
                            Originally posted by Mandred Torgridson View Post
                            I think I will never use Sano again because I level my generals by questing so this would be a bad deal for me and a lot of other players.
                            These posts are very important. I agree that tweaking sano or a new bonus general doesn't fix this issue properly.

                            If the 20% bonus isn't going to be baked in, my personal preference is just a slew of new (cheaper?) quests. (Yes, more quests and more influence levels is the solution to most my CA problems; EG gone doesn't change that.)
                            Last edited by thexbob; 05-17-2013, 10:36 PM.
                            Math Ninja ~VoV~ C A G T
                            Just. Keep. Clicking...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by thexbob View Post
                              If the 20% bonus isn't going to be baked in, my personal preference is just a slew of new (cheaper?) quests. (Yes, more quests and more influence levels is the solution to most my CA problems; EG gone doesn't change that.)
                              Or better: make all existing quests cheaper, cause this change is a big disadvantage for new players.

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