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  • Originally posted by Lord Reaper View Post
    This right here is a big part of the problem this game has. Since I have been playing the game, which has been for over 2 years, I have not once seen a dev actively discuss with us options for fixing problems with this game. In most cases there even was no feedback on suggestions or questions regarding possible problems.

    While I think it is nice that we got Flarin to read the forums and give us some answers I was also rather disappointed that they didn't choose to hire some actual developers so that the devs themselves could have more time to actually communicate with us. While so far I have seen Flarin to be a nice guy I doubt he has any development experience or has in dept knowledge of the inner workings of the game. All he can really do is relay things he sees here, like Padaxan, which the devs are likely to ignore if they don't feel like listening to it (which seems to be 99% of the time).

    Like Pistol says, quite a few people here are coming up with (half) solutions to (major) problems. Heck the suggestion section is full with ideas that are at least halfway decent! If the devs could be bothered to actually talk with us instead of acting so high and mighty, by ignoring us and/or sending a third person to take the bullet for them, they could be getting the information they need to solve quite a few problems INCLUDING the alt situation.

    Please don't get me wrong on this, I am in no way suggesting that the devs should come on here and start implementing all that we tell them to. I'm saying that if they were come here themselves, listen to our input on problems and combine that with their knowledge of how CA actually works, they could use that info to come up with solid solutions and make this whole game a better place.

    To me the fact that they keep sending a third person to do the listening only shows that they really don't care and are only trying to sooth the masses so they won't have to be bothered with actually fixing things.
    Devs have many times engaged in discussions with us, on these forums. But they can't be here all the time, they have to take care of the game too.

    Yes, I'm one of the few who thinks they are doing a good job. Even with all the cheating that's going on.
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    • Originally posted by Goatherd View Post
      Just having the 3rd persons (paid, no doubt) means they do care, albeit somewhat.

      Certainly if they would just stop implementing 'new' stuff and fix, at least, some of the problems identified over and over again - that would help!

      Moar in-game Help, too. (For the new players).

      Rumor has it the devs take the weekends off - anyway, Happy Father's Day!!
      That new stuff is the second part of the issue. They have their priorities wrong. But that is partly due to mistakes they made when developing this game that have now come to bite them in the backside. I am very thankful that I am not one of the devs just for that reason alone.

      Right now I think they care more about keeping the few people that still pay than anything else. After all, without getting paid there is no game. And I honestly believe that the third person is intended to create the illusion that they are listening so that later on they can say "we checked into it but decided not to change it".

      As long as you give people the impression that they are heard they won't revolt. And as long as we don't revolt they can keep doing what they want to do.

      Originally posted by zserg View Post
      Devs have many times engaged in discussions with us, on these forums. But they can't be here all the time, they have to take care of the game too.
      And this right here is the exact reason why I am disappointed that the didn't hire more actual developers. If you have more developers you CAN be here more often, and you DO have time to actually work with your players to resolve things.

      You may feel they do a good job but can you name three instances within the last year where they proactively came on here, discussed an ongoing situation or asked suggestions for new game features and actually listened to what we had to say?

      Keep in mind that by proactive I don't mean coming here posting something after something went horribly wrong with an update they did and there have been a thousand threads about said screw up. I mean threads where they actually asked us how we experienced things, if we had encountered any problems they might have noticed and offer any fixes for those problems other than "use the report link" or "this will be fixed in the future".

      Also know that by "they" I do NOT mean Padaxan or Flarin. I mean the actual devs. The ones that created this game. You know, those people who we only see when something goes horribly wrong after which they are very quick to blame either facebook or their service provider? You remember them right?
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      • Originally posted by Mawardi Hashary View Post
        1. so, its CAI 3? do you hold any proof about this alts/cheat ? any SS ?
        2. i never offer your keep link to any CAI group, as many others here can see your keep link obviously from your own post. (please correct me if i misunderstood here)
        PM me please

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        • Originally posted by Lord Reaper View Post


          And this right here is the exact reason why I am disappointed that the didn't hire more actual developers. If you have more developers you CAN be here more often, and you DO have time to actually work with your players to resolve things.
          maybe they have hired more devs.

          I don't look at stuff like that, I look at how the game is evolving and at what pace. For CA I'm happy, HoD could use more attention though.
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          • Originally posted by Lord Reaper View Post
            That new stuff is the second part of the issue. They have their priorities wrong. But that is partly due to mistakes they made when developing this game that have now come to bite them in the backside. I am very thankful that I am not one of the devs just for that reason alone.

            Right now I think they care more about keeping the few people that still pay than anything else. After all, without getting paid there is no game. And I honestly believe that the third person is intended to create the illusion that they are listening so that later on they can say "we checked into it but decided not to change it".

            As long as you give people the impression that they are heard they won't revolt. And as long as we don't revolt they can keep doing what they want to do.



            And this right here is the exact reason why I am disappointed that the didn't hire more actual developers. If you have more developers you CAN be here more often, and you DO have time to actually work with your players to resolve things.

            You may feel they do a good job but can you name three instances within the last year where they proactively came on here, discussed an ongoing situation or asked suggestions for new game features and actually listened to what we had to say?

            Keep in mind that by proactive I don't mean coming here posting something after something went horribly wrong with an update they did and there have been a thousand threads about said screw up. I mean threads where they actually asked us how we experienced things, if we had encountered any problems they might have noticed and offer any fixes for those problems other than "use the report link" or "this will be fixed in the future".

            Also know that by "they" I do NOT mean Padaxan or Flarin. I mean the actual devs. The ones that created this game. You know, those people who we only see when something goes horribly wrong after which they are very quick to blame either facebook or their service provider? You remember them right?
            so you want them to hire more people to do what THEY do so that THEY can come here and wade through millions and millions of posts, and talk and play and spam with us? Some people don't even like it when a frickin MOD does that. I cant count the times I have been chastised for having the nerve to have an opinion of the game. You want them to do it? What about when someone says things they dont like? Or goes off topic? Or insults someone? Would that premise hold true if they also deleted posts and infracted peeps?

            Why not simply hire someone who they talk with every day who knows what the goals of the company are and can weed through the chaff and present the good ideas for consideration?

            Oh. Wait...
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            • Originally posted by SDHawk View Post

              Oh. Wait...
              Noted.

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              • Originally posted by zserg View Post
                maybe they have hired more devs.

                I don't look at stuff like that, I look at how the game is evolving and at what pace. For CA I'm happy, HoD could use more attention though.
                The bolded part... proof that they did NOT hire more developers. Think about it before you ask why though.

                Originally posted by SDHawk View Post
                so you want them to hire more people to do what THEY do so that THEY can come here and wade through millions and millions of posts, and talk and play and spam with us? Some people don't even like it when a frickin MOD does that. I cant count the times I have been chastised for having the nerve to have an opinion of the game. You want them to do it? What about when someone says things they dont like? Or goes off topic? Or insults someone? Would that premise hold true if they also deleted posts and infracted peeps?
                No. I don't expect them to come on here and go through millions of posts. But what I do expect is for them to ask how we experience recent additions to the game. Where we feel problems with said additions. Or to bring up when something MIGHT go wrong due to things such as updates. Or to enter a discussion about a good idea.

                It doesn't take millions of topics and also not every single discussion to be a presence, to be involved, and to consider input form your customers/players.

                Originally posted by SDHawk View Post
                Why not simply hire someone who they talk with every day who knows what the goals of the company are and can weed through the chaff and present the good ideas for consideration?

                Oh. Wait...
                I fully agree with you up to a certain point. Yes... a third person could weed through the posts and report on good ideas. But that doesn't mean anything if you:

                a) have a third person who is unable to tell WHAT a good idea is and what isn't.
                b) have a third person who can't consider technical details on why something might and might not work.
                c) if you are going to ignore what said third person says anyway.

                If they were using a third person to present them with the discussions that are of interest so they could read and participate this whole idea would work wonders. But mark my words, THAT is not going to happen in this case and we will not see ANY of the required changes unless they are actually game breaking.
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                • Originally posted by Lord Reaper View Post
                  The bolded part... proof that they did NOT hire more developers. Think about it before you ask why though.
                  Actually it's proof that they didn't hire devs for HoD, heck it's not even that, because they might launch a massive update for HoD tomorrow and surprise us.
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                  • Originally posted by Lord Reaper View Post
                    But that doesn't mean anything if you:

                    a) have a third person who is unable to tell WHAT a good idea is and what isn't.
                    b) have a third person who can't consider technical details on why something might and might not work.
                    c) if you are going to ignore what said third person says anyway.

                    If they were using a third person to present them with the discussions that are of interest so they could read and participate this whole idea would work wonders. But mark my words, THAT is not going to happen in this case and we will not see ANY of the required changes unless they are actually game breaking.
                    And you think Flarin is this fall guy? I believe you are underestimating Flarin and the devs. I just have to wait and see, then I'll put my 2 cents. And I assume, you think you are better than them?

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                    • Originally posted by vicarius View Post
                      And you think Flarin is this fall guy? I believe you are underestimating Flarin and the devs. I just have to wait and see, then I'll put my 2 cents.
                      I believe that Flarin was hired to give the impression that they are listening so that there would be less complaining from us. If this is true is something that time will have to prove but this is how has turned out to be with Padaxan. Game breaking stuff (that they would have fixed anyway) is apparently fixed by them and everything else remains a big maybe.

                      And don't get me wrong though. I am sure that Flarin will do what he can. And from what I saw he's a really nice guy. It's not him I doubt. Just so we are clear on that one.

                      Originally posted by vicarius View Post
                      And I assume, you think you are better than them?
                      No. I don't think I'm better than them. I KNOW I am better than them. Heck half the fellow developers I know are better than them.

                      I know that the average player doesn't see all the flaws with what the devs release but the average developer will often scratch his head and go "why on earth did they do THIS?"

                      Originally posted by vicarius View Post
                      Off topic: Can you PM me the game you are developing?
                      I can. Once I have enough to show to the public. For now development seems to have slowed down for, hopefully, a little while. Life stinks.
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