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  • halycon and Xira

    At the risk of earning noob points

    Does any body know if the stat swap is done before or after the *.7 is done?
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  • #2
    ... i don't get it.. before or after the *0.7 is done?

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    • #3
      I'll take your noob points, and raise you one, lol....and I have been playing since summer '09! I just got Halycon and was crunchng the numbers myself.

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      • #4
        so you mean does it take x amount from your eff def or att

        or just x amount from your standard att/def?


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        • #5
          Originally posted by hane View Post
          ... i don't get it.. before or after the *0.7 is done?
          example Xira takes 25% off defense and adds to attack.

          So you have assuming a defense of 1k .25*1k or .25 *700
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          • #6
            it takes raw value of your def, then transfer 25% of it to attack (xira)
            vice versa for halcyon.

            i have 880 def.
            - 880 x 0.25 = 220
            - keep link here shows: 880 def -220
            - X attack +220

            p.s.: my stats is busted, yah yah i'm a cannon ~_~
            Last edited by hane; 04-02-2011, 03:21 PM. Reason: bohoho

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            • #7
              I think I said it backwards from what I meant ( not enough coffee yet)

              Does the .7 happen before or after the swap is what I was wondering.

              I assume after but just wondering if that really is the case.
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              • #8
                I believe it is before.

                I've been considering going discontinuing my "even build" style in favor of a more defensive build once I reach 1000 in each since I own Xira.
                I don't always summon monsters, but when I do, I prefer to use Stone Guardian... Slay hydras my friends.

                Remove me? Chain me for easy Rank 10 War Points.

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                • #9
                  I think it's after. As Hane said, it's transferring raw stat on your Keep page; and then the .7 is calculated when you hit or are hit, as though that was your raw/regular stat. Same with Corv/Aurora; they add to your raw stat based on your Health stat, and as your health goes down, so does what they're adding to your base stat. I think the .7 calculation only happens when you actually 'make use' of the given stat, by attacking or defending.
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                  • #10
                    You have to do the math yourself, as it takes the pure raw number of points from one and places it with the other, and calculates the .7 after.

                    Unabridged versions of formulas for calculating power:

                    Xira =rounddown(((Def - (Def * .25)) * .70) + (ATK + (DEF *.25)))

                    Halcyon =rounddown(((ATK - (ATK * .25)) * .70) + (DEF + (ATK *.25)))
                    Last edited by Defyeler; 04-02-2011, 04:06 PM.

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                    • #11
                      you mean like in total attack strength formula (100% atk + 70% def thing) ?

                      i've been led to believe all this time, that it applies after the switch.
                      assuming 2000 attack, 1000 def base stats, then:
                      end stats -> 2000 + 250 attack, 1000 - 250 def -> 2250 attack, 750 def.
                      estimated attack power if the above is true: 2250+(750 *0.7) = 2775

                      base attack power (without xira) = 2000 +(1000*0.7) = 2700
                      hmm, not looking very impressive.

                      scenario b:
                      [2000 attack (+250) ] + [ (1000 def *0.7) - 250 ]
                      2250 + (700 - 250)
                      2250 + 450 = 2700 attack power.
                      ^ the above don't look very correct. it don't explain why i could pierce targets i normally bounce in guild battles, but able to pierce them np after switching to xira.

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                      • #12
                        I don't know if it true but all these while, what I assume is:
                        modified att = att+(def*0.25)+(def*0.70)

                        e.g. modified att = 2000+((1000*0.25)*0.7)+(1000*0.7) = 2875.

                        Guess I'm wrong then.
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                        • #13
                          How do I get these generals. Don't see them in my general page or either of the two chests I can see??? Thanks! XD

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                          • #14
                            You can shorten the formula to calculate the effective bonus in PvP from Halycon or Xira to 7.5%(attack) or 7.5%(defense). Ie, if you have 1500 attack, Halycon effectively gives you 7.5%(1500) defense, which is 112.5. The penalty is the same amount.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Trev Olliver View Post
                              How do I get these generals. Don't see them in my general page or either of the two chests I can see??? Thanks! XD
                              Oblivion chest; epic and rare generals.

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