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Would more Generals obtained through gameplay make you play a more well-rounded game?

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  • ExitCo99
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    I am all about generals. Free or favor points. They are pokemon to me. Gotta catch them all... Even if they have no abilities and are 1 attack, 1 defense, I would be excited to get that.

    I will follow the generals wherever they may be. If I have to be a PvP to get a general, I will work on that. If I have to rock at "War" I will work on that. If I have to kill a ton of Azriel's and Alpha's I will do that. If I have to become a chainer to get one, I will. I even begged a friend to play for the sole purpose of getting Darius.

    Now if only Serene would fall on my lap and Memnon would magically reappear somewhere in this game.
    Last edited by ExitCo99; 06-07-2010, 08:13 AM.

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  • solkyro
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    Originally posted by The Reaper View Post
    Pretty much it. There's a small group of 3-4 people it seems that troll the forums, ready to derail every suggestion they dislike.
    every suggestion can be good, bad or idiotic

    which would be your poison ?

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  • The Reaper
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    Originally posted by Hestis View Post
    And I think that's part of the point the op is trying to make trying to make. Asking if more things like that would make you change how you play. It's just that the one suggestion got blown up to make it seem like the whole point of his post by the people that didn't agree with it.
    Pretty much it. There's a small group of 3-4 people it seems that troll the forums, ready to derail every suggestion they dislike.

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  • The Reaper
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    Originally posted by Treff1975 View Post
    tells you a little something when one whole person out of the entire forum "gets it" doesn't it?
    Well, I "got it", too, but then again I paid attention to what he was actually saying.

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  • Hestis
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    Originally posted by isaluteyou View Post
    I like the general idea of more generals through alchemy though but not ones that are epics or as good as epics though.
    And I think that's part of the point the op is trying to make trying to make. Asking if more things like that would make you change how you play. It's just that the one suggestion got blown up to make it seem like the whole point of his post by the people that didn't agree with it.
    Last edited by Hestis; 06-07-2010, 03:34 AM. Reason: Can't spell...

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  • isaluteyou
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    Aint ever happening for the simple fact of money. CC nutters or just those like me willing to support the game every now might roll for an epic here and there. This is money in the devs pocket. Mans gotta eat. Perfectly fine by me.

    Now think about it logically. How would you feel if you spent a pretty penny or lots of time farming fp to gain an epic when oof you can get one just by completing an achievement.

    Actually theres a perfectly good incentive already to get the epics

    1 - open wallet and pray for luck
    2 - farm fp for a while. get xp & Loot in process. use fp collected roll chest pray

    choice your poison. One costs real cash the other takes a whopping long time but on the flip side you get shed loads of xp in the process.

    sounds reasonable to me

    I like the general idea of more generals through alchemy though but not ones that are epics or as good as epics though.
    Last edited by isaluteyou; 06-07-2010, 12:51 AM.

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  • Hestis
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    Originally posted by Treff1975 View Post
    actually, the way this usually goes is that if someone thinks its a good idea, the thread grows by about 2-3 pages a day with people commenting on how great it would be if tweaked this way or that way.. and since there were already two or three shooting it down, the rest ignored the temptation to blast it further. So by lack of positive support, negative feelings or indifference can safely be assumed

    and yes basing my reply on me having them all done was very valid..for two very good reasons..#1 he directly asked me how many I had done and #2 it proved a willingness, by a very average player at best, to want to finish all the paths WITHOUT the incentive of generals, thereby completely debunking the notion that a General at the end would be necessary to enhance the need for completing the Demi paths

    in the end, it still boils down to either laziness, greed, or both
    Saying you can assume your side is right based on a lack of response is completely ridiculous. I could just as easily make the argument that when someone posts a bad idea the thread usually gets bombarded with people telling them how stupid they are, how they should go play another game, etc... Even the people that replied that they had finished demis didn't say anything negative about the idea itself. So by your logic, the lack of that happening would indicate that there is a lack of negativity to this idea.

    And my point was not that your answering his question was wrong, but that the circumstances to achieve that end are completely different. Take someone that has been playing for awhile. Where did their energy go before two bar monsters appeared? Strictly into quests. Now players have multiple options for where to spend their energy. Not once did I, or the OP say it was necessary to put a demi general as incentive for someone to complete them. I've already said I didn't think that was a good idea, and he merely asked if something like that was done, would you change the way you play?

    Case in point; If it weren't for something as simple as ranks, which grant no rewards, I wouldn't have touched PVP. I could care less about it. I understand why people find it fun, but it's not necessary for me to enjoy the game. But I kind of liked the idea of the ranks, and battle points (as opposed to say MW, where there's no reason to PVP at all). If it weren't for Chase I wouldn't have bothered with Raids, and if it weren't for Medius I wouldn't bother with the elementals past getting the one or two items for dueling. But now, unless I have a general to level up, my energy goes to the blue bar of those monsters instead of quests. So each one of those incentives changed the way I needed to allocate skill points and spend my time in the game.

    I enjoy collecting the generals. And while I don't mind spending some occasional money to support what I feel is far and away the best game of it's type, I will never put down money on a constant basis just for the chance to get one. I'll earn my fp's in game, and use them on sure things. I've gotten all the non fp generals except for Medius and Serene. And you can be sure that if another one is offered as a reward for a monster, quest, whatever, I'll alter my playstyle to go after that.

    I don't even get why you think it would make the game easier. First of all, it's been proven that player stats affect outcomes more than the stats of a general. So by your reasoning, your completing all the demi quests for the skill points was done for greed and/or laziness, since they are pretty "easy" and give more of a benefit in skill points. Second, there's nothing easier than getting a new general. Want a general? Plop down some money, purchase general with favor points. Doesn't get much easier than that. Third, there's nothing "hard" about this game. There will never be anything "hard" about this game. You point and click a mouse. The only measuring stick is how much time it takes you to reach a goal, be that bsi, a piece of equipment, a rank, whatever. And if there's one thing this game does not lack, it's content, and the creation of new content. Reach a goal? Pick a new one. There's plenty to do. Offering another incentive or two is hardly going to change that.

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  • phi618
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    I think having a general or two as an achievement reward would be cool. There are a few generals you can get through random game stuff (Keira, Chase, Leon Ironhart, etc.), which is cool. It would be great if they continued this once in awhile.

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  • Treff1975
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    Originally posted by Hestis View Post
    As opposed to the two or three people out of the entire forum that are disagreeing with him?

    While you choose to focus on one specific suggestion, his original question is pretty valid. Would generals as rewards for certain aspects of the game make people who are focused on one aspect start to lean towards a more hybrid play style?

    Now gaining the demis for completing their quests may not be realistic (and I don't think that's a good idea either), but neither is basing that on your reply of when you had them completed. A player that is just starting now has far more to do with their energy than just completing quests. A monster hunter or pvp build that only put 120 into energy, and has to use that on blue bars would take a fair amount of time to finish all quests to 4, thus not making that demi such an "easy" reward after all.
    actually, the way this usually goes is that if someone thinks its a good idea, the thread grows by about 2-3 pages a day with people commenting on how great it would be if tweaked this way or that way.. and since there were already two or three shooting it down, the rest ignored the temptation to blast it further. So by lack of positive support, negative feelings or indifference can safely be assumed

    and yes basing my reply on me having them all done was very valid..for two very good reasons..#1 he directly asked me how many I had done and #2 it proved a willingness, by a very average player at best, to want to finish all the paths WITHOUT the incentive of generals, thereby completely debunking the notion that a General at the end would be necessary to enhance the need for completing the Demi paths

    in the end, it still boils down to either laziness, greed, or both

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  • Hestis
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    Originally posted by Treff1975 View Post
    tells you a little something when one whole person out of the entire forum "gets it" doesn't it?
    As opposed to the two or three people out of the entire forum that are disagreeing with him?

    While you choose to focus on one specific suggestion, his original question is pretty valid. Would generals as rewards for certain aspects of the game make people who are focused on one aspect start to lean towards a more hybrid play style?

    Now gaining the demis for completing their quests may not be realistic (and I don't think that's a good idea either), but neither is basing that on your reply of when you had them completed. A player that is just starting now has far more to do with their energy than just completing quests. A monster hunter or pvp build that only put 120 into energy, and has to use that on blue bars would take a fair amount of time to finish all quests to 4, thus not making that demi such an "easy" reward after all.

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  • Defyeler
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    Originally posted by Mult McMult View Post
    its not about making it easy at all, and I'm not suggesting that tons of free Generals is a good thing at all. How many of the quests and subquests have you COMPLETELY finished for each of the Demis? If you got the Demi as a general, how many do you think you would have done? I did enough of them to get my lv4 achievement, and there is no incentive to now go back

    I am a Barron and at some point will get to High King. I probably would have pushed harder in the PvP to level up in rank in there was a General waiting for me at the end, which isn't quick to get to. As it is now, I'll go back to it at somepoint, but I'll detour to War a for a bit.

    etc...
    I finished all the demis. And will continue on any try to finish every single quest available. Best incentive in the game is Skill Points IMHO. It is the only thing that you can get that is limited, and actually impacts gameplay for every aspect of this game. Even War to a degree, at least for me it almost guarantees 5 points during the battle.

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  • Treff1975
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    Originally posted by Mult McMult View Post
    ^^^
    gets it
    tells you a little something when one whole person out of the entire forum "gets it" doesn't it?

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  • TanithTT
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    How about if those generals became purchasable once you reach HK/complete all demi-quests in a path to 400%, but at a ridiculously high purchase and upkeep cost ($100,000,000,000, $100,000,000/hour upkeep for example)?

    At L26x with lands maxed out it would take about 9-10 days (depending on total upkeep) to buy, money that could have been spent on other things (battle/war rank gear/units, obsidian gear, seraphim, saved for next set of lands)

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  • Mult McMult
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    Originally posted by JinnTolser View Post
    I got hit by the raid glitch on the very raid that would have gotten me enough Battle Hearts to get Chase anyway. So I was able to make all the other BH items and then make a few more Invulnerability spells to save myself the gold of buying a few more Royal Seals. And like you, I haven't touched raids since because there's no point.



    I plan to reach High King eventually, but I might hurry a little faster if there was a general as a reward instead of/in addition to High King's Crowns, which I really don't care about getting.

    If the demi-powers were given as generals when you got all their quests and subquests to 400%, I would be on the verge of getting Ambrosia, and not far behind for Malekus, Corvintheus, and Azeron. I think this would have been cool, and preferable to having 4 of them be treasure chest generals. I have long thought there need to be a couple generals on par with the epics from the treasure chests that can be obtained some other way, for those of us with horrible luck with the chests.
    Pretty sure all the people who gambled on chests and got one of the demis would be hella pissed if they did that though.

    I like that there are generals you can obtain as rewards for things in the game, like through alchemy recipes or what have you, and I'd like to see more.

    In particular, I think Castle Age is missing a staple of RPG characters: a general that joins you after you defeat them. It could be argued that Keira works this way, but with the horrible drop rate of the items for her alchemy recipe, and the fact that there are people out there who have been trying to get her since last October and still haven't been able to, I say she doesn't count. How about somebody that you summon for a 1-on-1 battle, who joins you as a general if you can defeat them? I think it'd be cool.
    ^^^
    gets it

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  • JinnTolser
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    Originally posted by Mult McMult View Post
    Chase was a great idea, but since I've gotten him (with a few hearts left over for Deadly Strike and Invulnerability) I haven't been back to another Raid. Maybe someday (if they stop releasing new things to do) to get the Tempered Steel but I don't really care that much about it.
    I got hit by the raid glitch on the very raid that would have gotten me enough Battle Hearts to get Chase anyway. So I was able to make all the other BH items and then make a few more Invulnerability spells to save myself the gold of buying a few more Royal Seals. And like you, I haven't touched raids since because there's no point.

    What if a General was given as an additional bonus for reaching High King? What if the Demis were given as Generals when you finished all their demiquests and subquests? Maybe even one for killing 10 or 50 or 100 of each of a selected group of monsters......
    I plan to reach High King eventually, but I might hurry a little faster if there was a general as a reward instead of/in addition to High King's Crowns, which I really don't care about getting.

    If the demi-powers were given as generals when you got all their quests and subquests to 400%, I would be on the verge of getting Ambrosia, and not far behind for Malekus, Corvintheus, and Azeron. I think this would have been cool, and preferable to having 4 of them be treasure chest generals. I have long thought there need to be a couple generals on par with the epics from the treasure chests that can be obtained some other way, for those of us with horrible luck with the chests.
    Pretty sure all the people who gambled on chests and got one of the demis would be hella pissed if they did that though.

    I like that there are generals you can obtain as rewards for things in the game, like through alchemy recipes or what have you, and I'd like to see more.

    In particular, I think Castle Age is missing a staple of RPG characters: a general that joins you after you defeat them. It could be argued that Keira works this way, but with the horrible drop rate of the items for her alchemy recipe, and the fact that there are people out there who have been trying to get her since last October and still haven't been able to, I say she doesn't count. How about somebody that you summon for a 1-on-1 battle, who joins you as a general if you can defeat them? I think it'd be cool.

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