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And yet another Group that PROMOTES Scripting

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  • #16
    Originally posted by niamh O'Toole View Post
    This group seems to fall under "inform" at least and likely "distribute" though, so it breaks the CA TOS
    Not really. The CA ToS only covers actions within the game itself, not groups on FB.



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    • #17
      Originally posted by niamh O'Toole View Post
      RABID appears to be the owner of that scripting group.
      This is going to be fun
      So wrong....never heard of that group 'till now.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by The Lord of the Files View Post
        Just to point this out...yet again...

        The CA ToS does not say that you can't use scripts. It says you may not:

        • Develop or distribute, or inform users of "auto" software, "macro" software, "bot" software, or any "cheat" utility or applications


        The FB ToU says you can't use "harvesting bots, robots, spiders, or scrapers" without permission.


        The moral of this story is that unless and until FB decides that they actually want to take the time to crack down on people using automation, there's not a damn thing any of us can do about it, and there are actually perfectly legitimate players using scripts after asking for permission to do so from FB.

        It's not hard to get permission. You just ask them, and they say yes.
        You should be a lawyer - the bloodsucking kind.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by phi618 View Post
          You should be a lawyer - the bloodsucking kind.
          Why because he clarifies something. It's not what most of wanted to see but it is what it is.
           integrity -adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
          honesty-1.the quality or fact of being honest; uprightness and fairness.
          2.truthfulness, sincerity, or frankness.
          3.freedom from deceit or fraud.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by The Lord of the Files View Post
            Not really. The CA ToS only covers actions within the game itself, not groups on FB.
            So how do you develop, inform or promote a script within CA then?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by niamh O'Toole View Post
              So how do you develop, inform or promote a script within CA then?

              That's a good question, to which I have no good answer. Sort of makes you wonder what the devs had in mind when they wrote that part of their ToS, since it's basically a totally meaningless prohibition.

              My guess is that they can't actually forbid the use of scripts in the game because that would pre-empt the FB ToU, which FB would definitely not like.

              Just a guess though.



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              • #22
                Yet they restricted scripting players health to 1 before (though only the ones who overload the servers).
                Probably why they don't get actually banned, just muzzled then.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by niamh O'Toole View Post
                  Yet they restricted scripting players health to 1 before (though only the ones who overload the servers).
                  Probably why they don't get actually banned, just muzzled then.
                  I suspect it's just a big fat hassle for FB to track and ban them all.

                  Hard to imagine that FB really gives a damn if Billy-Joe-Bob is letting his 'puter kill fake dragons for him. The anti-automation clauses in the FB ToU are really geared more towards giving FB legal tool to litigate against large-scale spammers scraping the system for contact info.

                  Makes me wonder what percentage of the CA scripters are also CC high-rollers...it would be interesting to see if there's a financial disincentive for the devs to crack down.



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                  • #24
                    I am sure there is, as tons of them are still going around attacking themselves for passive levelling, whereas the only ones who got "punished" are the ones who processed dozens of thousands of gifts for devotion farming, therefore probably costing more in server load than giving back in fp. Punishment being lifted if only they give back the devotions.... so yes, it is fairly mild.

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                    • #25
                      I don't see the point in using something to play for you, BUT didn't the FB TOS used to say something like you could not use a script/spider/ w.e. that was faster than an actual person or something? Haven't looked in a while so maybe they changed the wording, but technically that makes it sound like someone could use a bot that does it automatically, but does it slowly, lol.
                      Shaw landed a CRITICAL HIT on Cronus, The World Hydra hitting them for an UNGODLY amount of Damage[329,413,590]!
                      Shaw is conquering the world of Castle Age and has levelled Brakus to 80!
                      You are victorious in battle, taking 148 total damage and dealing 6744 total damage to your enemy.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by The Lord of the Files View Post
                        That's a good question, to which I have no good answer. Sort of makes you wonder what the devs had in mind when they wrote that part of their ToS, since it's basically a totally meaningless prohibition.

                        My guess is that they can't actually forbid the use of scripts in the game because that would pre-empt the FB ToU, which FB would definitely not like.

                        Just a guess though.
                        That's too bad. It drove me from the game. When you watch friends do what you know is wrong, it is a little hard to stomach.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Gethsemenerose View Post
                          Devs would you check this out and remove these CHEATERS PLEASE...

                          http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...49&topic=14063
                          Battling/Invading scripts that sends multiple hits within seconds i disagree with, that is just cheating.

                          Scripts to hit monsters, i dont care about, because the payout is the same as not using a script.

                          Just did a 100 stamina hit without an orc king. (next is a 150 stamina hit... ) I'm I a cheater?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by The Lord of the Files View Post
                            Makes me wonder what percentage of the CA scripters are also CC high-rollers...it would be interesting to see if there's a financial disincentive for the devs to crack down.
                            I touched on this in another thread; it's not the purchasing of favor points that provides the disincentive, it's the subscriber numbers for advertising. This is why even the scripters that have been caught have only had their health set below 10 instead of being flat-out banned.

                            Advertising on Facebook is sold based on the number of subscribers. The number of Castle Age subscribers has been declining, while the use of alternate accounts and scripting has been on the rise. There's no indication that the advertising revenue is based on unique subscribers, but just numbers in general. So there is a financial incentive to allow alternate accounts.

                            If the cost in server load is offset by the amount of advertising revenue based on sham numbers, there will never be an incentive to ban players, or even scripters. It's only when those using gift scripts that put a heavy load on the server were taken care of, and even then they weren't banned. They were allowed to maintain accounts to ensure the subscriber numbers didn't drop.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by mith View Post
                              I touched on this in another thread; it's not the purchasing of favor points that provides the disincentive, it's the subscriber numbers for advertising. This is why even the scripters that have been caught have only had their health set below 10 instead of being flat-out banned.

                              Advertising on Facebook is sold based on the number of subscribers. The number of Castle Age subscribers has been declining, while the use of alternate accounts and scripting has been on the rise. There's no indication that the advertising revenue is based on unique subscribers, but just numbers in general. So there is a financial incentive to allow alternate accounts.

                              If the cost in server load is offset by the amount of advertising revenue based on sham numbers, there will never be an incentive to ban players, or even scripters. It's only when those using gift scripts that put a heavy load on the server were taken care of, and even then they weren't banned. They were allowed to maintain accounts to ensure the subscriber numbers didn't drop.
                              This whole subscription based advertising system is going to crash and burn eventually. The scripters, along with a huge part of the facebook userbase, never even see the ads. The auto-player scripts block them, and the popularity of Adblock among average users is growing steadily.

                              It will be an interesting paradigm shift to watch, when it happens.



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