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  • Originally posted by Iron-Mike View Post
    And my big beef: they never take my suggestion for Arena. That is; Hero should get 1 General, Legend gets 2, Vanguard gets 4. and EV is 8. Why have a hero that no one will ever get,, even when they put them in those random chest promos? No incentive!!! I guarantee, more would be spending if they had a shot at the hero. even if its just 1.
    I agree with you about how (in game play) single copies of a top special general aren't worth all the $$$ spent to get them; but I'm grateful they aren't, because if big spenders got an effective multi-starred general with ease, it would first break the game for low spenders, and then break it for big spenders after the player base abandoned it.

    Since I'm not even trying for the trophy, it's easy for me to appreciate it being just a trophy.

    Like lotteries, these contests rely on the participants not clearly understanding the true cost/reward ratio.
    Last edited by Bandigerbolls; 01-01-2021, 02:58 AM.

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    • Originally posted by Iron-Mike View Post
      This is my 11th Arena and it has gone downhill every year. And my big beef: they never take my suggestion for Arena.

      That is; Hero should get 1 General,
      Legend gets 2,
      Vanguard gets 4. and EV is 8.

      Why have a hero that no one will ever get,, even when they put them in those random chest promos? No incentive!!! I guarantee, more would be spending if they had a shot at the hero. even if its just 1.
      I second this to some degree.
      Not to the extent of a full 8* general. But the general itself should be available to more than just EV rank. I think there should be something “better” as the reward for EV, like a promotion orb or two.
      Last edited by PrinceAdam; 01-01-2021, 07:09 AM.

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      • Originally posted by Iron-Mike View Post
        This is my 11th Arena and it has gone downhill every year. So much so, that I am no longer a paying player! Why? Every year the pool gets smaller and smaller, but the spenders remain. At one time a little spender can make Legend with a high build, not anymore. You'd be lucky to get to Hero now by spending, especially since there are so few targets for anyone to get more than a 100 at a time. And my big beef: they never take my suggestion for Arena. That is; Hero should get 1 General, Legend gets 2, Vanguard gets 4. and EV is 8. Why have a hero that no one will ever get,, even when they put them in those random chest promos? No incentive!!! I guarantee, more would be spending if they had a shot at the hero. even if its just 1.
        There are so many fallacies in your comment. I will address a few of them.

        1. Math; the current distribution of placements follow the Concept of Power Law (see here for an explanation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law )

        Giving 8 copies of a general won’t change this distribution. The key point is the shape of the distribution won’t change.

        2. Spenders will get the 8 generals so that is a STRONG DISINCENTIVE for others to spend. From #1, we have a good idea of who will get the 8 copies so the rest of us won’t spend.

        So who gets the 8 copies? The few players that have the ability and willingness to outspend other players. Plus they have time to commit to Arena.

        3. The current system rewards the following elements:
        - players that have Layla
        - players that have MK (Monkey King)
        - old school PvP builds.

        Unfortunately, the current EV rankers have all three elements so they see no need to change the system.

        Any spender who lacks all three elements is at a competitive disadvantage so that also disincentivizes people to spend.

        4. The General was always a “gamble” as I understood Arena. So would someone spend $$$$ for a gamble of 8 copies of a crappy General?

        So where does the Dev’s make the money: On the margin between Gladiator & Hero ranks and this is my opinion. In economics, we call this switch cost: How to get marginal players (those F2P sitting on the fence) to spend for a few refills each day. So that is the best place to alter the reward structure.

        In summary: I am risk adverse and even if I did have the wallet to spend to EV, I still won’t do it because I don’t like the gambling aspect of an unknown Arena General. So spending to get 8 copies is not going to happen for me.

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        • My lists had been sooo depressing... Oh well hope i had saved enough arena pts to get to my desired arena rank.
          for the meantime add me 5E51FD and this
          Pls do not hurt me... coz i know someone who knows someone that knows someone who can hurt you.

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          • Originally posted by Iron-Mike View Post
            This is my 11th Arena and it has gone downhill every year. So much so, that I am no longer a paying player! Why? Every year the pool gets smaller and smaller, but the spenders remain. At one time a little spender can make Legend with a high build, not anymore. You'd be lucky to get to Hero now by spending, especially since there are so few targets for anyone to get more than a 100 at a time. And my big beef: they never take my suggestion for Arena. That is; Hero should get 1 General, Legend gets 2, Vanguard gets 4. and EV is 8. Why have a hero that no one will ever get,, even when they put them in those random chest promos? No incentive!!! I guarantee, more would be spending if they had a shot at the hero. even if its just 1.
            Here I will give you some numbers so you can see why players DO NOT spend in Arena.

            This Arena is 260 hours long with one token regen every 5 minutes. So tokens from natural regen is 260 * 12 (12 tokens per hour) or 3,120 tokens.

            People who don’t have MK will get 3,120 tokens (plus initial 50 tokens).

            I have a 6* MK with a 15% buff so those same 3,120 tokens are worth an expected 3,588 or 468 extra tokens. I have an expected 468 tokens as an competitive advantage over players who don’t have any MK.

            Then there are players with 7* or 8* MK’s; and there are those with Layla with MK and the token disparity grows.

            My point is people don’t start Arena as equals. Someone will have to spend FPs to neutralize my MK buff. God forbid if I did spend in Arena, because my competitive advantage grows as well.



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            • Originally posted by Batw View Post

              My point is people don’t start Arena as equals. Someone will have to spend FPs to neutralize my MK buff. God forbid if I did spend in Arena, because my competitive advantage grows as well.
              I can attest that they also don't have equal opportunities during the event. Opponent lists are either consistently good or terrible for each player, with very little variation.

              My weakest iPhone mini beat the rest by a whole rank, merely by getting the best opponent lists. If I suspected I was getting shafted by the lists, I certainly wouldn't spend a single FP.

              Hopefully, future Arenas will have a smoother transition between lists, with more yet smaller brackets and lots of overlap with the adjacent brackets. A level 799 shouldn't be seeing all levels 600-700, while a level 800 gets lists with average players 2x his level, including those over 4x his level.
              Last edited by Bandigerbolls; 01-01-2021, 04:48 AM.

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              • Someone needs to update the sticky thread regarding getting the arena reward. It's from last year and currently not accurate, and sure to cause confusion for people that don't notice the date

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                • Originally posted by Gaffers View Post
                  Someone needs to update the sticky thread regarding getting the arena reward. It's from last year and currently not accurate, and sure to cause confusion for people that don't notice the date
                  Changed some things, is it ok now? The actual method of collecting seems to be the same to me, right ?
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                  • Question : Did I MISS the rewards being passed out OR has the 70 plus hours NOT been enough time and I should check back in a couple weeks like the LAST TIME a glitch was being fixed ???

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                    • Originally posted by waynem View Post
                      Question : Did I MISS the rewards being passed out OR has the 70 plus hours NOT been enough time and I should check back in a couple weeks like the LAST TIME a glitch was being fixed ???
                      Last Arena season the rewards were sent out 52 hours after the end.

                      Right now it's been 39 hours since Arena XIV ended. So we might get them in 13 hours (which is at CA day reset).

                      If we don't get them at that time, I wouldn't expect them before another 24 hours.
                      Last edited by gogoo; 01-02-2021, 07:14 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by waynem View Post
                        Question : Did I MISS the rewards being passed out OR has the 70 plus hours NOT been enough time and I should check back in a couple weeks like the LAST TIME a glitch was being fixed ???
                        It may take a while. Bogo's Christmas Gnomes must craft and enamel each Holy Adjudicator by hand, and they're just now getting back from their annual Land of Fire vacation.

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                        • Arena Awards (Legend):
                          1 Shining Great Sword 10 Attack, 14 Defense
                          1 Zenerean Dagger 20 Attack, 19 Defense
                          1 Castle Rampart 0 Attack 0 Defense
                          1 War Bear 5 attack, 4 Defense
                          5 Common Choas Shards 0 attack, 0 Defense
                          1 Skeletal Remnants 0 attack, 0 Defense
                          1 Dragan General 2 attack, 1 Defense
                          100,000 Gold
                          "One more day before the storm
                          At the barricades of freedom
                          When our ranks begin to form
                          Will you take your place with me?" - Enjolras from Les Miserables

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                          • Arena rewards are out. It was a 52 hours wait this year as well.

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                            • Three slots on the Seraph halo, and it is an amulet with 90 attack and 60 defense. No resistance or pierce.
                              Last edited by Saintcrow; 01-03-2021, 08:25 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by Saintcrow View Post
                                Three slots on the Seraph halo, and it is an amulet with 90 attack and 60 defense. No resistance or pierce.
                                Yeah, pretty much best Amulet out there unless you've got a great Legendary Gem on a Shiny Amulet (only 1 slot).
                                Was not expecting that.

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