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  • Petition for the next season of Colosseum

    Since season 3 I believe Colosseum is completely flawed and extremely frustrating.

    It could be an awesome feature and instead lots of players hate it.

    I want to propose 2 simple changes to change that:


    1) Remove the 50 Points (and 60 Points) loss in Gold and above.
    Basically, 1 win = +10 points and 1 loss = -10 points no matter your rank, stars and Colosseum Points.

    2) Greatly decrease the number of Colosseum Points required to earn 1 star.
    I suggest 30 Points for 1 star instead of 100 Points (up until Gladiator, where it can still be 100 points for 1 star).


    Of course many other changes could improve Colosseum but I think those 2 very simple changes would make it 100 times better already, and would be an awesome first step.

    Maybe if plenty of players vote on this poll the devs might listen.
    31
    I agree and want these changes
    96.77%
    30
    I disagree and think these changes are bad
    3.23%
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  • #2
    Details on why I want those changes:


    Even though this season is a bit better than the previous one (thanks to the increased number of tokens available), it's still very bad for most players IMO.

    The 2 suggestions:

    1) Remove the 50 Points loss in Gold and above (when you lose while at 0/100 points).
    This is extremely bad. Please just remove it, it has no positive impact whatsoever on the player experience and it shouldn't exist. It doesn't make Colosseum competitive, simply extremely frustrating.

    2) Greatly decrease the number of Colosseum Points required to earn 1 star. I suggest 30 Points for 1 star instead of 100 Points.
    Currently, in addition to being extremely strong, you basically need to be unemployed or retired in order to reach Gladiator. It takes far too much time, it's just an horrible grind, it's too much to be fun.
    I understand the goal is to avoid players accumulating stars too quickly though, so I suggest 30 Points to earn 1 star from Bronze to Diamond, and once in Gladiator 100 Points for 1 star (as it is today). It won't be an issue for the players in Gladiator, since there is no higher rank to reach anyway. If this causes an issue, you can still tweak the amount of Points required in the following season.

    I believe those 2 simple changes would immensely improve the Colosseum experience for all players.

    Currently, those 2 things (100 Points for 1 star and the 50 points loss) create very big issues. It takes a very long time for strong players to climb ranks, and thus they stay in Bronze/Silver for a very long time and weaker players always get matched with those stronger players and can't have fun, at all. It's a terrible, terrible experience for anyone who is not relatively strong.
    While Bronze and Silver should be ranks where weak players can be and fight against other weak players (after the strong players have climbed quickly to Gold or above).
    Then, when you reach Gold, it becomes extremely hard (or for most players, completely impossible) to keep climbing, because of the 50 points loss. When I reached Gold (about 2 months ago) here's what the situation was like:
    When I was Silver I, 3 stars, 90 points I was at rank 884. After I won 1 more match, I reached Gold IV, 1 star, 0 point, and my rank went to 302. Which means there were about 600 players packed at the bottom of Gold. And the situation has gotten much worse now. It's complete nonsense.
    In summary, the current rules of the Colosseum almost don't allow for the separation of players depending on their strength. The top 0.5% can climb ranks. The rest of the players stop at Gold IV.
    If the 2 things I suggested are implemented, I believe it will change this.

    Players had tons of fun in Colosseum season 1 and 2. It's a really great feature. However since season 3 everyone I talk to hates it. It's very sad to see a feature with such great potential become so bad. I've seen people literally quit the game over the frustration of Colosseum matches.
    I really hope changes will be made for the next season.
    Last edited by gogoo; 09-07-2020, 09:02 PM.

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    • #3
      Remove 'Team' option as well and boom! You have the most fun feature this game has to offer.
      Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

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      • #4
        I agree with your first point. That pitfall at gold 4, 1 star with 0 or 10p is just ridiculous. I dont know why they even thought that would be a good idea. so stupid. just get rid of it. period.

        As to your second point I only partly agree with you. I dont mind the grind if I can feel that it actually gets me forward, even if it is ever so slowly.
        So I suggest get rid of the -10p when you lose a battle. that way the 100p for a star can stay. as it is now it is just impossible for most of us to go beyond gold since the randomness in matchups makes you go nowhere.
        I suggest that all ranks are as bronze and silver were this season where we can grind our way up, except for gladiator rank which I think can still have the -10p for a loss. Better stats makes it go faster of course since you will have greater influence on the outcome of the battle and thereby earn more honour points in the long run. a high commitment to the grind should reward itself.

        I also agree that the team option needs to go. so flawed.

        /Best regards
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        Last edited by zothox; 09-07-2020, 11:56 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Fadasmax View Post
          Remove 'Team' option as well and boom! You have the most fun feature this game has to offer.
          Yes, I second this.

          Also make a minimum level requeriment to join, like level 100.
          Last edited by Doge; 09-08-2020, 01:54 AM.

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          • #6
            Make the penalty for losing less than the bonus for winning... Instead of +10 to win and -3 to lose. That way people can grind their way up and have some incentive to keep playing. There is no money to be made from this feature, so effort should be rewarded. Its not like the prizes are that incredible that the game would suffer if more people got them. I also agree with way less point requirement to rank up too.

            Also, you should never lose a star. Once you make it, that should be the new floor for you.
            Last edited by pull lead; 09-08-2020, 04:17 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Doge View Post


              Also make a minimum level requeriment to join, like level 100.

              This is good idea , has saw many mini with very low level appear on Colosseum , suspected is controlled by script
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              • #8
                1) Good idea, remove the 50 point loss, or maybe save it for the highest rank only. More folks will be able to make it past Gold - probably not me, LOL
                2) 100 -> 30 points? I'm ok with the 100 points, there should be some challenge, though I also would not mind ranking up faster too
                3) Instead of removing the Team aspect, why not split Colosseum off into two? 5 Individuals VS 5 Individuals and a separate Team of 5 VS Team of 5?
                4) Not sure there is a good way to handle minis, other than by the point and rank system. How many level 1's make it to or past Gold?
                Last edited by Ray-Ray; 09-08-2020, 05:58 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Fadasmax View Post
                  Remove 'Team' option as well and boom! You have the most fun feature this game has to offer.
                  Originally posted by zothox View Post
                  I also agree that the team option needs to go. so flawed.
                  Originally posted by Doge View Post
                  Yes, I second this.
                  Originally posted by Ray-Ray View Post
                  3) Instead of removing the Team aspect, why not split Colosseum off into two? 5 Individuals VS 5 Individuals and a separate Team of 5 VS Team of 5?
                  I only wanted to suggest changes which IMO will benefit ALL players no matter the rank or PvP strength or anything. Which is why I didn't talk about the Set Team feature.
                  It's a controversial feature as there are players who really like it, and IMO it's understandable, being able to play with your friends and elaborate strategies together is great.

                  IMO removing it altogether is not necessary, there are other ways to fix the abuse of the Team feature, such as making it so all players on a Team need to be of similar ranks (this should prevent the "losing teams" abuse i.e. creating teams just so you'll fight against them and get easy wins).


                  However personally I always play as a "Random Team" so what they do with the Set Team thing probably won't affect me much.




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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Doge View Post
                    Also make a minimum level requeriment to join, like level 100.
                    Originally posted by Vincent YoPing View Post
                    This is good idea , has saw many mini with very low level appear on Colosseum , suspected is controlled by script
                    I didn't want to suggest too many things in one thread, and IMO low level minis are not a big issue (they don't kill the feature for the active players) so I didn't mention it. But a (low) level requirement probably wouldn't hurt indeed. Some high health low level accounts will probably be annoying for active lower level players in low ranks after a while.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by zothox View Post
                      I agree with your first point. That pitfall at gold 4, 1 star with 0 or 10p is just ridiculous. I dont know why they even thought that would be a good idea. so stupid. just get rid of it. period.

                      As to your second point I only partly agree with you. I dont mind the grind if I can feel that it actually gets me forward, even if it is ever so slowly.
                      So I suggest get rid of the -10p when you lose a battle. that way the 100p for a star can stay. as it is now it is just impossible for most of us to go beyond gold since the randomness in matchups makes you go nowhere.
                      I suggest that all ranks are as bronze and silver were this season where we can grind our way up, except for gladiator rank which I think can still have the -10p for a loss. Better stats makes it go faster of course since you will have greater influence on the outcome of the battle and thereby earn more honour points in the long run. a high commitment to the grind should reward itself.
                      Originally posted by pull lead View Post
                      Make the penalty for losing less than the bonus for winning... Instead of +10 to win and -3 to lose. That way people can grind their way up and have some incentive to keep playing. There is no money to be made from this feature, so effort should be rewarded. Its not like the prizes are that incredible that the game would suffer if more people got them. I also agree with way less point requirement to rank up too.

                      Also, you should never lose a star. Once you make it, that should be the new floor for you.
                      Originally posted by Ray-Ray View Post
                      2) 100 -> 30 points? I'm ok with the 100 points, there should be some challenge, though I also would not mind ranking up faster too
                      IMO grinding is not a challenge. Mindless button pushing and being carried by your team is not fun. That's what going to happen eventually (if no penalty for losing) if you play a ton, you'll end playing with and against players stronger than you.

                      And having to play huge amounts of time in order to achieve something is not fun (especially if it's mindless grinding).
                      It took me 1 month to reach Gold this season, and I played quite a lot (although much less than some people). And the stars requirements go up a lot in higher ranks.
                      And it also didn't feel rewarding having to keep playing so much past the point your weekly Honor Points had been earned in order to climb.

                      IMO the way seasons 1 and 2 worked was great (in terms of what a win or a loss would do rank-wise). You win a game, you go up. You lose a game, you go down the same amount.
                      Eventually, you'll end up where you belong. If you can't go up anymore, it's because you've reached a point where your opponents are going to be roughly of the same strength as you (and you'll keep winning ~50% of your matches), and you'd need to become stronger in order to climb higher. And you should get mostly fair and fun matches. Which is also kinda the point, isn't it?

                      If you don't lose anything when losing, or if you lose much less points than you win with a match, those who will play the most will have an advantage. And will get bad matches, and the matches also won't be as good for their teammates.

                      Also, you don't need to have a huge amount of points requirement in order to prevent players from climbing the ranks too quickly. In season 1, I could barely reach Platinum by the end of the season and that was because I was bad (weak PvP-wise, no investment in any class powers or GB generals, bad dmg rune...). You needed 10 times less wins to get 1 star and I still couldn't go past high Gold. And season 1 lasted a long time.

                      Lastly, keeping 100 Points required for 1 star makes even very strong players climb slowly - while the quicker they go away from low ranks, the quicker weaker players will get more fun matches and also get more chances to climb.


                      Ideally, they could leave 10 points for a win at all ranks, and adjust the loss penalty depending on the rank you're on (e.g. -1 pt in Bronze, -3 pts in Silver, -5 pts in Gold, and maybe -10 pts in Platinum and above). It could be alright. Or they could offer better rewards for lower ranks!
                      I also wanted to keep the suggestion in the first post simple, because I think there's a better chance to see changes happening the easier they are to make...


                      Last edited by gogoo; 09-08-2020, 09:28 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Doge View Post
                        Also make a minimum level requeriment to join, like level 100.
                        To me this is a very low priority. They are a non-issue. Even better when they are low health for both attacking and defending. People joining to drop 1-2 tokens is far more of an issue in my opinion.
                        Chimوra

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by thomasj8 View Post

                          To me this is a very low priority. They are a non-issue. Even better when they are low health for both attacking and defending. People joining to drop 1-2 tokens is far more of an issue in my opinion.
                          Agreed.
                          And people dropping 1 token and leaving should happen less the higher you go - currently with everyone packed at Gold and not being able to climb anyway, it's bound to happen a lot.
                          I think my 2 suggestions would (mostly) fix that as well

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Fadasmax View Post
                            Remove 'Team' option as well and boom! You have the most fun feature this game has to offer.
                            +1
                            The team function is used to abuse the system by creating dummy loosing squads. There are several groups on FB with dummy squads per rank. We all know it and eventually find them in the matching. They even complaint to your wall if you win their dummy squad.

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                            • #15
                              The matching code. It is the worst. Both in selecting team members, and matching teams with other teams. You want something that will benefit all players? How about if the devs post the code that determines matching. Yes, literally post the code. Its obvious that the devs can't get it figured out, entirely likely because they don't play the game they develop for. Let the players - the ones that actually do play the game - let them crunch over it and figure out how to make it work the best for the most possible. Imagine the influx of new players that could come if regular players bragged about this totally awesome feature called Colosseum, that they helped create, and it really does work!

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