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  • Originally posted by dayrep View Post
    So put simply, after you go past the breakpoint, any increase in damage will at best be neglible. Is that it?
    No, it keeps going up but at a diminishing rate (logarithmically).

    A very good optimum point for attack is about 1700 above the monster's breakpoint.
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    • Originally posted by Mellisa The Hun View Post
      No, it keeps going up but at a diminishing rate (logarithmically).

      A very good optimum point for attack is about 1700 above the monster's breakpoint.
      Understood. I only have 1250 atm so that's not looking so good after all. Thank you Melissa.

      And that is why I failed Algebra before. lol

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      • Originally posted by dayrep View Post
        Understood. I only have 1250 atm so that's not looking so good after all. Thank you Melissa.

        And that is why I failed Algebra before. lol
        Everyone will need to find their own optimal attack. I noted 1000 above breakpoint, Melissa noted 1700.
        You get benefit from not just your attack stat but from bonuses too. Item Archives can provide more than enough for a monster hunter, although it'll be a lot of monsters to get there Also attack rune helps.
        You can see your attack in Keep with white value (base attack stat) and green bonus. Popup for mouseover provides breakdown of bonus.
        Using monster attack bonus general like Sahar in monster alliance gives further bonus. That isn't shown in keep, has to be added to Keep values by player to find total monster attack.
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        • Originally posted by Elandal View Post
          Everyone will need to find their own optimal attack. I noted 1000 above breakpoint, Melissa noted 1700.
          You get benefit from not just your attack stat but from bonuses too. Item Archives can provide more than enough for a monster hunter, although it'll be a lot of monsters to get there Also attack rune helps.
          You can see your attack in Keep with white value (base attack stat) and green bonus. Popup for mouseover provides breakdown of bonus.
          Using monster attack bonus general like Sahar in monster alliance gives further bonus. That isn't shown in keep, has to be added to Keep values by player to find total monster attack.
          Sounds like a lot of work to get caught up. And math too. Ugh. lol

          Thanks Elandal!

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          • Ouroboros has higher DEF breakpoint than Chromus/Phantom of Shadow, my mini has DEF: 3093(+660), healing 24K/10 ENG for Chromus and PoS, only 8.4k per 10 ENG for Ouroboros.

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            • Orc Horde breakpoint

              With a 20 Energy heal on Orc Horde I did:

              [15,419] heal with 1052 def
              [15,431] heal with 1492 def
              [42,035] heal with 2100 def

              I haven't looked into the dmg/healing formulas so I'm not sure where that would mean the breakpoint should be.

              Around 2000 Defense maybe? (edit: btw 1800-1850 to be more precise)

              I don't know how much def above the breakpoint would heal for ~26.6k more than the minimum heal.


              Also, if like most monsters the def breakpoint is the same as the atk breakpoint, that would give us the atk breakpoint as well.


              Note - I don't think that matters but I used:
              General: 211 atk 205 def
              Equips: 471 atk 1076 def



              Edit:
              Took a look at the formulas, and also the last table in this post: http://www.castleageforums.com/cforu...-Healing-Curve

              If I understood it well, having 250 def above the breakpoint increases your healing by 25,000.

              My healing against Orc Horde was increased by ~26,600. So I suppose that means my def was 250+ above the monster breakpoint.

              That would mean Orc Horde's breakpoint is a bit under 1850.

              I haven't used the formula to try to determine the exact value, but the breakpoint is definitely between 1800 and 1850 if my reasoning is correct.
              Last edited by gogoo; 05-20-2019, 01:24 AM.

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              • World Monster Breakpoint

                With a 1 stamina hit on the World Monster I did:
                [1,361] damage with 4 player attack
                [1,789] damage with 26 player attack

                If that's of any interest, both times I attacked with a 0/3 general and had equips with a total of 4 attack.


                So I suppose that means the World Monster's breakpoint is probably 0 or very close to 0.

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                • The world monster may simply be stamina based, like Cronus.
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                  • Originally posted by VersionsOfViolence View Post
                    The world monster may simply be stamina based, like Cronus.
                    What does that mean?
                    I heard Cronus worked differently, but I don't know how differently.

                    Also for the World Monster, both attacks were with 1 stamina, and the damage was higher with a higher attack stat so the attack stat matters.

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                    • Originally posted by gogoo View Post
                      What does that mean?
                      I heard Cronus worked differently, but I don't know how differently.

                      Also for the World Monster, both attacks were with 1 stamina, and the damage was higher with a higher attack stat so the attack stat matters.
                      Stamina based monsters don't take stats into account, damage is related to stamina spent. If I am not mistaken, monster hunting bonus still applies, but nothing else. It's been so long since I don't kill Dragons or alike that I can say 100% sure.

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                      • Cronus isn't stamina based (dmg-wise, don't know about loot, probably not that either).

                        Dragons and Keira used to be stamina based, but not anymore.

                        Maybe monsters like orc king, colossus might still be stamina based? Don't know.
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                        • Originally posted by Barathor View Post
                          Stamina based monsters don't take stats into account, damage is related to stamina spent. If I am not mistaken, monster hunting bonus still applies, but nothing else. It's been so long since I don't kill Dragons or alike that I can say 100% sure.
                          Originally posted by zserg View Post
                          Cronus isn't stamina based (dmg-wise, don't know about loot, probably not that either).

                          Dragons and Keira used to be stamina based, but not anymore.

                          Maybe monsters like orc king, colossus might still be stamina based? Don't know.
                          Oh that's what VoV meant, I wasn't sure. Thx.

                          From what I know, only Kull and Karn are now stamina-based.


                          But Cronus, the World Hydra does work differently than other monsters, doesn't it?

                          I didn't see a breakpoint mentioned anywhere on the wiki or forums, while there's one for all other monsters except the recent ones (and the Dragons).

                          Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen people say Hydras could be used to reach the top spot more easily in the daily Monster Leaderboard, because the damage dealt was different than on other monsters (same amount of stamina could deal a lot more damage).

                          So, does anyone know what's the deal with the Hydra?

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                          • Damage grows linearly with player attack for Cronus, so it actually helps having 10k attack. IIRC.
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                            • Originally posted by zserg View Post
                              Damage grows linearly with player attack for Cronus, so it actually helps having 10k attack. IIRC.
                              That would completely make sense! Maybe that's it. Thx!

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                              • Demon Chimera Breakpoint

                                With a 1 stamina hit on the Demon Chimera I did:
                                • Between [1,339] and [1,357] damage with 4 player attack
                                • Between [1,777] and [1,796] damage with 26 player attack

                                If that's of any interest, both times I attacked with a 0/3 general and had equips with a total of 4 attack and 5 defense (total 4 attack and 8 defense for general+equips stats).


                                So I suppose that means the Demon Chimera's breakpoint is probably 0 or very close to 0.

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