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  • Promote Barbarus or Doloma ?

    Hi,
    I have a two star Barbarus (with one copy) and a one star Dolomar,both are at level 35.
    I am in a dilemna as to who to promote next. Any suggestions?

  • #2
    r u using them for mh?
    if so up barbarus first to 54 then up dolomar to 54
    then barbarus to 69 then dolomar to 69
    then depends on where u want to go
    i have the 3 at lvl 80 but i feel that stopping them at lvl 69 or 74 or 79 isnt making a huge difference if u are aiming for meteorite or treasure island
    but if u are farming leviathan and phatom o shadow, then getting them to 79 would be desirable.

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    • #3
      I suggest Barbarus.
      The general with the highest stats should go first in your alliance, because alliance stats is what matters to most to increase your monster damage.
      And since Barbarus is easier to level up than Dolomar (he requires less XP) + his x3 ability only works when he's master of the alliance, put him first in the alliance and level him up and promote him first.

      ​​​​​​You can learn more about monster damage in the first sections of this wiki page if you're curious:
      https://castleage.fandom.com/wiki/Mo...nting_Generals
      It could help you for future decisions.
      Last edited by gogoo; 10-18-2020, 07:51 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by baoyutaohuagong View Post
        r u using them for mh?
        if so up barbarus first to 54 then up dolomar to 54
        then barbarus to 69 then dolomar to 69
        then depends on where u want to go
        i have the 3 at lvl 80 but i feel that stopping them at lvl 69 or 74 or 79 isnt making a huge difference if u are aiming for meteorite or treasure island
        but if u are farming leviathan and phatom o shadow, then getting them to 79 would be desirable.
        Hi baoyutaohuagong,
        Thank you for the suggestion.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by gogoo View Post
          I suggest Barbarus.
          The general with the highest stats should go first in your alliance, because alliance stats is what matters to most to increase your monster damage.
          And since Barbarus is easier to level up than Dolomar (he requires less XP) + his x3 ability only works when he's master of the alliance, put him first in the alliance and level him up and promote him first.

          ​​​​​​You can learn more about monster damage in the first sections of this wiki page if you're curious:
          https://castleage.fandom.com/wiki/Mo...nting_Generals
          It could help you for future decisions.
          Hi gogoo,
          Thanks for the suggestion.

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          • #6
            Just got back 2 weeks ago from a 7 year break. What if i have a lvl 26 barbarus vs a lvl 4 slayer? Would it not be more beneficial to lvl the slayer? The way i see it, i could give slayer a ton more lvls with the same exp, making his crit have a bigger difference than barbarus's extra lvls/ability. The fandom site says its better to have a lvl 80 than two lvl 64s, but is that right? Barbarus at 80 says 657/374 with ~18% more damage. Barbarus at 60 is 397/234 with 13.2%. Dolomar at 38 is 12.39% crit. Wouldnt a 60 barbarus and 38 dolomar (adds up to same exp as an 80 barbarus) do more damage than an 80 barbarus and 4 dolomar?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by mrveg View Post
              Just got back 2 weeks ago from a 7 year break. What if i have a lvl 26 barbarus vs a lvl 4 slayer? Would it not be more beneficial to lvl the slayer? The way i see it, i could give slayer a ton more lvls with the same exp, making his crit have a bigger difference than barbarus's extra lvls/ability. The fandom site says its better to have a lvl 80 than two lvl 64s, but is that right? Barbarus at 80 says 657/374 with ~18% more damage. Barbarus at 60 is 397/234 with 13.2%. Dolomar at 38 is 12.39% crit. Wouldnt a 60 barbarus and 38 dolomar (adds up to same exp as an 80 barbarus) do more damage than an 80 barbarus and 4 dolomar?
              First I'm going to say, if your Slayer is only level 6, you still have time to get Kaiser instead: he requires 1.5m less XP to level up to the max. And has an item which gives +1% crit chance but that's only if you use him as Master.
              Kaiser gives the exact same amount of crit as Slayer. If you only have 1 copy of Slayer, for 30 FP I'd go Kaiser instead.


              Then you have to consider that starting at around level 55, every 5 levels you get quite a nice stats boost for your hero. And promoting your general also gives stats boost, so having a level 79 or even 80 general at 5 stars or more will provide very nice stats to your alliance.
              For instance a level 79 Barb at 5 stars would have 1474 attack (+ an extra 10% if you have his 3 equips).
              And you general alliance stats has a huge impact on your monster damage. If you haven't, you can check the link I provided in my previous post in this thread to learn more about that (not sure that's the article you're talking about).


              The other thing you should consider and I think that's why the wiki (the fandom site) says it's better to have one 80 than two 64 is that starting with level 55 every 5 levels it requires a lot of Evolution Crystals to level up your hero. You're probably going to be limited by your Crystals and not by the XP required to level up your heroes.

              But you're right, leveling several generals at a time especially when they don't require a lot of resources is probably a good option. In your case I'd suggest leveling both Barb and Slayer/Kaiser if you can, while still keeping your Master a bit ahead if you have to make a choice.
              Then when you reach level 54, you'll have to choose in which hero you're going to invest your Crystals. And at that points personally I think I'd level the Master to 79 why keeping the general behind at level 54. And then once the Master is level 79 you can start leveling the other one again.
              Because stats are really really important for monster dmg.


              Oh, and welcome back 🙂
              Last edited by gogoo; 10-23-2020, 06:05 PM.

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              • #8
                Hey gogoo, thanks for the detailed response. And yea, i was looking into Dolomar actually but if the conventional wisdom was to level only the main general, I was going to hold off and hope moonlight dragon makes a comeback. But if it was going to be more beneficial to stagger level them, then i would have gotten dolomar right away. And im just playing as a free player and while I know these fp generals will eventually be 5 or 8 stars, thatll be in ages. Is it better to get copies early on or does it not matter until you reach a certain lvl anyways? As a free player, i feel i will reach the levels far before i run out of crystals haha. But i guess thats because i dont use many crystals yet. My barbarus is only lvl 26 out of a maximum of 40 because gaining exp is so slow. But i could see the crystals needed (hundreds of by 80) being a hurdle. My guild is also noobie so dont get many blue/heroes at all. And where do you go to see their stats at different stars? Because looking at his stats at 54 to 55 is only 273 to 332. Doesnt seem that high but I'm assuming its way more at 5 stars.

                Also, cant post unless i post a photo for some reason if youre wonderin wtf these pics are.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mrveg View Post
                  Also, cant post unless i post a photo for some reason if youre wonderin wtf these pics are.
                  That's a (weird?) anti-spam measure I believe, it will only last for your first few posts I think.

                  Originally posted by mrveg View Post
                  Hey gogoo, thanks for the detailed response. And yea, i was looking into Dolomar actually but if the conventional wisdom was to level only the main general, I was going to hold off and hope moonlight dragon makes a comeback. But if it was going to be more beneficial to stagger level them, then i would have gotten dolomar right away. And im just playing as a free player and while I know these fp generals will eventually be 5 or 8 stars, thatll be in ages. Is it better to get copies early on or does it not matter until you reach a certain lvl anyways? As a free player, i feel i will reach the levels far before i run out of crystals haha. But i guess thats because i dont use many crystals yet. My barbarus is only lvl 26 out of a maximum of 40 because gaining exp is so slow. But i could see the crystals needed (hundreds of by 80) being a hurdle. My guild is also noobie so dont get many blue/heroes at all. And where do you go to see their stats at different stars? Because looking at his stats at 54 to 55 is only 273 to 332. Doesnt seem that high but I'm assuming its way more at 5 stars.
                  To see how Promotion affect your general stats and ability, you can check the table there: https://castleage.fandom.com/wiki/He...eral_Promotion

                  For instance for a 5* general:
                  - Stats = (baseStat*2.4)+44
                  - You get an ability boost of +18 levels, i.e. if your general is level 40 and 5*, his ability will be equal to the ability of an unpromoted lvl 58 general (except for certain exceptions).


                  Personally I went for Dolomar rather than Kaiser but if ever you want to see the pros and cons you can check the note at the end of this section (same article as earlier).

                  If you play for free (and even more if you have a relatively low LSI), Red and Green Crystals will be hard to come by, trust me. If you lack Blue or Hero Crystals more than red and green, consider changing guilds.
                  You can check there how many Crystals you'll need to level up a certain general type to a certain level, btw: https://castleage.fandom.com/wiki/He...neral_Leveling

                  At low levels, promoting is more useful for the ability boost.
                  At higher levels, it's usually more useful for the stats boost (especially when it comes to monster hunting). The ability boost is still great ofc. You do get a stats boost even at lower levels but since it's mostly a multiplier, ofc it's much better when you already have high stats to begin with.



                  Last edited by gogoo; 10-23-2020, 09:33 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Yea, I went with Dolomar for the long run. Here's my current set up (I used one aggressive pot to level Dolomar to a decent level). Seems like you can't stack similar abilities so couldn't put slayer in so just went with Elin. I only gain like 3 favor points a week or so. It'll take me a while to save up unless I farm serpents or something but I'm a bit occupied just farming new gear atm. Left off at Ambrosia for the helm, so going to finish that. Just managed to tag a phantom earlier today to get most of his gear. Maybe once I finish getting all my phantom gear (missing those gloves), I'll finish Samael's piercing gear. My Barbarus probably would only be low 30s by then. Once I finish farming some of the other stuff and he reaches a decent level, maybe 40s-50s, I'll have enough FP from monsters to just buy his copies without needing to farm serpents.

                    Currently have 3 hero, 12 blue, 26 green, and 38 red crystals. It's fine for now because as you can see, my Barbarus still has a ton of levels to go and I seem to only be leveling him like once a week or something. Within that timeframe, I'm getting quite a bit of the other ones. I think I get like 10 blues easily during the 3 days a week you can get them. Red/greens do seem a bit rarer. I don't do the excavation quests yet for greens because I've been mostly using my energy to do quests for stat points.

                    My stats seem pretty low LSI. Since I've been back though, I probably leveled about 10 times and pumped everything into energy. I'll probably go for 2k energy/1k stamina and then decide what to do from there. I'll probably be around lvl 750 with those stats, meaning an LSI of 5.33 or so. I've basically been doing Ambrosia at the start but it seems all my demipoints got reset at some point. I don't really want to waste my stamina on doing the 10 battles of each per day so I'll probably just do Ambrosia/Azeron only and leave the other 3 to gather through monster rewards or something.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mrveg View Post
                      Seems like you can't stack similar abilities so couldn't put slayer in so just went with Elin.
                      Yeah if the master has a certain ability (e.g. +crit chance) any general behind him with the same ability will transfer a % of it to the alliance. Usually 50% for the 1st link and 33% for the 2nd, sometimes 25%/17% for crit chance for instance.
                      But if the master doesn't have e.g. crit chance and you put 2 generals with crit chance behind, only one of them will be taken into account (but fully).

                      Originally posted by mrveg View Post
                      I seem to only be leveling him like once a week or something. Within that timeframe, I'm getting quite a bit of the other ones.
                      Btw if ever you didn't think about this already, you can put Sano behind a general you want to level up and quest with that general and you'll get the influence bonus from Sano. You can also complete the main quests using any general now, not the previously required one.

                      Originally posted by mrveg View Post
                      My stats seem pretty low LSI. Since I've been back though, I probably leveled about 10 times and pumped everything into energy. I'll probably go for 2k energy/1k stamina and then decide what to do from there.
                      You ca check this guide if you're interested (or only certain sections, it's a bit long):
                      https://castleage.fandom.com/wiki/Po...er_build_guide
                      It's about high LSI builds but I'm sure you can find interesting info.

                      Originally posted by mrveg View Post
                      I've basically been doing Ambrosia at the start but it seems all my demipoints got reset at some point. I don't really want to waste my stamina on doing the 10 battles of each per day so I'll probably just do Ambrosia/Azeron only and leave the other 3 to gather through monster rewards or something.
                      The most interesting things you'll get from demi-points are the demi-quests (for the easy SPs). If you've already unlocked and completed all of them, the only thing you'll be getting from the demi-gods are a few extra FPs. Not worth praying to smth you're not interested in.

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                      • #12
                        Yea, I read that guide but it's a bit late for me. Seems I already pumped over 3k points into my atk/def/hp so I'm going to spend hundreds of levels trying to shift back. Reason I chose 2k energy/1k Stamina for now is to take advantage of the free refills.

                        "You could reach about 5k energy / 2k stamina by the time you reach level 1000 (which can be achieved in only a few months time)."

                        Damn, in a few months?! That sounds insane. I just started a new account to sorta test it and it's around 40 right now with 150/50 and it's been about a week. I'll test out the theory I guess lol. And yea, that's why I probably will stick to just the two LSI demigods to try and shift my character back over. I'll get the free FP from the other gods in time from just battling.

                        And yea, I found out the Sano trick after about a week or so of just using my main general with him. Kinda annoying to continually shift from Sano to Elin between questing/attacking though.

                        And your point about generals, so you can theoretically have say... Moonlight Dragon as your main, Dolomar, then barbarus or something? Wouldn't that be a better monster hunter? Because then you'd have 20% crit + 10% crit + 20% Barbarus's cleave? Whereas the current meta appears to be saying Barbarus + Moonlight + sahar/monkey king (but let's assume you can't get him)? The current meta would be missing that extra crit because it won't be able to use a second critical hero due to Barbarus not having it. You'll have to heal more often though.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mrveg View Post
                          Yea, I read that guide but it's a bit late for me. Seems I already pumped over 3k points into my atk/def/hp so I'm going to spend hundreds of levels trying to shift back. Reason I chose 2k energy/1k Stamina for now is to take advantage of the free refills.
                          I have about 4750‬ SPs in atk/def/hp which I already had around level 850 I think (not sure anymore), then I started putting everything in ene/stam when I came back to the game and I definitely don't regret it. I can't level up on demand though and probably never will be able to.


                          Originally posted by mrveg View Post
                          "You could reach about 5k energy / 2k stamina by the time you reach level 1000 (which can be achieved in only a few months time)."

                          Damn, in a few months?! That sounds insane. I just started a new account to sorta test it and it's around 40 right now with 150/50 and it's been about a week. I'll test out the theory I guess lol.
                          I had feedback from a player who followed the guide and kept track of his progress and he reached level 1000 in 42 days. It mostly depends on how much time you have to play daily lol.


                          Originally posted by mrveg View Post
                          And yea, I found out the Sano trick after about a week or so of just using my main general with him. Kinda annoying to continually shift from Sano to Elin between questing/attacking though.
                          What do you mean? You shouldn't have to change your alliances I think? Or if you mean simply switching the general (alliance) you're using, I suggest using loadouts if you're not using them already. Much quicker than using the hero "quick select".


                          Originally posted by mrveg View Post
                          And your point about generals, so you can theoretically have say... Moonlight Dragon as your main, Dolomar, then barbarus or something? Wouldn't that be a better monster hunter? Because then you'd have 20% crit + 10% crit + 20% Barbarus's cleave? Whereas the current meta appears to be saying Barbarus + Moonlight + sahar/monkey king (but let's assume you can't get him)? The current meta would be missing that extra crit because it won't be able to use a second critical hero due to Barbarus not having it. You'll have to heal more often though.
                          The issue with MLD first is that even if you can get him, it will probably be hard to promote him which will result in much smaller stats which will be bad for your dmg. Even if you get more crits, you'll most likely deal less damage on avg.
                          But you could for instance use Dolomar/Barb/MLD to get some of the crit of MLD transferred to your alliance. Although crit has a very bad transfer rate as I said earlier so you won't get much extra crit from MLD (only 17% if he's 3rd in the alliance, 25% if he's 2nd). He'll be good mostly for his crit dmg ability which will fully transfer.
                          You can check more about transfer rates for different abilities there: https://castleage.fandom.com/wiki/General_Alliance

                          The current "meta" for most players is Barbarus - Crit general (Dolo/Kaiser/MLD) - Sahar*
                          *Sahar may not be useful for many so it could be Monkey King or MLD if you have them. Will most likely be much better especially with MLD. MK unless promoted a lot is not that good. Crit dmg from MLD will be better but you won't get free XP.
                          If you don't have any of those 2 or another monster hunting general, you can use your general with the highest attack stat.

                          If you want to play with numbers and see what is best to increase your avg dmg, you can use this spreadsheet:
                          Spreadsheet - enhanced Monster damage calculator (with Critical Chance & more)
                          Last edited by gogoo; 10-25-2020, 04:29 PM. Reason: typo

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mrveg View Post

                            And yea, I found out the Sano trick after about a week or so of just using my main general with him. Kinda annoying to continually shift from Sano to Elin between questing/attacking though.

                            .
                            Hi,which Sano trick? Able to share?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by gogoo View Post
                              I have about 4750‬ SPs in atk/def/hp which I already had around level 850 I think (not sure anymore), then I started putting everything is ene/stam when I came back to the game and I definitely don't regret it. I can't level up on demand though and probably never will be able to.



                              I had feedback from a player who followed the guide and kept track of his progress and he reached level 1000 in 42 days. It mostly depends on how much time you have to play daily lol.



                              What do you mean? You shouldn't have to change your alliances I think? Or if you mean simply switching the general (alliance) you're using, I suggest using loadouts if you're not using them. Much quicker than using the hero "quick select".



                              The issue with MLD first is that even if you can get him, it will probably be hard to promote him which will result in much smaller stats which will be bad for your dmg. Even if you get more crits, you'll most likely deal less damage on avg.
                              But you could for instance use Dolomar/Barb/MLD to get some of the crit of MLD transferred to your alliance. Although crit has a very bad transfer rate as I said earlier so you won't get much extra crit from MLD (only 17% if he's 3rd in the alliance, 25% if he's 2nd). He'll be good mostly for his crit dmg ability which will fully transfer.
                              You can check more about transfer rates for different abilities there: https://castleage.fandom.com/wiki/General_Alliance

                              The current "meta" for most players is Barbarus / Crit general (Dolo/Kaiser/MLD) - Sahar*
                              *Sahar may not be useful for many so it could be Monkey King or MLD if you have them. Will most likely be much better especially with MLD. MK unless promoted a lot is not that good. Crit dmg from MLD will be better but you won't get free XP.
                              If you don't have any of those 2 or another monster hunting general, you can use your general with the highest attack stat.

                              If you want to play with numbers and see what is best to increase your avg dmg, you can use this spreadsheet:
                              Spreadsheet - enhanced Monster damage calculator (with Critical Chance & more)
                              barb dolomar mk/sahar
                              dolo mld barb/mk (if the position changes, the crit will be a pain)

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