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  • #1

    Answers to Why you are Losing Battles/Duels

    I see 20+ threads a day posted with "tell me why I lost pwz??" and they show how they have a larger army, higher level, better units, better generals, etc, etc... and the answer is the same EVERY SINGLE TIME!

    Battle Calculations:

    Attack/Defense - This part of the equation is weighted big time in the calcs. In other words you could have 501 army units and battle someone with only 50 battle units and lose if your attack/defense stats are terrible.

    Example:

    Some 1337 (elite) people I've seen here typically have attack stats between 500 and 800 if they are offensive minded. I'm assuming that if they are defensive then their defense stats would be between 500-800. Keep in mind these are people at level 100+ so if you are level 20 don't wonder why you don't have 800 stat points yet LOL.

    What you take to battle:
    1. Your attack/defense stats
    2. Up to a maximum of 501 army units.
    2a. This depends on how many Castle Age friends you have. Your # of friends = the number of slots available up to a max of 501.
    2b. If you have 501 friends but only have 100 army units then you only bring 100 to battle. Think of friends as # of slots available and it is up to you to fill the slots.
    3. Your best generals up to a max of 100 (1 general per 5 army units).
    4. Up to 501 of your best att/def rated "items". Items are defined as: armor, weapons, shields, helmets, rings, amulets.
    4a. If you have a shield that is 1/10 (11 total) and you have a sword that is 5/5 (10 total)... it is a good guess that the shield is what you bring to battle...not the sword. This is conjecture at this point cuz the mods here are still testing the formulas to check for sure. However, the best guess is highest "combined" value is taken to battle always. If you have 501 units but only have 400 items then you will bring all 400 items regardless of att/def value.
    5. Up to 501 of your best magic items. Auras, lightning bolts/storms, fireballs/firewalls, and charms are all considered magic.

    Duel Calculations:

    What you bring to the Duel:

    1. Your Attack/Defense Stats (most important part of the calculation)
    2. Your best general (combined stats)
    3. Armor
    4. Helmet
    5. Weapon
    6. Shield
    7. Amulet/Ring
    8. Magic

    For much more detailed information on dueling go here Sophia's Dueling Guide
    Last edited by HouseNdaHouse; 10-27-2009, 03:59 AM.
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  • #2
    Good job. You should add that for invasion battles, attack and defense points are multiplied by your army size, up to 501.
    The Dueler Strategy Guide | The Invader Strategy Guide
    "Sophia Dragonhunter {ℜ}", level 321 Baroness
    130 Energy, 971 Stamina, 400 Attack, 26 Defense, 100 Health

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    • #3
      Very nice explanation. With your permission, I might add some of this into my guide.
      The enjoyment of the game is becoming the best, not necessarily being the best. - SirTaylor

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      • #4
        Mods, please sticky this. Not that anyone will read it before they post, but still...



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        • #5
          Originally posted by Droidlover View Post
          Very nice explanation. With your permission, I might add some of this into my guide.
          Feel free my friend...

          @Lord of the flies = ROFL... how true! What I was thinking though was that instead of answering each time and typing all this stuff out I'll just say..."read the guide in my signature" and just hope it catches on. :P

          edit: upon re-reading this I forgot to explain why they lose duels... I focused mainly on battles. WHOOPS!! I'll fix later tonight.
          Last edited by HouseNdaHouse; 10-26-2009, 10:42 PM.

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          • #6
            formulas

            I'm a little bit confused by what you are saying.

            For duels you take one of each item.

            But for invasions you say that you take only one item for each army member. Is that correct? So a person with a 501 army doesn't need 501 of each item, but rather 501 total?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by i_am_me View Post
              I'm a little bit confused by what you are saying.

              For duels you take one of each item.

              But for invasions you say that you take only one item for each army member. Is that correct? So a person with a 501 army doesn't need 501 of each item, but rather 501 total?
              For duels you take one of each type of item: weapon, shield, helmet, armor, amulet, spell.

              For invasions you take one unit, one item, and one magic for each member of your army (providing you have enough).

              Here is a link for a visual example. click here
              The enjoyment of the game is becoming the best, not necessarily being the best. - SirTaylor

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              • #8
                Thats good to know because I had heard otherwise.

                The other thing I've been wondering about is how att/def stats are counted for dueling. I've seen the formula for invading, but not for dueling. Are they as important for dueling?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by i_am_me View Post
                  The other thing I've been wondering about is how att/def stats are counted for dueling. I've seen the formula for invading, but not for dueling. Are they as important for dueling?
                  Att/def stats are always important no matter how you battle. Its just that when dueling, its important to get the best items possible, not massive amounts of items.
                  The enjoyment of the game is becoming the best, not necessarily being the best. - SirTaylor

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                  • #10
                    Do we actually have the formula or is all this information just gathered from what people have calculated?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by HouseNdaHouse View Post
                      3. Your best generals up to a max of 100 (1 general per 5 army units).
                      Thank you! You are one of the very few people who actually know how generals are used in invasions. Most people seem to think they can use 101 generals, not that it makes much difference. No one has close to 100 generals right now anyway lol

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by i_am_me View Post
                        Do we actually have the formula or is all this information just gathered from what people have calculated?
                        Only the devs have the actual formula. However, we know that for invasions, attack and defense are multiplied by your army size (up to 501) and for duels, it is not.
                        The Dueler Strategy Guide | The Invader Strategy Guide
                        "Sophia Dragonhunter {ℜ}", level 321 Baroness
                        130 Energy, 971 Stamina, 400 Attack, 26 Defense, 100 Health

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by i_am_me View Post
                          I'm a little bit confused by what you are saying.

                          For duels you take one of each item.

                          But for invasions you say that you take only one item for each army member. Is that correct? So a person with a 501 army doesn't need 501 of each item, but rather 501 total?
                          Find the post Sophia Dragonhunter created on dueling... I don't have that one stickied in my stuff yet.

                          edit: look at her signature she has a link there.

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                          • #14
                            My guide is only about how to build a successful dueler, it does not explain how duels work. I will add that section now though, if it's going to be referencied often. Thanks =P
                            The Dueler Strategy Guide | The Invader Strategy Guide
                            "Sophia Dragonhunter {ℜ}", level 321 Baroness
                            130 Energy, 971 Stamina, 400 Attack, 26 Defense, 100 Health

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                            • #15
                              House,
                              Thanks for taking the time to share this. Some people *do* actually read thru the threads B4 asking questions.

                              I already understood this (pretty much) but your explanation makes it very clear. I am now dreaming of attack/def stats in the 500-800 range !!! And I had NO idea it would be possible to attain 100 generals. ::::: drool :::::

                              Originally posted by HouseNdaHouse View Post
                              I see 20+ threads a day posted with "tell me why I lost pwz??" and they show how they have a larger army, higher level, better units, better generals, etc, etc... and the answer is the same EVERY SINGLE TIME! .............

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