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  • Colosseum matching still garbage

    Reall? "We will arrange similar-tier opponents for you" means putting my lvl 500-something on a team w/ 2 lvl 40s, a lvl 900, and 1 lvl 1000 while having to face 4 lvl 1000s and a lvl 2000?!?!? What a load of crap...
    Last edited by Diophilous; 06-11-2020, 06:08 PM.

  • #2
    It will be this way till the big guns rank up and disappear from your target tier.
    Give it a week or two.
    Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Fadasmax View Post
      It will be this way till the big guns rank up and disappear from your target tier.
      Give it a week or two.
      Last season it was the way I stated all season long. I never gained a single star because putting lvl 500s up against lvl 1000+ is just f*@ck!ng asinine. I'm sure this season won't be any different.

      Here is how to play in Colosseum for low lvl players:
      1) Enter random team
      2) Wait to join
      3) Use 1 coin so you get your 90 points
      4) Go do something useful while you wait for the other team full of enemies you'll never be able to touch to finish sodomizing your team.
      5) Rinse & Repeat
      Last edited by Diophilous; 06-12-2020, 05:50 PM.

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      • #4
        You're absolutely right about that.
        Only way for low levels to somewhat rank up is join a team of a much higher level active toon and benefit from his progress.
        Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Fadasmax View Post
          Only way for low levels to somewhat rank up is join a team of a much higher level active toon and benefit from his progress.
          Getting luck like a blind squirrel doesn't make up for the fact that the devs think it's either fair or, most likely, just funny, to put lvl 500s up against a whole team of 1000+.

          As to "joining a team" - high lvl players aren't going to want to purposely handicap their teams with low lvl players so low lvl players can ONLY join random teams which, in my experience, is a death sentence. And who in their right mind wants to make a team of a bunch of players under lvl 1000?!? They'll just end up as easy wins against teams of unicorns that win in about 23.7 seconds.

          Obviously, Colosseum is just a giant sop to the PtPers.

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          • #6
            That's the issue with the ranks being so hard to grind. I've already reported this to the devs last season, and they did change a few things, but definitely not enough.

            The first ranks should be much easier to climb so stronger players would leave them quickly and lower level players could get better matches.

            Ofc another solution would be to create a "junior Colosseum" like a junior Arena exists, but I'm not sure that would be the best solution. Or there should be better rewards for the main Colosseum then, otherwise it wouldn't really be fair IMO.
            An issue with this would be: what's the level cutoff? There are some players at level 1000 which are extremely weak, and some other that are quite strong already. Same at lower levels, and pretty much at all levels basically.
            So what other factor could we use to determine who goes to which Colosseum version?
            I find it better that everyone goes to the same Colosseum, but it should be made much easier/quicker for all players to naturally reach a rank where they'll start fighting against only players of similar strength.
            Last edited by gogoo; 06-13-2020, 08:47 PM.

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            • #7
              Level is very misleading. I can beat Kroki and I’m more than 10k below him for example.

              The good news about colo is that you don’t lose points in Bronze (maybe Silver too) so just out of random luck you’ll be placed on teams that win and eventually move up.

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              • #8
                Plus
                -Big improvement to not lose a star when you lose a battle.

                Negative
                - less than level 500 participants. Automatically do the C by Level, not current tier.

                Improvements -

                1. - Switch from Tier to Level - Upon joining, the computer automatically assesses your game level and places you in the appropriate Colosseum based on the breakdown of the following level tiers:

                - Level 0 - 1000 - Newbie
                - Level 1001 - 1999 - Apprentice
                - Level 2000 - 2999 - Journeyman
                - Level 3000 - 3999 - Tradesman
                - Level 4000 - 4999 - Master
                - Level 5000 - 7499 - Lord
                - Level 7500 plus - Ruler

                Should have no more complaints with the mismatches in levels as it would no longer be a tier based system. People who are tagging now will have to fight to earn their stars. Should increase participation. Would also break many of the current teams and force players to team up with players their own level and not "carry" low level taggers.

                2. Players must participate after tagging one battle, meaning, if they do not participate, except to join the battle, they will have to attack at least once during their next battle, or forfeit a star. It should be an entire Tier, but that might be too harsh and cause players to quit. It would clean up taggers.
                Meristolis, Keeper of Lore

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by meristolis View Post
                  Improvements -

                  1. - Switch from Tier to Level - Upon joining, the computer automatically assesses your game level and places you in the appropriate Colosseum based on the breakdown of the following level tiers:

                  - Level 0 - 1000 - Newbie
                  - Level 1001 - 1999 - Apprentice
                  - Level 2000 - 2999 - Journeyman
                  - Level 3000 - 3999 - Tradesman
                  - Level 4000 - 4999 - Master
                  - Level 5000 - 7499 - Lord
                  - Level 7500 plus - Ruler
                  We've already established that level is a bad way to separate players.

                  I can beat level 10k+ at level 1.5k (and I'm not even a PvP build). There are also many level 2k stronger than level 4k+. Etc, etc, etc.

                  Furthermore, separating players like this would mean longer queue times, and for the higher levels, they probably wouldn't even be able to find matches. Btw there are not even 10 players at level 7.5k+, so even if they all played Colo at the same time they wouldn't be enough to make 2 teams to fight.
                  Last edited by gogoo; 06-14-2020, 09:26 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by gogoo View Post

                    We've already established that level is a bad way to separate players.

                    I can beat level 10k+ at level 1.5k (and I'm not even a PvP build). There are also many level 2k stronger than level 4k+. Etc, etc, etc.

                    Furthermore, separating players like this would mean longer queue times, and for the higher levels, they probably wouldn't even be able to find matches. Btw there are not even 10 players at level 7.5k+, so even if they all played Colo at the same time they wouldn't be enough to make 2 teams to fight.
                    It doesn't matter that you can beat a player much higher than you. Again, it doesn't matter. You will simply be ranked Number 1 in your Colo and receive the appropriate prizes. Simple, easy, no fuss, no muss. You mention the limited number of higher ranking players. Again, simply make it level 3500 +, or 3000+ for the highest level tier. Easy, simple, and would eliminate all the Colo crap going on which makes it unenjoyable., . . .
                    Meristolis, Keeper of Lore

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by meristolis View Post

                      It doesn't matter that you can beat a player much higher than you. Again, it doesn't matter. You will simply be ranked Number 1 in your Colo and receive the appropriate prizes.
                      I don't understand your logic here.

                      There are much stronger players than me at my level btw. It's just that the level 10k is extremely weak compared to his level.
                      And I'm sure many strong players at lower levels want to show their strength and be matched against players of higher levels that they can beat.

                      IMO making Colosseum based on levels would be a mistake.
                      Or maybe making a "very low level" tier for players with level <300 or smth, to avoid all low level bots. And maybe a 2nd tier for players with level <1000 e.g. And all players above that together. But 2 issues: how do you determine the level cutoff (why level 1000?), and the lower tier should receive smaller rewards.

                      IMO what I'm talking about in my previous post still stands: everyone in the same Colosseum, allow much stronger players to climb the first ranks much more easily so weaker players can fight against each other almost exclusively after a week or so.

                      Honestly it should be relatively easy. In the first few days/weeks there's tons of players in Bronze. So they could adjust the matchmaking system during the first few weeks to make it so Bronze III only fights Bronze III, Bronze II fights Bronze II or III, Bronze I fights Bronze I or II. Then Silver III fights Silver III or Bronze I, etc.
                      Or something along those lines. It should make the first few weeks of Colo much better for everyone.

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                      • #12
                        The logic is quite simple, for the life of me, I do not understand why you fail to see how much BETTER the C would be. I said nothing about diminished rewards.Ah well, preaching to the choir again.
                        Meristolis, Keeper of Lore

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by meristolis View Post
                          The logic is quite simple, for the life of me, I do not understand why you fail to see how much BETTER the C would be. I said nothing about diminished rewards.Ah well, preaching to the choir again.
                          Because I don't think it would be better. It's a Colosseum. You should be able to face anyone and show your strength, and let the better player win.

                          There are other ways to make this feature enjoyable to everyone without using arbitrary level cutoffs, especially since level is relatively meaningless in CA nowadays.

                          And I know you didn't say anything about diminished rewards, I did. Because if ever the devs made Colosseum tiers based on level cutoffs, IMO the higher tiers should be eligible for better rewards. Otherwise what's the point of getting stronger, what's the point of leveling, what's the point of spending on the game?
                          But then again, I don't think the level cutoffs thing would be a good thing anyway.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by gogoo View Post

                            Because I don't think it would be better. It's a Colosseum. You should be able to face anyone and show your strength, and let the better player win.

                            There are other ways to make this feature enjoyable to everyone without using arbitrary level cutoffs, especially since level is relatively meaningless in CA nowadays.

                            And I know you didn't say anything about diminished rewards, I did. Because if ever the devs made Colosseum tiers based on level cutoffs, IMO the higher tiers should be eligible for better rewards. Otherwise what's the point of getting stronger, what's the point of leveling, what's the point of spending on the game?
                            But then again, I don't think the level cutoffs thing would be a good thing anyway.
                            so in other words.....let the pay to play player win??...ya...that's right....spend to win should be the message here

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RABID View Post

                              so in other words.....let the pay to play player win??...ya...that's right....spend to win should be the message here
                              Most of the players at the top have spent tens of thousands or most likely hundreds of thousands of $ to reach those levels with a BSI build with smth like 1000 stam and 2000 energy.

                              They'll always be infinitely stronger than me and I'm completely fine with that. More than that - it's normal that it works that way. Otherwise there would be no point in spending, and the game wouldn't even exist to begin with, because they have to make money somehow.

                              I'm still having fun with my account and I don't need to spend anything. I'm grateful for that. I'm OK with not getting the top rewards of every event.

                              But if someone level 300 could get the top rewards even though he's 100x weaker than I am, simply because he's in a low Colosseum tier, while I can just reach Gold, I wouldn't find it fair.

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