FP Generals Coming to the Oracle soon!

[Flarin]

This feature is in our upcoming features list, however we've been receiving a number of emails to our customer support inbox and we wanted to touch bases.

It's currently being worked on and we're hoping to have the feature available in the near future. Just hang tight, folks ;)

[pi3142]

Will it like the FB allow all the previous generals or just those below our level like in the other list? e.g. At 180, you can only get generals from 1-17? In the interest of levelling out the playing field (and making people play and pay for longer) it would be better if it is a selectable of all available generals.

[CastleAgeBrock]

Will it like the FB allow all the previous generals or just those below our level like in the other list? e.g. At 180, you can only get generals from 1-17? In the interest of levelling out the playing field (and making people play and pay for longer) it would be better if it is a selectable of all available generals.

I disagree with this. Making all the generals available wouldn't level out the playing field, it would UN-level the playing field. If I'm a level 25 I have no business being able to buy Kanbe or his gear. A free-spending, low-level CC player shouldn't just be able to buy themselves good gear or top-tier Generals that would allow them to better compete with a player 50-100 levels higher than them.

If anything, this would be detrimental to the Devs anyway, because there'd be no reason for people to buy the early generals at all, except for maybe three or four. I would have never bought Slayer or Kataan or Lyra if I could have just bought Aesir or Maalvus, etc.

[sturick]

I disagree with this. Making all the generals available wouldn't level out the playing field, it would UN-level the playing field. If I'm a level 25 I have no business being able to buy Kanbe or his gear. A free-spending, low-level CC player shouldn't just be able to buy themselves good gear or top-tier Generals that would allow them to better compete with a player 50-100 levels higher than them.

If anything, this would be detrimental to the Devs anyway, because there'd be no reason for people to buy the early generals at all, except for maybe three or four. I would have never bought Slayer or Kataan or Lyra if I could have just bought Aesir or Maalvus, etc.

But FB players can do this.

I personally don't care which way it goes...I have some FP's saved up either way.

[Shadowbugger]

Will Memnon be available on the version?

[ZionAngel]

@CastleAgeBrock: I agree with you. But FB players are already using the system to access generals at any level. We are bound to play with FB players on iOS so I don't see why we should give us more disadvantage than we already have. iOS should be able to access any generals just like FB can. It's just a question of balancing the game FB vs iOS. As if iOS was not already far behind FB...

[Vanray]

Is there any way for the developers keep the current system that unlocks a new general every 10 levels, but build in a shop that allows you to buy generals you've already unlocked? For example, a lv120 could buy Barbarus but not Maalvus.

Facebook direct buy links would have to be somehow disabled (unless the player was at a high enough level to be able to buy that general anyway).

[markusmaximus]

Is there any way for the developers keep the current system that unlocks a new general every 10 levels, but build in a shop that allows you to buy generals you've already unlocked? For example, a lv120 could buy Barbarus but not Maalvus.

Facebook direct buy links would have to be somehow disabled (unless the player was at a high enough level to be able to buy that general anyway).

I think this is a great suggestion!

[pi3142]

If I'm a level 25 I have no business being able to buy Kanbe or his gear. A free-spending, low-level CC player shouldn't just be able to buy themselves good gear or top-tier Generals that would allow them to better compete with a player 50-100 levels higher than them.


If they can compete with players 50-100 levels above, this by definition _levels_ the playing field. If they want to spend their money, then let them, because it gives the devs more incentives to develop new stuff.

We will reach a saturation point (3-4 generals) like you said, but _more_ people will be buying them. They release better ones, people will buy them directly too. I know I don't buy the lower generals because there are better ones around the corner and I just sit on my FPs. It's all about value for money. Once people see value, they will buy. Maalvus is a great buy, even though Orc King is better for the same job because they can get guranteed value. Kanbe is the same.

[CastleAgeBrock]

It just boils down to the point of whether or not you want to make this game as competitive as possible for ALL people, not just the free spenders. As someone who never spent money on FP, who then went a little crazy on FP spending, to now being much more infrequent, I have seen the game from all sides of the FP coin. If players are told up front "Sure the game is free but if you want to be able to compete, you're going to have to spend a fair amount of money to stock up on decent Generals or gear" then I guess it's ok.

But if you want to operate under the delusion that people who want to play for free can end up playing competitively, you have to employ Vanray's suggestion of limiting the available purchases to the ones that you've already unlocked. I have never been a low enough level while trying to buy FP gens to know that you can or can't purchase Kanbe at Lvl 25, but I have seen low level players who have him so I have to assume that's true, and that's really a shame.

I guess it's like playing Mario and using the Warp zones or the Warp whistles... its obviously not cheating, but you're cheating yourself a bit by skipping ahead in the game. What's the hurry? We should never be able to buy Generals that are so much stronger than our level/place in the game dictates.

But that's more a general commentary on the game, not on the FP Oracle set up. And it's just my opinion :)

[baxter411]

I guess it's like playing Mario and using the Warp zones or the Warp whistles... its obviously not cheating, but you're cheating yourself a bit by skipping ahead in the game. What's the hurry? We should never be able to buy Generals that are so much stronger than our level/place in the game dictates.

But that's more a general commentary on the game, not on the FP Oracle set up. And it's just my opinion :)


slow and steady may not always win, but it's not really a race after all, is it? and slow and steady also gets to take in the sights and enjoy the journey more.

i'm going to agree with van and brock that we should only be able to purchase what generals we have unlocked in relation to our level. i'm an ios player as well...and i think most of us ios players would disagree with me. i know plenty ios guys who want their hands on kanbe, vanir and aesir

[bluesky]

what's this fuss about...? honestly, if it's available in fb ca, then make it available in fb ios.

[Ajentis]

Technically it's not available in facebook to buy generals above your level.. It's just that a hard link exists for that genral.
A player would have to obtain the link from an outside source, be provided with a direct link or manipulate an existing link to make that purchase.
Even CA tools have introduced a drop down menu for previous generals but what is listed is limited to those a player has unlocked (maybe they can help the devs with this).

EDIT: Also technically speaking, a player too low level to purchase a general has never been provided the link to buy it by CA and therefore can be construed as cheating. (Oh dear, i said the word cheating. Wonder what will happen now)

[mcderpferp]

When one of you said, a lvl 120 player can buy barbarus, not maalvus, this made me laugh at how ironic it was, cause I'm lvl 119 and I have maalvus

[sturick]

When one of you said, a lvl 120 player can buy barbarus, not maalvus, this made me laugh at how ironic it was, cause I'm lvl 119 and I have maalvus

Yes, laugh at the plight of the lowly iOS players. :(

[pi3142]

slow and steady may not always win, but it's not really a race after all, is it? and slow and steady also gets to take in the sights and enjoy the journey more.

i know plenty ios guys who want their hands on kanbe, vanir and aesir

Remember, CA doesn't really have sights - it's more of a click and point type thing, the interface is pretty bland as far as OS games go. You equip the best and then hope for the best.

We just want to even out the playing field. Going up in guilds against FB players with all those generals even though you are struggling through the lower levels doesn't help longevity. You just get pissed off and leave, which doesn't do any one any real good.

[Mocha Jo]

I have a fb ca acct and one on iPad. (still not entirely sure how that happened since I was trying to play my fb character). I know that Dolomar is coming along down the line- I just won't buy a lower level general and wait for the one I want to unlock. I'd love it if I could buy what I already know I want, but I'm not wasting my fps.

[Awerththawre]

They have now stopped fb players buying generals above their lvls as the direct links no longer work. Which is a nice change and good for the iOS accounts.

[Stegrego]

Is that permanent or just a current glitch? Bit like bolting stable door after horse gone. They need to open up all for IOS not close the FB links.

I doubt they have done this as they would loose out on all the FP people buy to get the generals.

[baxter411]

most ios players will not agree with me...and i am an ios player, but i believe that all generals should be locked by level. it is imbalanced to buy a general at level 10 that's better than the level 100 chests.

by allowing level 10's to buy kanbe's, they will encourage people to tag monsters they cannot properly contribute to.

of course, this will put $ in the dev's pockets, which is an argument for unlocking oracle generals, but i see it as a weak point because people will just front-load all their purchases and if they get bored, will quit as opposed to fostering long-term players by keeping them from buying everything as soon as they can get the fp in their account

[Balsagna]

They have now stopped fb players buying generals above their lvls as the direct links no longer work. Which is a nice change and good for the iOS accounts.

This does nothing because it's been available forever and most facebook accounts have Kanbe or Aesir or something. If you really want to make it good for the iOS accounts allow it to be available to iOS players for a while so we can get the heroes as well. FB users have enough crippling advantages over iOS players, taking away oracle heroes doesn't help me.

[Awerththawre]

I think the idea is after all this time to start making the game fairer.. Yes, maybe too little to late but with all the new players who are transferring iOS to fb accounts, this is the best time (if there was one) to finally kerb the you can be lvl 10 with a lvl 450 general approach. Tbh it is nice to see.

[Balsagna]

If they want to make the game more fair then they should allow iOS users the same ability to buy high level heroes. Anything less just continues the divide between iOS and FB users. That or make it so you can not use any purchased heroes if you do not fit the level requirement. This does not solve or help the problem.

[Awerththawre]

Most iOS players are aware of the differences though and therefore have created an account on Facebook, iOS will always be at a disadvantage to Facebook account through the fact that the Facebook interface has been around so much longer, this is really the start of the next generation of ca players, the app has brought a lot of people in, the developers seem to have woken up, and want to sort things out. You never know maybe with the general store it won't be lvl based, we'll find out soon though ;)

[baxter411]

if the devs allow iOS to buy unlocked oracle generals for a set time, what's to keep players from asking for extensions?

for example:
'i was on vacation and missed the window of opportunity to buy whatever hero i wanted, can you extend the time frame?'

there could be a multitude of excuses like the one above(most likely lies anyway) and it's actually going to hurt the game in the long run because people who join up later are going to want the same preferential treatment.

it's better to just cut it off now and let the game go on as it is. if you had played on fb long before, that is your reward for playing on that platform x amount of time. if you play on iOS that was your decision.

sure it doesn't help that we are matched up against much higher leveled players with better everything, but if you don't like it, then quit? no one is keeping you here. i made peace with that fact already(like being chained constantly by iOS players with fb alts in the level 400's because i can defeat their baby iOS alts with iOS account. i only have 1 account, btw). i enjoy this game for what it is and if the devs have made a decision it's going to be that way.

not saying you can't change their minds, but it's going to take a gang of you to petition for it and not only that, but they just implemented a level locked system. i don't see them reverting back any time soon

[Balsagna]

I'm so glad yOu came to terms with it Baxter. Let me just accept it and move on. Get over yourself.

Want to make it fair? Here. Make it so that Facebook users can not use their purchased Heroes until they reach the required level. There ya go, problem solved. You can either bridge the gap between the two games or not your choice but I think Facebook users should come to grips with the fact that the future of this game and all games like it is on the phone. I'm sure the developers see that as well.

Give me oracle heroes or take them away from Facebook. Sounds fair to me

[Awerththawre]

That's not a bad idea, lock down time. It might be less of an uproar though to refund the fp to those that are now to low to use them and remove those generals from said players, you would also have to return any crystals on those generals. A lot of work but would make it fairer ;)

[baxter411]

balsagna that's your issue. just because you didn't start 2-3 years ago and accumulate the playing experience and generals that those people who did, doesn't mean you should elevate someone who has spent 3 months playing to that same level.

i hope you can understand that instead of attacking me you should attack my argument.

[Padaxan]

Generals will remain level locked, merely accessible at all times (once you reach the appropriate level). FB will also get "actual" treatment/UI instead of using hotlinks down the road.

Didn't read the entire thread, but maybe that answer helps. Or doesn't. :eek:

[Ajentis]

Is that permanent or just a current glitch? Bit like bolting stable door after horse gone. They need to open up all for IOS not close the FB links.

I doubt they have done this as they would loose out on all the FP people buy to get the generals.

It's definitely permanent, if it was a glitch it would effect all links and all generals.
Besides closing them means generals like barbarus and slayer are viable purchases again. A player may even buy Kataan.

If they want to make the game more fair then they should allow iOS users the same ability to buy high level heroes. Anything less just continues the divide between iOS and FB users. That or make it so you can not use any purchased heroes if you do not fit the level requirement. This does not solve or help the problem.

The level lock down is the fairest way to do it. Ok so you missed out on your opportunity to get a general you shouldn't be able to, but saying you should be able to get them because someone else has isn't a viable arguement.. it's actually quite a spoilt approach.

The level lock means the generals issue will balance itself out over time as players level. Those that bought him early will eventually reach that level and will only own generals tha are currently unlocked to them.
Sure doing this sooner would have been a better time, but doing this any later would have been worse.

[Ajentis]

I'm so glad yOu came to terms with it Baxter. Let me just accept it and move on. Get over yourself.

Want to make it fair? Here. Make it so that Facebook users can not use their purchased Heroes until they reach the required level. There ya go, problem solved. You can either bridge the gap between the two games or not your choice but I think Facebook users should come to grips with the fact that the future of this game and all games like it is on the phone. I'm sure the developers see that as well.

Give me oracle heroes or take them away from Facebook. Sounds fair to me

Saying that it wouldn't be unfair for the devs to put that padlock over the equip button as it was actually cheating that they got it. They would still feature in their army but i guess the stat difference there can be fairly moot to the result. No refund necessary (insert devil horn smiley here)

That's not a bad idea, lock down time. It might be less of an uproar though to refund the fp to those that are now to low to use them and remove those generals from said players, you would also have to return any crystals on those generals. A lot of work but would make it fairer ;)
They can uproar all they want. Kinda like a drug addict arguing he doesn't get his money back when his drugs get confiscated.

[Awerththawre]

Generals will remain level locked, merely accessible at all times (once you reach the appropriate level). FB will also get "actual" treatment/UI instead of using hotlinks down the road.

Didn't read the entire thread, but maybe that answer helps. Or doesn't. :eek:

Thanks for clearing that up :) Are you going to lvl lock the generals people already have aswell?

[Balsagna]

balsagna that's your issue. just because you didn't start 2-3 years ago and accumulate the playing experience and generals that those people who did, doesn't mean you should elevate someone who has spent 3 months playing to that same level.

i hope you can understand that instead of attacking me you should attack my argument.

I'm not attacking you I'm attacking the point where you tell me you have come to grips with it so I should to (I'm assuming that's why you said it after all what's the point if not). Whether or not someone has played for 3
Months or not is not the point I am making, the point I am making is that FB users have all sorts of advantages against ios players and i think it is about time to try to reduce that gap. Having level 400 heroes at level 20 is a problem. We already have enough disadvantages, stopping Facebook users who already have all the heroes they could want from purchasing any further is not helping it just continues the gigantic divide between the two player bases.

I am not saying to take the heroes away. They will still be used in councils and for the purpose of invasions, but those heroes should not be able to be equipped as your main hero in Facebook or iOS unless you have reached the required level. This would instantly bridge the gap instantly between iOS and Facebook players somewhat. I enjoy this game. As someone who firmly believe the future of this game and expansion of this game is solely dependent on phone users (let's be honest, phones are the future of this game..) they should try to placate us somewhat. As you said, the Facebook players who have been playing for 2-3 year...they aren't going anywhere. The phone users who are getting tired of the rampant Imbalance between the two games on the other hand could. After all they don't have near the time investment.

Lock the heroes based on level. If you've purchased a hero above your level do not allow them to be equipped as your main hero unless you have reached the level requirement. This instantly makes things more fair and I am sure would make ios users happy.

[sturick]

I think people need to get over the whole general thing. It will be locked down going forward and eventually things will even out.

And all of these suggestions to block access to generals already purchased is folly. It isn't as simple as flipping a switch and access to the general is removed like magic. The devs have their hands full as it is with patching the demi quests and dealing with the lockups on iOS right now.

[baxter411]

I'm not attacking you I'm attacking the point where you tell me you have come to grips with it so I should to (I'm assuming that's why you said it after all what's the point if not). Whether or not someone has played for 3
Months or not is not the point I am making, the point I am making is that FB users have all sorts of advantages against ios players and i think it is about time to try to reduce that gap. Having level 400 heroes at level 20 is a problem. We already have enough disadvantages, stopping Facebook users who already have all the heroes they could want from purchasing any further is not helping it just continues the gigantic divide between the two player bases.

I am not saying to take the heroes away. They will still be used in councils and for the purpose of invasions, but those heroes should not be able to be equipped as your main hero in Facebook or iOS unless you have reached the required level. This would instantly bridge the gap instantly between iOS and Facebook players somewhat. I enjoy this game. As someone who firmly believe the future of this game and expansion of this game is solely dependent on phone users (let's be honest, phones are the future of this game..) they should try to placate us somewhat. As you said, the Facebook players who have been playing for 2-3 year...they aren't going anywhere. The phone users who are getting tired of the rampant Imbalance between the two games on the other hand could. After all they don't have near the time investment.

Lock the heroes based on level. If you've purchased a hero above your level do not allow them to be equipped as your main hero unless you have reached the level requirement. This instantly makes things more fair and I am sure would make ios users happy.

while i don't agree with everything you've said here, the last thing you said is a viable option. however, what to do for those people who have already spent the fp and have their heroes locked? nothing? that's going to make over 50% of the player base pretty angry....

[wanderingstar13]

Can you give me the address of the customer support inbox?

[wanderingstar13]

This is awesome news for those of us who "missed" our chance to buy key generals.

[atDEAD]

yes. it's good news. but I don't wanna buy any generals lower than my lvl.

[Shadowbugger]

During my guild battle last night I saw a level 74 player with a general with a player level 420 general

[pi3142]

During my guild battle last night I saw a level 74 player with a general with a player level 420 general

Considering generals generally make up less than 10% of your attack, this can be easily overcome.

[baxter411]

i was about to say something, but then i realized a 74 even with aesir couldn't have enough attack to make that 4% boost to eATK worthwhile.

are we even sure that piercing/elementals have any effect while in FGB/GB? the fb forum section is trying to figure this out currently, i think.

[Unlinked]

this is all stupid. I am level 350 and I cannot buy Sanna!!!! I can summon big monsters, but I am not allowed to buy adequate heros!!! If you want to make a game fair, than you should open a set of heros per level and leave it open for future purchase.