To the playerbase, forumites, and the Devs**

[adam ahman]

This thread will say it all...I won't need to post again. ;)
I've been trolling the forums since I stopped playing and from what I see, slow-leveling pvps in general are happy, happy that they can finally catch the farmers. Your playstyle still sucks to me, and you got lucky that the Devs nerfed the farmers THATS ALL! :rolleyes: (no offense SDhawk, Mursilis, Wraith and those others...you know who you are) <<< I still got nothing but love for ya'll! :o
If this makes the average slow-leveler happy...good, although if that what gets you off how sad...lol!
Don't expect that something like this won't happen to you in another way in the future.
Most long term, less cynical players will understand.

Why most players stick around at this point is beyond me??
I will state this as my final reason:
I did not quit because of the nerf...I quit because of the Devs!
You can't trust them as far a you can throw them.
There only out to get your money...thats it!
They don't care about you, your kids, your spouse, your problems.
They get their enjoyment out of getting your money and making themselves rich!!
If this is their game, they can have this great game that they have ****..up! I can get an infraction for this...who cares...I will only be trolling from here on out, if at all.
I don't trust the Devs, and they don't care anyways...corruption at its best!
The joke was on me til I stopped playing.
Not sure how I can put all I want to say into this post...
I'm bitter, outraged, sad about how all this has turned out.
The flamers will flame, and my friends will understand.
Have fun playing this game if it still brings you satisfaction.
But remember also, time...its something none of us can get back...you remember that the next time your waiting for your energy/stamina to regenerate...

Devs: You have to make your money right?
Your greed doesn't make you a bad person, but it drove off this player.
Had you kept it real and really cared about your players, I would have spent thousands more on your game for years to come...now you don't get a da..mn thing!
Money lost forever...and in the end thats what you deserve...! :cool:

[hane]

there's so much sad in this post that it leaked into me :(

[Strider the Rogue]

I've always maintained my stance... when it's not fun anymore... I'll quit... as for today... it's still fun for me...

As for money grabbing "greedy Devs" out only to get our money... haven't we all establish that CA is a business; and as for every other business, isn't that what businesses do? trying to get their customer's money?
Well unless there's something out there that has changed about having a business...

As for "time" well... I only played around 10 minutes in the morning and 10 minutes in the night (1 hour if I decided to join the festival battles)

I'm sorry Adam... I have the utmost respect for you... but... ahh well probably rage got the best of you, and I understand the rage...
Best of luck to you! :)

[☾Ìñṡἅṋḭẗḕḕ☽]

I don't understand this Favor Point issue. I make ..... you know what I better not say because it will be nerfed :p

[Freedom Fighter]

I did not quit because of the nerf...I quit because of the Devs!
You can't trust them as far a you can throw them.
There only out to get your money...thats it!
They don't care about you, your kids, your spouse, your problems.


Oh my gosh! I always thought they made this game because they cared about me, my kids, my spouse, my problems, my pet parrot... now I am gonna have to quit too! :(

[prking1988]

this really is messed up, people were having their fun devs were making their money, now devs decided that they want more money and screwd over all the players that have been spending alot of money on the game by making their style of playing impossible any longer

[SDHawk]

Ya know, I was gonna delete this thread just on principle. But because of the way some of the things said hit me, I decided not to. As stated before, I never expected the devs to care about my pets, I always knew they were out to get my money, I know that Im not happy because of the loss the farmers took, and that now I can catch them either. Since I realized what the farmer build was doing, I have ignored them because they are playing a different game than I am. There is no farmer on the planet that I want to catch and beat. Mursilis? Thats a different matter altogether :)

You are right. Time IS something you can never get back. This is the main reason I LIKE natural regen. If it were not for natural regen I WOULD HAVE TO PLAY THIS CRAZY GAME 24/7.

Not understanding why peeps stick around at this point is probably most of what drove you out of the game. Not the nerf, not the devs either. So I think I will just leave this little childish temper tantrum here for the world to see :)
I got nuttin but love for you too Adam, but damn that rant sounded silly :)

PS: You might wanna hold the retirement a bit longer. If those stats are accurate, I will be back to breaking you in a couple months :p

[RAUKO]

Who will write Arena chronicles now? :(

[Strider the Rogue]

I admire and respect Adam... I disagree with him on his original post here... but I understand why he is angry... and out of respect, can we please just delete this thread?

I don't want this thread grow to be a mockery of him just because he has a moment of anger.

[prking1988]

I admire and respect Adam... I disagree with him on his original post here... but I understand why he is angry... and out of respect, can we please just delete this thread?

I don't want this thread grow to be a mockery of him just because he has a moment of anger.

clearly he is old enough to be responsible for his own actions, and some people agree with his post so why would it be deleted?

[warghoul]

Are the devs only out for our money? Of course them and the devs of every other game on freaking Facebook. He seems to forget the main reason why most of us still play this game. It's the friends we've made along the way that keeps us around

[Alex007]

Yep ... if it ain't fun, I won't play. Right now, I'm having a ball with all the new stuff that is coming out! :)

[rodpud]

nerfing the farmers was a kick i get that... i am not a fp farmer just not my style but there are thousands of players who are and i always admired the amount of time they put in to do so... CA should at least give u 1 fp per each time u level like some other fb games do... that would at least help ease peoples tensions...

i wont comment other than that on Adams OP because i truly understand why many long time big players are upset and done with the devs. I was just about at that point myself until i had a good encounter with them and it helped ease my mind a bit and now im just hanging with my friends that i have made and trying not to get caught back up in all this for now

[kenster]

Somehow, the nerf killed it for me. I never farmed big, usually I hit 20 serpents in between slow kill monsters. But just knowing I am no longer able to stock up on some free FP to refill if it ever should be necessary has dimished my pleasure greatly. The FP Farmer serpent buffet is closed, which was my main source for serpents, and a great place to get some serpies dead quickly. When I found out about the serpent buffet, it opened up a whole new world. I changed my build towards it very slowly, in order to buy a monhtly I would like, or save for a chest roll or a refill. I rarely used the refill, but it was nice to know I had it in case I needed it, now I have 23 FP laying around I don't dare to use because I can't replenish it.

The nerf would never hit me directly since I could not farm more than lets say 5 FP a day, but my fellow farmers closing all their groups is what has killed me in the end. Buying FP is no option, since I always want value for my money, and some pixelated junk is not good value, but that is just my opinion.

Now, I don't know what I'm doing on CA anymore, I always find a decent Typhonus to hit, I dump my stamina, pray, log off and don't care what happens anymore. I have been sick these last few days (hence why I never answered in the "Know your spammers; Kenster"-topic which I'll do tomorrow).

I can't even imagine what the people whose playstyle was purely farming must be feeling, but right now, I am just using stamina in case I would get my feel for the game again. But right now, I could quit and not care to be honest.

[kenster]

This thread will say it all...I won't need to post again. ;)
I've been trolling the forums since I stopped playing and from what I see, slow-leveling pvps in general are happy, happy that they can finally catch the farmers. Your playstyle still sucks to me, and you got lucky that the Devs nerfed the farmers THATS ALL! :rolleyes: (no offense SDhawk, Mursilis, Wraith and those others...you know who you are) <<< I still got nothing but love for ya'll! :o
If this makes the average slow-leveler happy...good, although if that what gets you off how sad...lol!
Don't expect that something like this won't happen to you in another way in the future.
Most long term, less cynical players will understand.

Why most players stick around at this point is beyond me??
I will state this as my final reason:
I did not quit because of the nerf...I quit because of the Devs!
You can't trust them as far a you can throw them.
There only out to get your money...thats it!
They don't care about you, your kids, your spouse, your problems.
They get their enjoyment out of getting your money and making themselves rich!!
If this is their game, they can have this great game that they have ****..up! I can get an infraction for this...who cares...I will only be trolling from here on out, if at all.
I don't trust the Devs, and they don't care anyways...corruption at its best!
The joke was on me til I stopped playing.
Not sure how I can put all I want to say into this post...
I'm bitter, outraged, sad about how all this has turned out.
The flamers will flame, and my friends will understand.
Have fun playing this game if it still brings you satisfaction.
But remember also, time...its something none of us can get back...you remember that the next time your waiting for your energy/stamina to regenerate...

Devs: You have to make your money right?
Your greed doesn't make you a bad person, but it drove off this player.
Had you kept it real and really cared about your players, I would have spent thousands more on your game for years to come...now you don't get a da..mn thing!
Money lost forever...and in the end thats what you deserve...! :cool:
Good riddance I say by the way, the devs will be glad you're gone, less server load, which is their main problem atm, too much activity. I seriously hope the nerf will give them less activity as they desired.

[Irinasdaddy]

I've always maintained my stance... when it's not fun anymore... I'll quit... as for today... it's still fun for me...

As for money grabbing "greedy Devs" out only to get our money... haven't we all establish that CA is a business; and as for every other business, isn't that what businesses do? trying to get their customer's money?
Well unless there's something out there that has changed about having a business...

As for "time" well... I only played around 10 minutes in the morning and 10 minutes in the night (1 hour if I decided to join the festival battles)

I'm sorry Adam... I have the utmost respect for you... but... ahh well probably rage got the best of you, and I understand the rage...
Best of luck to you! :)

Businesses make more money when customers are happy. I know I've already held off on buying my usual FP's out of solidarity with players and anger at the drug dealer devs. Just sayin'...

[VersionsOfViolence]

Um... I doubt this will be the last of these threads we'll see. Mine will be a hell of a lot funnier though :p

[Zaelle]

I'm just going to go back to doing a slow kill aga per week or so and maybe a random rag/genesis here and there in between. :p

[hetejorn]

I'm just going to go back to doing a slow kill aga per week or so and maybe a random rag/genesis here and there in between. :p

Sweeeeet, I love slowkills :)

[Artanis ver.2]

I got tired of the devs a long time ago. Haven't bought FP since last May. I still put a load on their servers though, and will until the day the servers go down. :p (8,000 combined last May, 8,700 today, yay for free play!! lol)

[Darwin_was_right]

I've actually thought about this some and I've come to what will be do doubt an unpopular conclusion; namely that not all the fault lies with the devs, that a signifigant part of it lies with the full time farmers. I don't believe that farming for FPs to buy refills to farm for more FPs to buy more refills to farm with ad nauseam was the intention of monsters like serpents with generous FP drop rates. They were supposed to be suppliments to help in leveling and reduce the cost of the game but not become the whole game and by using them as such the full time farmers, in concert with the devs not anticipating that such a thing would occur, created the situation. To give a couple real life situations that may or may not be completely applicable; if you go to a buffet and part of the salad line is popcorn shrimp there is nothing to stop you from just filling 2 or 3 plates of shrimp and making that your meal, it is indeed part of the buffet, however if too many people begin doing it you really can't be suprised if the next time you return to the buffet the salad line doesn't have popcorn shrimp on it, after all they were intended to be part of your salad not your entire meal. Another example could be "hospitality centers" at some busineses like auto repair shops if you come in for your oil change and bring all 7 kids with you and eat a dozen donuts between you it's not againts the law, you're a customer and they are provided as a customer service, but if too many people start doing it don't be suprised when the donuts disappear. So now that the free Castle Age donuts (FPs) have disappeared should we really be suprised? And is it really all on the Devs?

[ice9]

This thread will say it all...I won't need to post again. ;)
I've been trolling the forums since I stopped playing and from what I see, slow-leveling pvps in general are happy, happy that they can finally catch the farmers. Your playstyle still sucks to me, and you got lucky that the Devs nerfed the farmers THATS ALL! :rolleyes: (no offense SDhawk, Mursilis, Wraith and those others...you know who you are) <<< I still got nothing but love for ya'll! :o
If this makes the average slow-leveler happy...good, although if that what gets you off how sad...lol!
Don't expect that something like this won't happen to you in another way in the future.
Most long term, less cynical players will understand.

Why most players stick around at this point is beyond me??
I will state this as my final reason:
I did not quit because of the nerf...I quit because of the Devs!
You can't trust them as far a you can throw them.
There only out to get your money...thats it!
They don't care about you, your kids, your spouse, your problems.
They get their enjoyment out of getting your money and making themselves rich!!
If this is their game, they can have this great game that they have ****..up! I can get an infraction for this...who cares...I will only be trolling from here on out, if at all.
I don't trust the Devs, and they don't care anyways...corruption at its best!
The joke was on me til I stopped playing.
Not sure how I can put all I want to say into this post...
I'm bitter, outraged, sad about how all this has turned out.
The flamers will flame, and my friends will understand.
Have fun playing this game if it still brings you satisfaction.
But remember also, time...its something none of us can get back...you remember that the next time your waiting for your energy/stamina to regenerate...

Devs: You have to make your money right?
Your greed doesn't make you a bad person, but it drove off this player.
Had you kept it real and really cared about your players, I would have spent thousands more on your game for years to come...now you don't get a da..mn thing!
Money lost forever...and in the end thats what you deserve...! :cool:
I don't remember what thread it was. It had to have been about a year ago when I 1st joined, someone posted a response to one of Adam's posts and asked if he ever contributed anything useful to the forums. I would say this post answers that along with the rest of them. To be completely honest, I don't contribute much either, but I'm fine with admitting that.

[jjtvdl]

Adam has always scoffed at the slow levelers here. But if you play at 'normal' speed that is on the 288 points regeneration per day u cannot go that fast and will be always well behind the latest (MH)developments. The main point for me is: why do you want to go so fast? What lays there ahead that makes the game more fun?
For me it is to have a strong (not extreme) build at any level and do my bits. The problem with fast-levelers seems to be they can't or don't want to wait, wait for what, what is up there that you exactly want? :cool:

[Defkrot]

Have been playing for about 2 years, lv 515 now and I'm not a big spender (was thinking to spend a little more but...) and with this nerf surely i won't do more refills in a long time. I Gotta say, my days as CA Player are counted. I am an hybrid, loved to Slay monsters with friends and Guild Battles, without those extra FP i'm not enjoying that much as i used before. Devs, one player quitting isn't a big difference, but one per one....

[Defkrot]

Somehow, the nerf killed it for me. I never farmed big, usually I hit 20 serpents in between slow kill monsters. But just knowing I am no longer able to stock up on some free FP to refill if it ever should be necessary has dimished my pleasure greatly. The FP Farmer serpent buffet is closed, which was my main source for serpents, and a great place to get some serpies dead quickly. When I found out about the serpent buffet, it opened up a whole new world. I changed my build towards it very slowly, in order to buy a monhtly I would like, or save for a chest roll or a refill. I rarely used the refill, but it was nice to know I had it in case I needed it, now I have 23 FP laying around I don't dare to use because I can't replenish it.

The nerf would never hit me directly since I could not farm more than lets say 5 FP a day, but my fellow farmers closing all their groups is what has killed me in the end. Buying FP is no option, since I always want value for my money, and some pixelated junk is not good value, but that is just my opinion.

Now, I don't know what I'm doing on CA anymore, I always find a decent Typhonus to hit, I dump my stamina, pray, log off and don't care what happens anymore. I have been sick these last few days (hence why I never answered in the "Know your spammers; Kenster"-topic which I'll do tomorrow).

I can't even imagine what the people whose playstyle was purely farming must be feeling, but right now, I am just using stamina in case I would get my feel for the game again. But right now, I could quit and not care to be honest.

TOTALLY AGREE! wasn't a big farmer, as you only a few serpents in the middle of slow kills and used refills for "regular" monsters in my guild, yes i spend some money before, but now not even a cent! and as you, i could quit today or tomorrow, my fun is significant decreased...

[Freedom Fighter]

Adam has always scoffed at the slow levelers here.

Kinda ironic his stated reason for quitting is because the Devs don't care about him, his family, and his problems. :rolleyes:

[RawrGiovanni]

games are fun, if they arn't fun leave and find a new one, my motto.

[RAUKO]

Somehow, the nerf killed it for me. I never farmed big, usually I hit 20 serpents in between slow kill monsters. But just knowing I am no longer able to stock up on some free FP to refill if it ever should be necessary has dimished my pleasure greatly. The FP Farmer serpent buffet is closed, which was my main source for serpents, and a great place to get some serpies dead quickly. When I found out about the serpent buffet, it opened up a whole new world. I changed my build towards it very slowly, in order to buy a monhtly I would like, or save for a chest roll or a refill. I rarely used the refill, but it was nice to know I had it in case I needed it, now I have 23 FP laying around I don't dare to use because I can't replenish it.

The nerf would never hit me directly since I could not farm more than lets say 5 FP a day, but my fellow farmers closing all their groups is what has killed me in the end. Buying FP is no option, since I always want value for my money, and some pixelated junk is not good value, but that is just my opinion.

Now, I don't know what I'm doing on CA anymore, I always find a decent Typhonus to hit, I dump my stamina, pray, log off and don't care what happens anymore. I have been sick these last few days (hence why I never answered in the "Know your spammers; Kenster"-topic which I'll do tomorrow).

I can't even imagine what the people whose playstyle was purely farming must be feeling, but right now, I am just using stamina in case I would get my feel for the game again. But right now, I could quit and not care to be honest.
I went over Your post without reading it; somehow I assumed You are trashing Adam or something and I wasn't in the mood for that kind of literature. My bad. Maybe it is because I am never sure if You are serious, I expected trolling. I apologize for my prejudices. That said:

It is a very sad post, the one You wrote. If You are serious, and I'll venture a guess that You are, it must be the most depressing one regarding this "event". Maybe because there is no rage or passion or... I don't know. It is like coming to terms with something tragic, that shouldn't happen, but did, out of blue, and everything changed.

I am not a farmer, not any more, not for a very long time. I was, and that was the time when I REALLY played this game... and it was great. When I stopped farming, I left guild, too. For over a year I pray and use regenerated energy and stamina. It is a ritual, it doesn't take long, it is fine, but I am not really playing. I refilled just after the nerf and hit serps, only to see what happens.

Nerf doesn't affect me at this moment - I don't want to farm, but I don't want to totally quit either. I am not afraid that my best in-game friends will disappear - most of them quit completely already, before nerf. Few that still play and farm suffered a heavy blow and I can guess how they feel.

Farmers were good community, and diverse one too. People had different goals, so some farmed a lot, some just a bit. I saw almost all hard core forum PvPers in a serpent at some point, and I saw quite a few heaviest CCers on Skaar here and there.

The game will survive, I am sure. It is a good game. But farming was a working aspect that can not be substituted. Everybody was able to chose the hours and the wage that comes with them. It was wonderful at times.

TL;DR powerful post; some really good writing there.

[tricker]

I've actually thought about this some and I've come to what will be do doubt an unpopular conclusion; namely that not all the fault lies with the devs, that a signifigant part of it lies with the full time farmers. I don't believe that farming for FPs to buy refills to farm for more FPs to buy more refills to farm with ad nauseam was the intention of monsters like serpents with generous FP drop rates. They were supposed to be suppliments to help in leveling and reduce the cost of the game but not become the whole game and by using them as such the full time farmers, in concert with the devs not anticipating that such a thing would occur, created the situation. To give a couple real life situations that may or may not be completely applicable; if you go to a buffet and part of the salad line is popcorn shrimp there is nothing to stop you from just filling 2 or 3 plates of shrimp and making that your meal, it is indeed part of the buffet, however if too many people begin doing it you really can't be suprised if the next time you return to the buffet the salad line doesn't have popcorn shrimp on it, after all they were intended to be part of your salad not your entire meal. Another example could be "hospitality centers" at some busineses like auto repair shops if you come in for your oil change and bring all 7 kids with you and eat a dozen donuts between you it's not againts the law, you're a customer and they are provided as a customer service, but if too many people start doing it don't be suprised when the donuts disappear. So now that the free Castle Age donuts (FPs) have disappeared should we really be suprised? And is it really all on the Devs?
Point taken. However, if the profits from those customers coming to the buffet or auto service exceeds the cost of the shrimp or donuts, wouldn't it be a better business plan to keep the benefits that have held your customers loyalty. Many of the customers may attend the buffet, because the shrimp is offered. With a strict limit on the shrimp, or no shrimp at all, they may choose to dine at the buffet down the street that still has shrimp as an option or the place across town with the crab legs. The rest of the food is alright, but the shrimp brought them in and without the shrimp the price for the buffet is too high.

Both the shrimp and the donuts have an actual measurable direct cost to the owners of their establishments; however, if everyone castle age account was given #X favor points today, it would not be at any direct cost.

[Eternal]

I've actually thought about this some and I've come to what will be do doubt an unpopular conclusion; namely that not all the fault lies with the devs, that a signifigant part of it lies with the full time farmers. I don't believe that farming for FPs to buy refills to farm for more FPs to buy more refills to farm with ad nauseam was the intention of monsters like serpents with generous FP drop rates. They were supposed to be suppliments to help in leveling and reduce the cost of the game but not become the whole game and by using them as such the full time farmers, in concert with the devs not anticipating that such a thing would occur, created the situation. To give a couple real life situations that may or may not be completely applicable; if you go to a buffet and part of the salad line is popcorn shrimp there is nothing to stop you from just filling 2 or 3 plates of shrimp and making that your meal, it is indeed part of the buffet, however if too many people begin doing it you really can't be suprised if the next time you return to the buffet the salad line doesn't have popcorn shrimp on it, after all they were intended to be part of your salad not your entire meal. Another example could be "hospitality centers" at some busineses like auto repair shops if you come in for your oil change and bring all 7 kids with you and eat a dozen donuts between you it's not againts the law, you're a customer and they are provided as a customer service, but if too many people start doing it don't be suprised when the donuts disappear. So now that the free Castle Age donuts (FPs) have disappeared should we really be suprised? And is it really all on the Devs?

The problem is the devs have screwed a lot of player's builds by this nerf, which everyone I believe assumed it would stay this way, or close to it, as it has been like this for years now.

I wouldn't mind it so much if Devs gave you the ability to distribute your SP elsewhere, but they do not of course.

[wraith]

The problem is the devs have screwed a lot of player's builds by this nerf, which everyone I believe assumed it would stay this way, or close to it, as it has been like this for years now.

I wouldn't mind it so much if Devs gave you the ability to distribute your SP elsewhere, but they do not of course.
No, it is not fair to allow stats redistribution.

For players who pumped up stamina/energy, they have used that stamina/energy to gain SPs through quests or levels that they would not have had access to if they did not pump stamina/energy. Why should they be allowed to potentially convert these SPs into Attack or Defense and gain a very gross advantage over people who chose NOT to pursue farming?

Edit: If it is the other way round (players converting A/D into S/E), I would think it's might still be alright, because it provides them with higher LSI to somewhat counteract the effects of the slowed leveling.


Although things had been that way for years, ultimately, it was still a players choice whether he wants to pursue the stamina/energy path and risk having a nerf screw their build over.

[tricker]

No, it is not fair to allow stats redistribution.

For players who pumped up stamina/energy, they have used that stamina/energy to gain SPs through quests or levels that they would not have had access to if they did not pump stamina/energy. Why should they be allowed to potentially convert these SPs into Attack or Defense and gain a very gross advantage over people who chose NOT to pursue farming?

Edit: If it is the other way round (players converting A/D into S/E), I would think it's might still be alright, because it provides them with higher LSI to somewhat counteract the effects of the slowed leveling.


Although things had been that way for years, ultimately, it was still a players choice whether he wants to pursue the stamina/energy path and risk having a nerf screw their build over.
If the game dynamics are studied and a character is built around the known dynamics of the game, either the dynamics of the game should remain constant or minor enough as to not render the build of a character significantly flawed due to the change in the dynamics.

ex. Changing dynamics such that Att vs. Def instead of Aeff vs Deff would greatly change the build of the Canons and Walls.

[Cerbykins]

If the game dynamics are studied and a character is built around the known dynamics of the game, either the dynamics of the game should remain constant or minor enough as to not render the build of a character significantly flawed due to the change in the dynamics.

ex. Changing dynamics such that Att vs. Def instead of Aeff vs Deff would greatly change the build of the Canons and Walls.

Attack and defence haven't always been 100%/70%, they used to be 100%/0%. Absolute. Before my time, but I've heard it around here.

I agree with you, but I'm waiting for the day anyway when the devs mega-buff health and my 100 health build gets an epic beatdown for it. :p (besides in GB)

[ss54]

Although things had been that way for years, ultimately, it was still a players choice whether he wants to pursue the stamina/energy path and risk having a nerf screw their build over.

I can understand that farming is a volatile issue, but it should have been a no-risk; it's been there since the game started.

What would you do if devs took away SPs upon quest completion and demi blessings?
That's the scenario we are in right now.

EDIT: What I love, though, is the devs blatantly lying through their teeth about it 'not affecting most people'. My guess as to which they are referring to the countless alts out there.

[Darwin_was_right]

Point taken. However, if the profits from those customers coming to the buffet or auto service exceeds the cost of the shrimp or donuts, wouldn't it be a better business plan to keep the benefits that have held your customers loyalty. Many of the customers may attend the buffet, because the shrimp is offered. With a strict limit on the shrimp, or no shrimp at all, they may choose to dine at the buffet down the street that still has shrimp as an option or the place across town with the crab legs. The rest of the food is alright, but the shrimp brought them in and without the shrimp the price for the buffet is too high.

Both the shrimp and the donuts have an actual measurable direct cost to the owners of their establishments; however, if everyone castle age account was given #X favor points today, it would not be at any direct cost.

Agreed that it is somewhere between very hard and impossible to find real life analogies for online situations; and let me be 100% clear on this I'm not gloating or in any way happy about the nerf. I have done some minor farming myself since I found that farming and using a refill every other level or so was more enjoyable than not using any stam at all for 3 days to load up in preparation of fighting my next Ambrosia. Furthermore I find it very frustating that while FPs have become a much rarer commonity their value remains the same. The entirety of my point is that it's not 100% on the Devs, they left the door open for unlimited leveling through farming and when too many people went through it they closed the door but perhaps, just perhaps, there is enough fault to go around.

[SDHawk]

ex. Changing dynamics such that Att vs. Def instead of Aeff vs Deff would greatly change the build of the Canons and Walls.

Thats not even remotely similar or relevant. They didnt change the dynamics of stam / eng, they changed something that boosts stam/ eng...a PURCASEABLE ITEM that boosts stam/ eng

In that sense they already have done exactly that with attack / defense: They created Evalice et al.

Please continue

[tricker]

Thats not even remotely similar or relevant. They didnt change the dynamics of stam / eng, they changed something that boosts stam/ eng...a PURCASEABLE ITEM that boosts stam/ eng

In that sense they already have done exactly that with attack / defense: They created Evalice et al.

Please continue
The effective purchase price has now gone up drastically. Similar to increasing the stamina and energy regeneration time to 30 minutes for a player that doesn't use oracle refills. That player would also be limited to <20% of the action they had before the change, unless they bought more FPs to refill more too.

[junglecatdenise]

Never really got into the farming malarkey... i get bored and having to check on 20 monsters a day is tiring, what i used to do a lot is save all the critical skaars that farmers joined and then left for someone else to sort out.

Awww dedums, they've nerfed the FP from farming... am i supposed to feel sorry for you, cos i don't, farmers are essentially exploiting an aspect in the game to get them the same fps as me and i pay for mine and apparently farmers use their fps to save critical monsters (seen this commented somewhere, can't remember where), nope, can't say that i've seen that, they're too busy tagging serpents, hydras, skaars and gennys.

So tell me, alts are against the TOS, password sharing is also... all the many glitches that have occurred and exploited were deemed as cheating, farming fps seems like a glitch to me... and a few of you are quitting because you can't get any more "free" fps, my heart bleeds, truly but suck it up buttercup :-/ Its a game, the devs have never been fair, they give and they take away more... i stay here for my friends, i wish i could stop paying to play, but seeing the desperation of low levelled players critical monsters makes me want to help, knowing that all the "slayers" are using their fps to get all their achievements on conquest and other more worthwhile causes.

So, to end it all, Adam, i didn't know you... you've left because of the devs and not the nerf, really?! A lot of other players will be rage quitting too because of this issue. Seen it all before and they all mainly come back. Ohhh and i know i waste my "time" with this game, but its my time to "waste"

Thank you and carry on :p

[SDHawk]

The effective purchase price has now gone up drastically. Similar to increasing the stamina and energy regeneration time to 30 minutes for a player that doesn't use oracle refills. That player would also be limited to <20% of the action they had before the change, unless they bought more FPs to refill more too.

Sorry: I know we arent sposed to do this, but its relevant here too :)

You are overthinking this ****e ppl. This isnt that kinda game. With the kinda game you guys are trying to box CA up in, there are years of preparation that goes into the entire jigsaw puzzle. Every piece has to fit in with other pieces. Your character progresses from one "stage " to the next and skills learned have to mix with existing content but other pieces fall into place if choices are made that lead to the next stage.

I repeat: This aint that kinda game. This is a facebook clicky game with meandering paths all over the place. Look around. Roads just end here. I can go to my warrior class via 3 different routes. New content and UIs overlapped over the old content and I can use either one at will. Come on peeps, every single one of you people use too much head muscle for this place. Just click the damn buttons already. But careful the ones that say: GET MORE

[junglecatdenise]

Come on peeps, every single one of you people use too much head muscle for this place. Just click the damn buttons already. But careful the ones that say: GET MORE

I really like this bit, a lot :D

[hane]

Thats not even remotely similar or relevant. They didnt change the dynamics of stam / eng, they changed something that boosts stam/ eng...a PURCASEABLE ITEM that boosts stam/ eng

In that sense they already have done exactly that with attack / defense: They created Evalice et al.

Please continue

order of magnitude, SDhawk. 30% transfer is laughable.

if one were to find potential equivalent fubar that devs could do in pvp like they did in fp farming, it'd be something like:
- special promotion! 75% transfer general!
- get the mini general to boost the main general, 99% a-d transfer general!
- for every killshot, you weaken enemy by 1 SP, while you gain +1 SP.
- new feature! available in Oracles. pay 100 fp to purchase blacksmith potion. effect: when pvping, has chance to break enemy equipment "permanently".
- Unhide potion: for 200 fp, you can cast this potion to a target force him out of hiding and reheal for 24 hours.


now, this is real pvp fubar.

[tricker]

Yes, Ðℯℯłḯηⓠüℯηт you and the other slayers have helped saved many failing Skaars, as have I, but many of the taggers in those aren't the routine farmers. They are random taggers including some of the PvP crowd trying to get a "cheap" FP.

Skaars have never been a good farming item for me. On average, I always have to put far more FPs into "farming" Skaars than I ever get out.

[tricker]

BTW when are we going to get a counter part to Evalice?

[SDHawk]

halcyon? I thought that was her counter

[tricker]

halcyon? I thought that was her counter
Halycon counters Xira, right?

[Luxor The Moonprince]

Yes, Ðℯℯłḯηⓠüℯηт you and the other slayers have helped saved many failing Skaars, as have I, but many of the taggers in those aren't the routine farmers. They are random taggers including some of the PvP crowd trying to get a "cheap" FP.

Skaars have never been a good farming item for me. On average, I always have to put far more FPs into "farming" Skaars than I ever get out.


Same for me. Skaar's are always a net loss for me when you consider the amount I hit... and the amount of damage I need to put in for the bad ones.

If a slayer see's an occasional CTA from me and join's... thats their business. Tho I often tell them not to - Im usually just looking for a few clicks before finishing it off.

Responsible farming needs you to realize what you have gained... and reinvest it back into the worthless monsters that arnt going so well.

Irresponsible farmers/taggers/freeloaders are just identified and removed from the groups.

[SDHawk]

yea those are the 25%ers. Guess we need another more powerful like eva

[SDHawk]

order of magnitude, SDhawk. 30% transfer is laughable.

if one were to find potential equivalent fubar that devs could do in pvp like they did in fp farming, it'd be something like:
- special promotion! 75% transfer general!
- get the mini general to boost the main general, 99% a-d transfer general!
- for every killshot, you weaken enemy by 1 SP, while you gain +1 SP.
- new feature! available in Oracles. pay 100 fp to purchase blacksmith potion. effect: when pvping, has chance to break enemy equipment "permanently".
- Unhide potion: for 200 fp, you can cast this potion to a target force him out of hiding and reheal for 24 hours.


now, this is real pvp fubar.

yea. Big apples, little apples, green apples red apples...least they are still apples :)

[Freedom Fighter]

The problem is the devs have screwed a lot of player's builds by this nerf, which everyone I believe assumed it would stay this way, or close to it, as it has been like this for years now.


The Devs didn't screw up builds, they merely took away the ability to FP farm perpetually and thus level indefinitely. If everyone really thought it would stay this way, why are farmers so hush hush about making FP farming posts in the forums? They obviously didn't believe it would stay this way, all they wanted was to milk it as long as possible before it gets changed eventually.

[Freedom Fighter]

I agree with you, but I'm waiting for the day anyway when the devs mega-buff health and my 100 health build gets an epic beatdown for it. :p (besides in GB)

They can do like a soul forge thing where the bonus from forging comes from your health. The more health you have, the more powerful the enchantment on your armor or weapon.

[hane]

The Devs didn't screw up builds, they merely took away the ability to FP farm perpetually and thus level indefinitely. If everyone really thought it would stay this way, why are farmers so hush hush about making FP farming posts in the forums? They obviously didn't believe it would stay this way, all they wanted was to milk it as long as possible before it gets changed eventually.

your ignorance is not my problem, this damn question came up so many godzillion times i may as well feed you to godzilla than try to get you to read.

[Killabee]

Somehow, the nerf killed it for me. I never farmed big, usually I hit 20 serpents in between slow kill monsters. But just knowing I am no longer able to stock up on some free FP to refill if it ever should be necessary has dimished my pleasure greatly. The FP Farmer serpent buffet is closed, which was my main source for serpents, and a great place to get some serpies dead quickly. When I found out about the serpent buffet, it opened up a whole new world. I changed my build towards it very slowly, in order to buy a monhtly I would like, or save for a chest roll or a refill. I rarely used the refill, but it was nice to know I had it in case I needed it, now I have 23 FP laying around I don't dare to use because I can't replenish it.

The nerf would never hit me directly since I could not farm more than lets say 5 FP a day, but my fellow farmers closing all their groups is what has killed me in the end. Buying FP is no option, since I always want value for my money, and some pixelated junk is not good value, but that is just my opinion.

Now, I don't know what I'm doing on CA anymore, I always find a decent Typhonus to hit, I dump my stamina, pray, log off and don't care what happens anymore. I have been sick these last few days (hence why I never answered in the "Know your spammers; Kenster"-topic which I'll do tomorrow).

I can't even imagine what the people whose playstyle was purely farming must be feeling, but right now, I am just using stamina in case I would get my feel for the game again. But right now, I could quit and not care to be honest.

Totally signed. The majority in Serpent groups were part time farmers, who enjoyed getting some FP from time to time to get a monthly general or do something beside a slow kill, which takes me a full week for one monster (in which I sometimes don't even reach the damage cap at level 470!). So for me it's back to WoW now, where I only pay 10 bucks a month, but I know that I have equal opportunities like every other gamer and don't get punished for leveling.

[ice9]

Totally signed. The majority in Serpent groups were part time farmers, who enjoyed getting some FP from time to time to get a monthly general or do something beside a slow kill, which takes me a full week for one monster (in which I sometimes don't even reach the damage cap at level 470!). So for me it's back to WoW now, where I only pay 10 bucks a month, but I know that I have equal opportunities like every other gamer and don't get punished for leveling.
WoW has a level cap. That's not punishment for leveling?;)

[tricker]

The Devs didn't screw up builds, they merely took away the ability to FP farm perpetually and thus level indefinitely. If everyone really thought it would stay this way, why are farmers so hush hush about making FP farming posts in the forums? They obviously didn't believe it would stay this way, all they wanted was to milk it as long as possible before it gets changed eventually.
Farmers were so Hush-Hush about it that a FB group called FP Farmer was created with links posted in the forums, additionalally a FB application was developed and also advertised here, the app had a data base entry to keep the loot information up to data for each monster based on level of attacker, damage done, stamina used, energy used, general used, player stats, critical hits to keep the data current and as informative as possible. Those data base summary had links published in the forums. Guides were written that included the best way to attack the monsters and published in the forums. Public farming groups with similar guides or extracts from the guide having thousands of members developed. Farmers shared this information with the guild mates many of which are more built for PvP some of which would frequently participate in hitting a few serpents. Serpent events were held on many occasions and publicly advertised.

FP farming was definitely not Hush-Hush. The drop rates were initially good enough that many players could get back more FPs than you had to use on refills. This information was shared on the forums and may have led to previous nerfing of the drop rates, such that few, if any, players could get back the FPs that were invested in Oracle refill from farming; however, most determine that the loss could be made up for my purchasing additional favor points to cover the short fall. These purchase allowed a farmer to continue to farmer at an affordable cost and thus maximizing the entertainment value of their investment. Pending review and changes the short fall that occurs for most player has increased significantly and thereby greatly increase the cost of play (assuming playing style does not change, otherwise play time is greatly reduced for the same cost of play).

[Killabee]

WoW has a level cap. That's not punishment for leveling?;)

True, but you still advance through equipment :)

[FranKo99]

well, as unpopular as it sound, farmers build their character to exploit a feature, now it has been "nerfed", well change your build.

It sucks uh, but most slayers gave that answer to high BSI players when alpha monster came out, you guys rush to be the higher level you could be, now deal with it, you say you're play time has been limited, but you still get you natural energy/stamina refill like everyone else does,

if you still want to level up 100 times a day, well that's why the oracle is for :p

[Pooh]

This thread will say it all...I won't need to post again. ;)
I've been trolling the forums since I stopped playing and from what I see, slow-leveling pvps in general are happy, happy that they can finally catch the farmers. Your playstyle still sucks to me, and you got lucky that the Devs nerfed the farmers THATS ALL! :rolleyes: (no offense SDhawk, Mursilis, Wraith and those others...you know who you are) <<< I still got nothing but love for ya'll! :o
If this makes the average slow-leveler happy...good, although if that what gets you off how sad...lol!
Don't expect that something like this won't happen to you in another way in the future.
Most long term, less cynical players will understand.


slow-leveling pvps in general are happy??? Seriously, there're lotsa farmers out there like myself, even if we stop playing for months, and these bunch of slow-leveling pvps in general will not even stand a chance against my Evalice if not Strider. . . so what makes them happy about? :rolleyes:

[Defyeler]

Monsters broke the original builds of the first gen players. So some first gen players started changing their builds.

Second gen players broke down when first gen players started smacking their lips when the game flooded with people who only wanted to hunt monsters. So, some second gen players started changing their builds to better protect themselves.

Third gen players benefited from the knowledge of both first and second gen players. Now we see more hybrid builds than ever.

However, all 3 generations of players have benefited from the FP drops. Whether you're hardcore at farming, or just casually getting them from random monster drops.

If you built your account to maximize FP farming. Oh well.
If you built your account to maximize PvP power within your level range. Oh well.
If you built your account to maximize Monster Hunting ability. Oh well.
If you built your account to do everything well, but not excel at any one thing. Oh well.

Answer for all of the above... and this was told to everyone of every facet and build.

Evolve or die.

btw, I'm a second gen player who built like a first gen player, and ended up being like a 3rd gen player, who doesn't play anymore :p

[kenster]

Totally signed. The majority in Serpent groups were part time farmers, who enjoyed getting some FP from time to time to get a monthly general or do something beside a slow kill, which takes me a full week for one monster (in which I sometimes don't even reach the damage cap at level 470!). So for me it's back to WoW now, where I only pay 10 bucks a month, but I know that I have equal opportunities like every other gamer and don't get punished for leveling.
This legendary forumite almost cryquitted and he is the only one who cared? You all makez me want to go cry in a corner. I didn't need a "dont leave kenster"-thread, but some posts in here woulda been nice :(:(:(:(

[ice9]

Ken if you ever emo-quitted the forums, I would be right behind you. <3

[Goatherd]

Answer for all of the above... and this was told to everyone of every facet and build.

Evolve or die.

btw, I'm a second gen player who built like a first gen player, and ended up being like a 3rd gen player, who doesn't play anymore :p

So what happened? Did you Evolve or Die? :confused:

[Defyeler]

So what happened? Did you Evolve or Die? :confused:

I went out to live a little :D

[Goatherd]

I went out to live a little :D

Respected. But, oh sure, life beyond CA!?!? ;)

[SDHawk]

I went out to live a little :D

Look what the cat dragged in. (Musta been one monster, tweaked out cat) :D

[Defyeler]

Respected. But, oh sure, life beyond CA!?!? ;)

Its pretty cool out here. Though I did log in a couple days ago and found out that the new nav and apparently tons of changes have made it harder for me to want to get back in.

Though I did go out and chain some people a few times for the hell of it.

Look what the cat dragged in. (Musta been one monster, tweaked out cat) :D

I dunno, but I don't see you as "Monstrously tweaked out".. just a nice little kitty cat :)

[SDHawk]

Its pretty cool out here. Though I did log in a couple days ago and found out that the new nav and apparently tons of changes have made it harder for me to want to get back in.

Though I did go out and chain some people a few times for the hell of it.



I dunno, but I don't see you as "Monstrously tweaked out".. just a nice little kitty cat :)

:D Hi bro. Mwaah! :D

[Defyeler]

:D Hi bro. Mwaah! :D

Right back at ya sis! :D

[Death of Rats]

I can understand that farming is a volatile issue, but it should have been a no-risk; it's been there since the game started.

What would you do if devs took away SPs upon quest completion and demi blessings?
That's the scenario we are in right now.

EDIT: What I love, though, is the devs blatantly lying through their teeth about it 'not affecting most people'. My guess as to which they are referring to the countless alts out there.
Farming FP from monsters predates monsters? ;)

slow-leveling pvps in general are happy??? Seriously, there're lotsa farmers out there like myself, even if we stop playing for months, and these bunch of slow-leveling pvps in general will not even stand a chance against my Evalice if not Strider. . . so what makes them happy about? :rolleyes:
Just enjoying the camaraderie of the game. :)

Ken if you ever emo-quitted the forums, I would be right behind you. <3
If you two quit the forums, I will infract you both. Quitting is against the unwritten forum rules.

[Defyeler]

Quitting is against the unwritten forum rules.

Gah.... glad I decided to post a few things then... :p

[echo expugno]

Gah.... glad I decided to post a few things then... :p

I think i remember you, you were that squishy that use to come here sometimes, ya?:D

I have missed you Pooh

[Defyeler]

I think i remember you, you were that squishy that use to come here sometimes, ya?:D

I have missed you Pooh

Missed you and the community as well.

I'm even more squishy now it seems. SP has been raining all over the place since I stopped playing. I did gain 2 STA the past two months though. Good times! :)

[echo expugno]

Missed you and the community as well.

I'm even more squishy now it seems. SP has been raining all over the place since I stopped playing. I did gain 2 STA the past two months though. Good times! :)

LOL. since you have been gone, Fluffy has become a monster hunter, almost a slayer:eek:

[Defyeler]

LOL. since you have been gone, Fluffy has become a monster hunter, almost a slayer:eek:

WHAT? LOL that's way too funny! Never thought I'd see the day...

[echo expugno]

WHAT? LOL that's way too funny! Never thought I'd see the day...

you should look at his wall, he is always with monsters on there now

[Death of Rats]

WHAT? LOL that's way too funny! Never thought I'd see the day...
He denies it though. I think he's ashamed of coming out of the closet.

[Jehann]

First things first, Killer Pooh is back YAAAAAYYYYY!!! :D :D
You should chain that guy right above you. He stole your identity, and he's dissin' PvPers. ;)

Now,

If you built your account to maximize FP farming. Oh well.
If you built your account to maximize PvP power within your level range. Oh well.
If you built your account to maximize Monster Hunting ability. Oh well.
If you built your account to do everything well, but not excel at any one thing. Oh well.

Answer for all of the above... and this was told to everyone of every facet and build.

Evolve or die.

What he said. +10000
And did I mention, YAY KILLER POOH'S BACK!


I'm even more squishy now it seems. SP has been raining all over the place since I stopped playing. I did gain 2 STA the past two months though. Good times!

Does that mean I can break you again? :D

[Cerbykins]

You should chain that guy right above you. He stole your identity, and he's dissin' PvPers. ;)

I don't really care what the other guy did, I want to see you have a hunny-pot fight with the other guy. :p

Also be sure to charge tickets and make it PPV, get yourself a nice little return on investment. :D

[SDHawk]

sorry festi battle called, what'd I miss? :D

[Defyeler]

First things first, Killer Pooh is back YAAAAAYYYYY!!! :D :D
You should chain that guy right above you. He stole your identity, and he's dissin' PvPers.

Now,


What he said. +10000
And did I mention, YAY KILLER POOH'S BACK!



Does that mean I can break you again? :D

lol <3 Jehann :)

I think you should be able to. Kessar can; before I stopped playing he couldn't.

[Alex007]

So, in the end it seems that they come ... they go ... but, eventually they all come back again ...

[Padaxan]

Totally signed. The majority in Serpent groups were part time farmers, who enjoyed getting some FP from time to time to get a monthly general or do something beside a slow kill, which takes me a full week for one monster (in which I sometimes don't even reach the damage cap at level 470!). So for me it's back to WoW now, where I only pay 10 bucks a month, but I know that I have equal opportunities like every other gamer and don't get punished for leveling.

Not to pick any sides of this debate (not my place, as I focus on graphics/art) I do want to point out, hordes if not legions upon legions of WoW's community rages and "quits", and throw out very outlandish responses when the Dev's there nerf/tweak a players chosen class.

When my DK was nerfed, I was upset.. as well, but it just has to be part of the process. You are potentially punished for leveling, as the devs can change that class on a whim and make your X stat or X power obsolete.

[RAUKO]

I focus on graphics/art
Nice job, man. Game looks great.

[Eternal]

So, in the end it seems that they come ... they go ... but, eventually they all come back again ...

Who exactly is coming back? This game is dying fast in my eyes. Tons of players have sadly left after their nerf. Quite a few left before the nerf of FP, but this seems to be the nail in the coffin.

[ice9]

Not to pick any sides of this debate (not my place, as I focus on graphics/art) I do want to point out, hordes if not legions upon legions of WoW's community rages and "quits", and throw out very outlandish responses when the Dev's there nerf/tweak a players chosen class.

When my DK was nerfed, I was upset.. as well, but it just has to be part of the process. You are potentially punished for leveling, as the devs can change that class on a whim and make your X stat or X power obsolete.

as an ex WoW player, +100 to this post. For the 2 years I did play, players always rage quit over something, especially class nerfs. Point is, no game is perfect. Online games are forever evolving. Players are going to get upset. Not everyone is going to agree with the changes. Moral that has been tossed around: adapt.

[Freedom Fighter]

FP farming was definitely not Hush-Hush. The drop rates were initially good enough that many players could get back more FPs than you had to use on refills. This information was shared on the forums and may have led to previous nerfing of the drop rates

Maybe it wasn't initially or a long time ago. But on these forums, in recent times, whenever FP farming is even hinted at, someone would get on a discourage the discussion.

[dani2000]

as an ex WoW player, +100 to this post. For the 2 years I did play, players always rage quit over something, especially class nerfs. Point is, no game is perfect. Online games are forever evolving. Players are going to get upset. Not everyone is going to agree with the changes. Moral that has been tossed around: adapt.

^this^

:)

[Luxor The Moonprince]

Not to pick any sides of this debate (not my place, as I focus on graphics/art) I do want to point out, hordes if not legions upon legions of WoW's community rages and "quits", and throw out very outlandish responses when the Dev's there nerf/tweak a players chosen class.

When my DK was nerfed, I was upset.. as well, but it just has to be part of the process. You are potentially punished for leveling, as the devs can change that class on a whim and make your X stat or X power obsolete.

Well... I dont play WoW. But I do play D+D Online and LotR. Which are VERY similar.

The difference here and there... is that there is "no class" type in CA. You have a build type.

Im level 1214. The "Hybred/PvP build type". Meaning... 7 or 8 refills of stamina a level up.


We can put a monetry value on that. It's $11USD a level if I want to do it in a day.

Or I could do it for free... at 14 days...


People talk about "changing your build type". But they dont ever mention what that costs. To go up 100 levels and only add the accumulated stats given on level up to changing my build type...

Costs: $1,100+
Gains: 500 skill points. Maybe push it up to 600 for some quests I may finish.


600 skill points is barely going to make a dent in someones build type at my level.

For $1,100?


And this happened overnight.


To add to this I have had some small conversations with Tass. I understand his position regarding the farming nerf... and oddly... I think it is high time something was done about it.

I think I should have to pay for levels. But $11 each? When previously I could do it for only a small cash outlay - or even for nothing if I got lucky with finding some nice monsters to hit on...


Thats a massive overnight change. I dont think it's unreasonable for [former] farmers to ask for a gentler curve to level progression.

Levels=Skill points. Without those the accounts cant be changed.


Thats the crux of the issue here. And it has no parallel in WoW.

[echo expugno]

Who exactly is coming back? This game is dying fast in my eyes. Tons of players have sadly left after their nerf. Quite a few left before the nerf of FP, but this seems to be the nail in the coffin.

I think you said it correctly, "It is dying IN YOUR EYES" "Final nail in the coffin, IN YOUR EYES"
Thankfully there are many other aspects of the game to play and many different types of players then the farmers. Farmers were and are not the only players that support the Devs, and there are many, many happy players still. And there are still new people joining, and ya, i have seen a few threads in the forums and posts on peoples walls that they are back to playing CA.
I am sorry that the game has lost its attraction to you buy slowing down the free flow of FP that some have enjoyed for so long of a time. I really am. And I know that everyone is important, and many would like to think for whatever reason that they are more important then everyone else. That they supported the game, single handedly, or they and their select group supported the game single handedly, for all this time. But the reality is, there are more then just those people that believe they were the ones that kept the game going. There are more then just one small culture or style of gameplay that keeps this game going. And there are more then just the farmers that spend a lot of money on this game.
I am also sorry for going on like this, and I really am not singling you out, but some of the farmers beliefs that they are the only ones that ever mattered has become past old. Life is too short, this is a game, enjoy it, or find something else to enjoy.
Rant over

[Patrick D]

What bothers me is not so much the nerf itself, I can live with that up to a point. What really bothers me is the way the nerf works: it targets only those with over X amount of attack or X amount of damage per stamina. Everyone under X can farm as freely and happily as ever, no harm done at all. But if you cross X, you get punished and you can say goodbye to your farming efficiency. How do you justify that kind of discrimination? I can understand the position that high attack had to be capped for FP farming, although in a way diminishing returns on monster damage already did that but okay I can understand that point of view at least. But what was done here is that once you cross X you actually lose farming efficiency, it isn't just capped but it just plummets, without a warning. That's what I feel is not fair.

At least in WoW you can respec to a different build when they nerf yours into the ground. Here there is no such thing, if I could transfer 2000 attack to my defense I would do it immediately so I can at least farm again without being affected by the nerf.

[sublimedano]

I dont understand why the devs took fp farming away. I was not someone who did that as I am more pvp, but it was just another aspect of the game that lots of my friends liked. Farming FPs made them happy and it is just supposed to be a fun game. Let them do it I say.

[echo expugno]

What bothers me is not so much the nerf itself, I can live with that up to a point. What really bothers me is the way the nerf works: it targets only those with over X amount of attack or X amount of damage per stamina. Everyone under X can farm as freely and happily as ever, no harm done at all. But if you cross X, you get punished and you can say goodbye to your farming efficiency. How do you justify that kind of discrimination? I can understand the position that high attack had to be capped for FP farming, although in a way diminishing returns on monster damage already did that but okay I can understand that point of view at least. But what was done here is that once you cross X you actually lose farming efficiency, it isn't just capped but it just plummets, without a warning. That's what I feel is not fair.

At least in WoW you can respec to a different build when they nerf yours into the ground. Here there is no such thing, if I could transfer 2000 attack to my defense I would do it immediately so I can at least farm again without being affected by the nerf.

This I can understand and agree with. It is descrimination, in my opinion also. I have said a million times, that i think the nerf, or at least how it was done, knowing that there was an entire build style for it was wrong. But I think that the attitudes of some of the players it has effected have bothered me more then the way the devs did what they did.

[Atanatar]

At least in WoW you can respec to a different build when they nerf yours into the ground. Here there is no such thing, if I could transfer 2000 attack to my defense I would do it immediately so I can at least farm again without being affected by the nerf.

You might as well ask for them to close down the servers, as the possibility to reallocate skill points would kill the game. There would be just one kind of build, all En/Stam leveling to a certain point, then switch to all def/atk/health... Variety lost, game would be dead. Also, you could get a strong acc far cheaper than as it is now, you could change your build far cheaper etc... so (thankfully) a reallocation won't happen as it would kill developers money as well ;)

Games where you can reallocate everything at every point are boring as hell, live with the decisions you've made and adopt your build is all a person can do. I made my mistakes in adding stats too, from today's perspective I wasted AT LEAST 800-1000 Stat points in Stamina (I'd love to have just 500-600 but damn I started as MH and went up to 1000 Stam)... but I dont want a reallocation, as I know it would kill the fun overall and make things too easy. Instead, I play as good as I can with the mistakes that have been done. :) It's part of the attraction the game still has, you just can't "turn back time" and reallocated to whatever you wish.

[SDHawk]

You might as well ask for them to close down the servers, as the possibility to reallocate skill points would kill the game. There would be just one kind of build, all En/Stam leveling to a certain point, then switch to all def/atk/health... Variety lost, game would be dead. Also, you could get a strong acc far cheaper than as it is now, you could change your build far cheaper etc... so (thankfully) a reallocation won't happen as it would kill developers money as well ;)

Games where you can reallocate everything at every point are boring as hell, live with the decisions you've made and adopt your build is all a person can do. I made my mistakes in adding stats too, from today's perspective I wasted AT LEAST 800-1000 Stat points in Stamina (I'd love to have just 500-600 but damn I started as MH and went up to 1000 Stam)... but I dont want a reallocation, as I know it would kill the fun overall and make things too easy. Instead, I play as good as I can with the mistakes that have been done. :) It's part of the attraction the game still has, you just can't "turn back time" and reallocated to whatever you wish.

He gets kewl points

[Death of Rats]

[...]
Thats a massive overnight change. I dont think it's unreasonable for [former] farmers to ask for a gentler curve to level progression.

Levels=Skill points. Without those the accounts cant be changed.


Thats the crux of the issue here. And it has no parallel in WoW.
I think you'll find all but the most unsympathetic people will agree that it could have been achieved better; it was done too fast--particularly made worse by the error in coding which disregarded the first hit--, a bit of warning would have been nice as well, and it does seem to unfairly single out certain builds as well. I do wish they could be convinced to alter that to a sliding scale or such instead of a dead cut-off.

[The King of Nee!]

Who exactly is coming back? This game is dying fast in my eyes. Tons of players have sadly left after their nerf. Quite a few left before the nerf of FP, but this seems to be the nail in the coffin.

Hi hunny I'm home;) n Nee!

[ss54]

Not to pick any sides of this debate (not my place, as I focus on graphics/art) I do want to point out, hordes if not legions upon legions of WoW's community rages and "quits", and throw out very outlandish responses when the Dev's there nerf/tweak a players chosen class.

When my DK was nerfed, I was upset.. as well, but it just has to be part of the process. You are potentially punished for leveling, as the devs can change that class on a whim and make your X stat or X power obsolete.

So...the devs decided to pick a negative attribute of WoW and apply it to their game?
Or better yet going into this ignoring past precedents?
Great mindset.

[Amanojaku]

So...the devs decided to pick a negative attribute of WoW and apply it to their game?
Or better yet going into this ignoring past precedents?
Great mindset.

Agreed, why would you take an aspect that causes tens of thousands of people to quit your game and then use it as an example. haha, I don't care, just a quick thought.

[Padaxan]

So...the devs decided to pick a negative attribute of WoW and apply it to their game?
Or better yet going into this ignoring past precedents?
Great mindset.

It's a negative, but realistic problem in any and all online games. That is the only point I was making.

[Elandal]

I didn't rage when I quit WoW. Instead, I sat quietly on Orgrimmar bank roof, in my Dragonslayer suit enchanted to the max, stroking my dear old friend, my very first pet (pets come, pets go, but I always kept my first pet), a very normal cougar from Mulgore, as I looked at the usual ruckus. I had already transferred guild leadership and whatnot, and so with all things done, I could log out. For the last time.
Since then, I've occasionally noticed news about some new expansion or whatever, and have thought about taking some free 7 days offer to check things out. But... What'd be the point? Old guild has been disbanded, and these days I doubt many of my old friends even play WoW.

In WoW, when I decided I want to try something else, I created a new character, mailed the newborn a starting package, and built anew. Of course I didn't need to go for a race/class combination I already had, as then I could've respec'd. Rather, I tried new race, new class, picked new professions, and so on. Everyone had alts. Goddamned Mooncloth alts even!

In CA, there's no respec. There's no starting a new character with a starting package, paid from funds of old character. I can't go for level 19 WSG alt decked with equipment completely out of reach of non-alts. I can't create a pvp-alt for my monsterhunter main. Can't mail mats, crafts, and so on around. If I want a new build, I can of course start a new FB account, new CA character, start anew. Against FB and CA rules of course, but not enforced really. Still, where in WoW I could get to 60 quite fast, decent equipment, start raiding, in CA if I want to start anew, abandoning L1k MH, there'd be no way to get to L1k with equal total sp – let alone how much I've blown to chests, monthlies, and so on. If I retire my character, there's no point in starting anew.

So, rogues got nerfed? Switch to your shaman alt and move it from alt raids to main raids. Shamans got the shaft? Not to worry, your old rogue main hasn't fallen far behind the development, you can take it back as your main. Or maybe go for something new, a warrior built for tanking – probably you have an alt that can be geared as offtank quite fast. Although at some point you might decide that enough is enough, and quit.

[ice9]

I didn't rage when I quit WoW. Instead, I sat quietly on Orgrimmar bank roof, in my Dragonslayer suit enchanted to the max, stroking my dear old friend, my very first pet (pets come, pets go, but I always kept my first pet), a very normal cougar from Mulgore, as I looked at the usual ruckus. I had already transferred guild leadership and whatnot, and so with all things done, I could log out. For the last time.
Since then, I've occasionally noticed news about some new expansion or whatever, and have thought about taking some free 7 days offer to check things out. But... What'd be the point? Old guild has been disbanded, and these days I doubt many of my old friends even play WoW.

In WoW, when I decided I want to try something else, I created a new character, mailed the newborn a starting package, and built anew. Of course I didn't need to go for a race/class combination I already had, as then I could've respec'd. Rather, I tried new race, new class, picked new professions, and so on. Everyone had alts. Goddamned Mooncloth alts even!

In CA, there's no respec. There's no starting a new character with a starting package, paid from funds of old character. I can't go for level 19 WSG alt decked with equipment completely out of reach of non-alts. I can't create a pvp-alt for my monsterhunter main. Can't mail mats, crafts, and so on around. If I want a new build, I can of course start a new FB account, new CA character, start anew. Against FB and CA rules of course, but not enforced really. Still, where in WoW I could get to 60 quite fast, decent equipment, start raiding, in CA if I want to start anew, abandoning L1k MH, there'd be no way to get to L1k with equal total sp – let alone how much I've blown to chests, monthlies, and so on. If I retire my character, there's no point in starting anew.

So, rogues got nerfed? Switch to your shaman alt and move it from alt raids to main raids. Shamans got the shaft? Not to worry, your old rogue main hasn't fallen far behind the development, you can take it back as your main. Or maybe go for something new, a warrior built for tanking – probably you have an alt that can be geared as offtank quite fast. Although at some point you might decide that enough is enough, and quit.

No Boomkin love? Fail.;)

[Thanos]

So...I guess this means I never will get Halcyon :(

[Patrick D]

So...I guess this means I never will get Halcyon :(

Halcyon is going to become obsolete soon anyway with the existence of physical piercing and resistance. :p

[Princess PunkSunflower]

Halcyon is going to become obsolete soon anyway with the existence of physical piercing and resistance. :p

LIES and blasphemy!!! :mad:

[n3r086]

Halcyon is going to become obsolete soon anyway with the existence of physical piercing and resistance. :p

LIES and blasphemy!!! :mad:

so, finally I can pierce your Halcy? :p
I'll save up FPs to buy this generals then :D

[Princess PunkSunflower]

so, finally I can pierce your Halcy? :p
I'll save up FPs to buy this generals then :D

Shoo Shoo! :eek:

Ragequit at Halcy nerf! :p

[davinity]

so, finally I can pierce your Halcy? :p
I'll save up FPs to buy this generals then :D

just use strider, but shhhh ;)

edit: since looking at your keep I suddenly feel bloodlust creeping up :O Times eliminated 0

[Yuhake]

edit: since looking at your keep I suddenly feel bloodlust creeping up :O Times eliminated 0

He has Edea up. ;___;

[ice9]

just use strider, but shhhh ;)

edit: since looking at your keep I suddenly feel bloodlust creeping up :O Times eliminated 0

Hider!!!!!! :p

[*Pestilence*]

Well... I dont play WoW. But I do play D+D Online and LotR. Which are VERY similar.

The difference here and there... is that there is "no class" type in CA. You have a build type.

Im level 1214. The "Hybred/PvP build type". Meaning... 7 or 8 refills of stamina a level up.


We can put a monetry value on that. It's $11USD a level if I want to do it in a day.

Or I could do it for free... at 14 days...


People talk about "changing your build type". But they dont ever mention what that costs. To go up 100 levels and only add the accumulated stats given on level up to changing my build type...

Costs: $1,100+
Gains: 500 skill points. Maybe push it up to 600 for some quests I may finish.


600 skill points is barely going to make a dent in someones build type at my level.

For $1,100?


And this happened overnight.


To add to this I have had some small conversations with Tass. I understand his position regarding the farming nerf... and oddly... I think it is high time something was done about it.

I think I should have to pay for levels. But $11 each? When previously I could do it for only a small cash outlay - or even for nothing if I got lucky with finding some nice monsters to hit on...


Thats a massive overnight change. I dont think it's unreasonable for [former] farmers to ask for a gentler curve to level progression.

Levels=Skill points. Without those the accounts cant be changed.


Thats the crux of the issue here. And it has no parallel in WoW.

This...
Adam said it all really :)

I would like to add something that makes me wonder... :confused:
I used to think CA as a business made their money by the players buying FPs..
But that's not the "truth"... is it?
FP purchases are only a small percentage of the CA income in reality.. though the costs for the individual player might seem rather high it's really just a small part of the actual income generated by this game.
The clicks are what matters...
The banner commercials and their exposure are what matters...
The numbers of players are what matters...

So why do this nerf to make a few dollars on FPs if the nerf itself drives a lot of high level multi clicking players away from the game??
Seems like a stupid move to me :confused:

[Yuhake]

This...
Adam said it all really :)

I would like to add something that makes me wonder... :confused:
I used to think CA as a business made their money by the players buying FPs..
But that's not the "truth"... is it?
FP purchases are only a small percentage of the CA income in reality.. though the costs for the individual player might seem rather high it's really just a small part of the actual income generated by this game.
The clicks are what matters...
The banner commercials and their exposure are what matters...
The numbers of players are what matters...

So why do this nerf to make a few dollars on FPs if the nerf itself drives a lot of high level multi clicking players away from the game??
Seems like a stupid move to me :confused:

What banners? Only banner I see is the one for HoD and that's the developers' own game so how could they make money off of that? :confused: Or do you mean the facebook ads on the side? If so, I wonder if they work the way you think they do.

*shrugs*

Anyway, in another FB game I play, the devs are a lot more forthcoming with info etc. and they said at one point that pretty much all their revenue come from the players' premium currency purchases and that the ad income was pretty much nonexistent. It was a year or so ago they said it, though, so not sure if the biz has changed since then.

[*Pestilence*]

What banners? Only banner I see is the one for HoD and that's the developers' own game so how could they make money off of that? :confused: Or do you mean the facebook ads on the side? If so, I wonder if they work the way you think they do.

*shrugs*

Anyway, in another FB game I play, the devs are a lot more forthcoming with info etc. and they said at one point that pretty much all their revenue come from the players' premium currency purchases and that the ad income was pretty much nonexistent. It was a year or so ago they said it, though, so not sure if the biz has changed since then.

crap :D
you're absolutely right *ROFLMAO*
I've just become soooo used to seeing those banners everywhere so I never even look at them anymore and completely missed there isn't any on CA :D

I stand corrected :o

[SDHawk]

This...
Adam said it all really :)

I would like to add something that makes me wonder... :confused:
I used to think CA as a business made their money by the players buying FPs..
But that's not the "truth"... is it?
FP purchases are only a small percentage of the CA income in reality.. though the costs for the individual player might seem rather high it's really just a small part of the actual income generated by this game.
The clicks are what matters...
The banner commercials and their exposure are what matters...
The numbers of players are what matters...

So why do this nerf to make a few dollars on FPs if the nerf itself drives a lot of high level multi clicking players away from the game??
Seems like a stupid move to me :confused:

Thank you. I have said this since time immemorial(sp)

[SDHawk]

crap :D
you're absolutely right *ROFLMAO*
I've just become soooo used to seeing those banners everywhere so I never even look at them anymore and completely missed there isn't any on CA :D

I stand corrected :o

there are ads down the side. Those count?

[*Pestilence*]

there are ads down the side. Those count?

I don't know for sure but I'll bet they do count.
Perhaps CA doesn't get all the money but only a part of it.. but I'll bet you that "part" depends on how many clicks this game generates.

[3rd Horseman]

umm... so what's up with CA being so slow and the gate changes? If I'm in the wrong place please let me know. i thought these were things that would pass but for a week now so i think maybe not.

[Death of Rats]

umm... so what's up with CA being so slow and the gate changes? If I'm in the wrong place please let me know. i thought these were things that would pass but for a week now so i think maybe not.
The battle gate changes seem to be a new permanent fixture. http://castleageforums.com/cforum/showthread.php?t=61358

The slowness... Not sure; although I am sure my mom would blame the Solar Flares (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/0309/1224313058275.html). She's probably wrong.

[SDHawk]

The battle gate changes seem to be a new permanent fixture. http://castleageforums.com/cforum/showthread.php?t=61358

The slowness... Not sure; although I am sure my mom would blame the Solar Flares (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/0309/1224313058275.html). She's probably wrong.

Dont count her out yet :)

[3rd Horseman]

Thanks for the quick reply :) She may be right about the solar flares... we should get a lot of them during this peak year

[Death of Rats]

Dont count her out yet :)
She doesn't have a great track record for these things. She's one of those people who panics with one snowflake. Constant, frequent overreactions have led me to dismiss her hypotheses on many occasions.

[SDHawk]

She doesn't have a great track record for these things. She's one of those people who panics with one snowflake. Constant, frequent overreactions have led me to dismiss her hypotheses on many occasions.

Maybe so, but the Mayans got her back on this one. She liable to be spot on one of these times :D Im not in a panic but i definitely got an eye out :)

[Irinasdaddy]

Maybe so, but the Mayans got her back on this one. She liable to be spot on one of these times :D Im not in a panic but i definitely got an eye out :)

Mods veering this thread rapidly off-topic... ;)

[ChocoboKnight91]

Mods veering this thread rapidly off-topic... ;)

Well one could say that this thread is a doomsday prophecy for CA. They're talking about that part of it :p

[Alex007]

Mods veering this thread rapidly off-topic... ;)

Yes, who is policing them?

[Freedom Fighter]

Seems to me, the FP farmers want to have the cake and eat it too. They want to keep their high level and at the same time want to level fast. If their complaint is truely not being able to change their builds, would they will willing to lose those levels so they can level faster again and change their builds? Maybe that should be an option in CA. Allow players to drop levels if they choose, and of course lose the 5 SPs of the stat of their choice.

[Blade Runner]

There only out to get your money...thats it!
They don't care about you, your kids, your spouse, your problems.
They get their enjoyment out of getting your money and making themselves rich!!
Devs: You have to make your money right?
Your greed doesn't make you a bad person, but it drove off this player.
Had you kept it real and really cared about your players, I would have spent thousands more on your game for years to come...now you don't get a da..mn thing!
Money lost forever...and in the end thats what you deserve...! :cool:

How long did it take for the light to go on upstairs. lol Of course the Devs only want your money.

Because you play a game they have designed they should be your friend & give you man hugs all the time. Sheesh!!

Personally I do not invest money into the game CA/HOD any more. Not because I don't feel the Dev's love & I'm sensative, the game seems to have stagnated, new stuff does not interest me & finally realised I was spending much needed money on bloomin game.

By all means stop playing if the game has gone in a direction you are not pleased with or too many people manipulate the game & the devs are complacent.
Your post paints you as a BIG Drama Queen who needs to get a life. rofl :eek:

[n3r086]

just use strider, but shhhh

edit: since looking at your keep I suddenly feel bloodlust creeping up Times eliminated 0

He has Edea up. ;___;

Hider!!!!!! :p

catch me if you can :D
PS: I do sometimes "cheats" from Edea :p

Well one could say that this thread is a doomsday prophecy for CA. They're talking about that part of it

LOL :D

[SDHawk]

Mods veering this thread rapidly off-topic... ;)

what was the topic? O yea...

DOOOOOOMMMMM n gloooooommmmmm

[Dokkōdō]

Yes, who is policing them?

who watches the watchmen :D

[mith]

I will state this as my final reason:
I did not quit because of the nerf...I quit because of the Devs!
You can't trust them as far a you can throw them.
There only out to get your money...thats it!
They don't care about you, your kids, your spouse, your problems.
They get their enjoyment out of getting your money and making themselves rich!!

You mean their company doesn't function on rainbows and unicorn farts?

[Yuhake]

You mean their company doesn't function on rainbows and unicorn farts?

If by 'unicorn farts' you mean FP purchases, then I think it actually does. :p (and yes, you who decides to take offense; I do mean only high level players buy FP :rolleyes: )

Pestilence, let's just assume the FB ads on the side give CA devs loads of money per click so we can blame them for being greedy b****rds and we can continue to whine about there being so many incentives for us to buy FP in the game. Sounds good? Yeah, to me too. ;)

As for having cake and eating some too, yup, I do that all the time; I always have two cakes ready so I can eat one and have the other. :o

[Princess PunkSunflower]

If by 'unicorn farts' you mean FP purchases, then I think it actually does. (and yes, you who decides to take offense; I do mean only high level players buy FP :rolleyes: )

Pestilence, let's just assume the FB ads on the side give CA devs loads of money per click so we can blame them for being greedy b****rds and we can continue to whine about there being so many incentives for us to buy FP in the game. Sounds good? Yeah, to me too. ;)

As for having cake and eating some too, yup, I do that all the time; I always have two cakes ready so I can eat one and have the other. :o

I might have misunderstood here, but are you saying only the high levels buy FPs? If so, that is blatantly untrue

If I misunderstood I'll go stick my head in the sand again :D

[Muhoshin]

It's perfectly possible to spend thousands of FP chest rolling and never do a single refill. This isn't even especially rare, take a look at some of those keeps...

[Yuhake]

I might have misunderstood here, but are you saying only the high levels buy FPs? If so, that is blatantly untrue

If I misunderstood I'll go stick my head in the sand again :D

I hoped the rolling of my eyes smiley would have portrayed the sarcasm of my statement sufficiently. I might have hoped for naught, though (not sure). :p

Don't let me keep you from exploring the life of an ostrich, though. ;)

[Princess PunkSunflower]

Thanks, the sand is a bit soggy though :p

[mith]

You mean their company doesn't function on rainbows and unicorn farts?

I discovered today that someone has already discovered the power of unicorn farts:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/85884024/preorder-unicorn-farts-lip-balm-one-tube

There goes the CA business model.

[megavalve]

just use strider, but shhhh ;)

edit: since looking at your keep I suddenly feel bloodlust creeping up :O Times eliminated 0

deianira no longer works for pvp? i keep dealing 5-6 damage. =.=

[royal_pain_147]

I wonder what happened to festival quest. I've been waiting to level up Sano for TOO long

[Castle AGE ADDICT]

and yet another hardcore player leaving the game.. well, I enjoyed your prescence and trolled the forum, and way back when I was builing my build and the infamous first cross roads.. slayer pvp choice??? I chose the slow long road while others chose the fast shiny path..three years later I still see the pvp builds standing..and the fp slayer builds leaving... when money and time are needed..which is valued in rl, most people will burn out.. thankful I chose the cheaper path, and albeit I got suckered and bought chest rolls, thank God I havent blown thousands.. just a couple of hundred.. thanks for the post to stay focused on daily play..not $$$ play

[n3r086]

deianira no longer works for pvp? i keep dealing 5-6 damage. =.=

yep :p

thank you for visiting :D

PS: I still uses another generals though :p