More invisible guild abilities

[sylvia_dianne]

Last time I posted about a non existent cleric ability "Hero Power" that causes defeat when the enemy hits a poly which has been used on her/him.

Tonight's mystery is how a rogue gets no damage even when not evading. This isn't just one time, it is several. He was being attacked by another Rogue thru a poly. He stayed in the 700's the entire time. I observed this phenomena and the last time my guildmate hit the rogue he posted the results in our chat and i've pasted them below:

Your target is freed from polymorph!
You are victorious in battle, taking 0 damage and dealing 242 damage to your enemy.
Lurkish inflicts +100 Damage upon Victory.

(level 90 rogue against 197 rogue) After this hit, the pts went from 734 to 709. He was not active. There were no unstunned clerics in his gate. The odds that a cleric in another gate would choose to heal this one person out of 98 members at exactly the same time as the rogue was attacked would be considered what?? Astronomical?? 5 hour battle, 98 members. number of attacks? nope i can't do the math.

If there hadn't been abt 4 hits previously (1 evade) that were reported to me I would have found this skeptical, but I refreshed and checked each time and it seemed out of the norm big time.

[Strider the Rogue]

again... pic please, it would be easier to see what happen if you post a screen shot of it.

and oh yeah just to be clear, a polied rogue can still evade.

[lionheart555]

Better yet, make a video of this happening. Camtasia works well to screen record. You can post to youtube. It takes awhile, but it seems like these problems are only happening to you. And that usually indicates that there are more reasonable explanations for what is really happening.

[RawrGiovanni]

a rogue under poly can still evade even a confused one can still evade.

[sylvia_dianne]

again... pic please, it would be easier to see what happen if you post a screen shot of it.

and oh yeah just to be clear, a polied rogue can still evade.

and oh yea, i posted what the result of that attack was and it was NOT evaded. Did you miss that? What good does a screen shot do that the the words that were on the screen couldn't? I am very well aware of the facts of what each class can do because I have used all of them except warrior. I now evades can happen and I know that the attack result always tells you whether or not the rogue evaded your attack. This attack was not evaded and I typed what Lurkish copy and pasted into our guild chat.

I know you want a screenshot of everything I post, but the posted statement is word for word what the results of that hit were. In order to "prove" what happened, I would need a screen shot of the rogue's hp before the hit and then another one after the hit and a screenshot of the results of the hit. The fact is, this guy somehow only received a minute amount of damage and it was NOT an evade and it happened more than once. One of the hits I know was an evade, but as you can see from the copy/paste results shown do not represent an evade.

It seems my guildmate commented in the battle log.

"(Removed Name)
of Vavasseurs and Beyond wrote:
"25 damage on Gabriel?? What ability is that?? It's one thing to be evaded but this is not normal and it happened 3 other times with 1 evade in the middle. As you can see below, there was no evade."
3 hours, 47 minutes ago:
(Removed Name)
of Vavasseurs and Beyond wrote:
" Your target is freed from polymorph!You are victorious in battle, taking 0 damage and dealing 242 damage to your enemy.Lurkish inflicts +100 Damage upon Victory."
3 hours, 48 minutes ago:
(Removed Name)
of Vavasseurs and Beyond wrote:
"Good Battle. One thing I'd like to know tho. How was your rogue Gabriel able to get no damage when there we no evade, no heal from clerics and was being hit thru poly. This happen several times and the last time I copied the results to show it was not normal and his before hit was 734 and afterward it was 709. This is an inactive rogue, and no unstunned clerics left in the gate. "

[tjjl]

Did you miss that? What good does a screen shot do that the the words that were on the screen couldn't? I am very well aware of the facts of what each class can do because I have used all of them except warrior.

Why are you posting here then? Being sarcastic to people that are trying to help you usually doesn't end well.
OT, this belongs in tech support...if its "clearly" a bug...

[sylvia_dianne]

Better yet, make a video of this happening. Camtasia works well to screen record. You can post to youtube. It takes awhile, but it seems like these problems are only happening to you. And that usually indicates that there are more reasonable explanations for what is really happening.

I doubt that these weird things are only happening to my guild. I'm just the only person who has posted in here because most people don't pay much attention. I'm a detail person and when someone comments that something weird is going on I don't ignore it. It's kind of like commenting on the brown boot-out screen . It turns out that the people in my guild weren't the only ones it was happening to, right? However, in that thread there were many who had no idea that was even happening. Just because you don't witness it, it doesn't mean it isn't real.

[sylvia_dianne]

Why are you posting here then? Being sarcastic to people that are trying to help you usually doesn't end well.
OT, this belongs in tech support...if its "clearly" a bug...

Actually, I don't think it's a bug, I think it's cheating. Like Hero Power (lost hitting a poly) that know one had ever heard of. That happened to two of us and so I posted that in here to find out what the heck that was. No one had heard of it. Yes I was a bit sarcastic but it was in reply to something that was a bit sarcastic also. One thing I've noticed abt people who reply to posts and that is they don't read the original post closely. Another, they seem to assume that people are stupid and don't know what's what. Not every situation needs a screenshot. There is no way that a picture showing words would tell you anything different than seeing a copy/paste of the same words. I do get a bit grumpy when fighting a guild twice our size that seems to have abilities that can't be explained. That's why I ask.

[web_fredo]

Not every situation needs a screenshot
Yes but it could help :p

no heal from clerics How do you know that ? there was no cleric in the other guild ? They could have healed this "poly" rogue with near 700 health...

[tjjl]

Fair enough,
So basically the problem is, the rogue only received 25 damage, even though he SHOULD have received 200+.
Possibilities (in my opinion)
1. It was extreme luck, and some cleric DID heal him (from what you have said, this seems unlikely)
2. There is a bug, and the player is in fact taking less damage.
3. There is someone with guardian (new warrior ability), and they are siphoning the damage away.
4. Hax (self explainatory)
5. Resistance IV + Daphne + whatever else that deflects damage (kinda counteracted by the 0 damage received part)

Im leaning towards 2 or 3, but only because I don't understand exactly how guardian works.

[web_fredo]

I don't understand exactly how guardian works.
damage-15 are transfered to the guardian/warrior...
But does it show something in log, i don't know... ?

+ Daphne + should have seen a message in log for this one i think...

[Le Fallen]

Another CSI: CA thread from the same person it seems :rolleyes:
As others have said.. maybe the Rogue had Sentinel/Guardian on, but only a screenshot could prove this.
Ultimately....it's possible the Rogue just evaded the attack.
There, mystery solved. Now go do something useful like increasing your effective attack so you don't have to poly people that are lvl197!

[Spellfire]

next time when OP or guild member hits and get this weird results, screen capture immediately to capture the battle results and all it's text.

[JasonCA]

Don't know if it's related to this topic, but I had noticed previously in arena4, when hitting polymorphs off, rogues can sometimes evade even my damage boost from leadership4, taking a total of 0 damage. Read somewhere here that they can't avoid that damage.

Didn't really make much of it then, believing it might be an issue with the guild battle calculation system rather then some guild ability. Seems like the issue might be linked to polymorph, I'll look out under normal circumstances if this weird issue happens again in my future guild battles.

[Strider the Rogue]

and oh yea, i posted what the result of that attack was and it was NOT evaded. Did you miss that? What good does a screen shot do that the the words that were on the screen couldn't? I am very well aware of the facts of what each class can do because I have used all of them except warrior. I now evades can happen and I know that the attack result always tells you whether or not the rogue evaded your attack. This attack was not evaded and I typed what Lurkish copy and pasted into our guild chat.

I know you want a screenshot of everything I post, but the posted statement is word for word what the results of that hit were. In order to "prove" what happened, I would need a screen shot of the rogue's hp before the hit and then another one after the hit and a screenshot of the results of the hit. The fact is, this guy somehow only received a minute amount of damage and it was NOT an evade and it happened more than once. One of the hits I know was an evade, but as you can see from the copy/paste results shown do not represent an evade.

screen shot would help to see what happen, because what has happen here turns to "he said she said" situation... and the fact is, it's also not happened to you but a story from your guildmate.

And I don't miss you said that the rogue didn't evade, just want to make it clear that polied rogue can still evade, because aparently there are people that still think it's not possible.

It seems my guildmate commented in the battle log.

"(Removed Name)
of Vavasseurs and Beyond wrote:
"25 damage on Gabriel?? What ability is that?? It's one thing to be evaded but this is not normal and it happened 3 other times with 1 evade in the middle. As you can see below, there was no evade."
3 hours, 47 minutes ago:
(Removed Name)
of Vavasseurs and Beyond wrote:
" Your target is freed from polymorph!You are victorious in battle, taking 0 damage and dealing 242 damage to your enemy.Lurkish inflicts +100 Damage upon Victory."
3 hours, 48 minutes ago:
(Removed Name)
of Vavasseurs and Beyond wrote:
"Good Battle. One thing I'd like to know tho. How was your rogue Gabriel able to get no damage when there we no evade, no heal from clerics and was being hit thru poly. This happen several times and the last time I copied the results to show it was not normal and his before hit was 734 and afterward it was 709. This is an inactive rogue, and no unstunned clerics left in the gate. "

second how do you possibly even confirmed there's no heal from clerics? You do know that clerics from different tower can [heal] right?

[Strider the Rogue]

Don't know if it's related to this topic, but I had noticed previously in arena4, when hitting polymorphs off, rogues can sometimes evade even my damage boost from leadership4, taking a total of 0 damage. Read somewhere here that they can't avoid that damage.

Didn't really make much of it then, believing it might be an issue with the guild battle calculation system rather then some guild ability. Seems like the issue might be linked to polymorph, I'll look out under normal circumstances if this weird issue happens again in my future guild battles.

to my understanding [leadership] bonus damage can be [evaded], the ones that can't be evaded is bonus damage from [confidence]

[jlm88]

to my understanding [leadership] bonus damage can be [evaded], the ones that can't be evaded is bonus damage from [confidence]

I played as a Warrior for a lot of my battles in Arena IV and I'm pretty sure Rogues can't evade both Leadership and Confidence bonus.

[Strider the Rogue]

okay then, I stand corrected...

[JasonCA]

okay then, I stand corrected...

jlm88 stated that both leadership AND confidence cannot be evaded. This means that my case of rogues evading leadership when hit during a polymorph is still a valid bug.

[solkyro]

jlm88 stated that both leadership AND confidence cannot be evaded. This means that my case of rogues evading leadership when hit during a polymorph is still a valid bug.

not a bug, more likely a glitch

[FrankyL]

to my understanding [leadership] bonus damage can be [evaded], the ones that can't be evaded is bonus damage from [confidence]

Whenever a rogue evades me, he (or she) still takes damage from confidence and shout. And then from another hit 'cause I'm mad that they evaded the first one.

Stay still so I can kill you, dammit!

[Syckotix]

Sounds like Sentinel or guardian. The warrior resists 15 damage and takes 200 damage from the one guarded, that's guardian's ability.

[lionheart555]

I doubt that these weird things are only happening to my guild. I'm just the only person who has posted in here because most people don't pay much attention. I'm a detail person and when someone comments that something weird is going on I don't ignore it. It's kind of like commenting on the brown boot-out screen . It turns out that the people in my guild weren't the only ones it was happening to, right? However, in that thread there were many who had no idea that was even happening. Just because you don't witness it, it doesn't mean it isn't real.

Well, next time you notice something unusual use a screen recorder and post a video along with exactly what happened. You can also take screenshots to show before/after scenarios as the vids I admit can be blurry.

[mith]

Actually, I don't think it's a bug, I think it's cheating.

So you think a completely inactive rogue is doing something to cheat in a battle he's not even fighting?

[mith]

Ultimately....it's possible the Rogue just evaded the attack.
There, mystery solved. Now go do something useful like increasing your effective attack so you don't have to poly people that are lvl197!

An evasion would have been listed in the message, and the target would have taken 0 damage.

[Iswald]

Fair enough,
3. There is someone with guardian (new warrior ability), and they are siphoning the damage away.

5. Resistance IV + Daphne + whatever else that deflects damage (kinda counteracted by the 0 damage received part)


There would be a message if Guardian/Sentinal or Daphne/Pesephone was in play. Any changes would have been reflected in the total damage.

[KingMC18]

Tonight's mystery is how a rogue gets no damage even when not evading. This isn't just one time, it is several. He was being attacked by another Rogue thru a poly. He stayed in the 700's the entire time. I observed this phenomena and the last time my guildmate hit the rogue he posted the results in our chat and i've pasted them below:

*boring stuff*

After this hit, the pts went from 734 to 709. He was not active. There were no unstunned clerics in his gate. The odds that a cleric in another gate would choose to heal this one person out of 98 members at exactly the same time as the rogue was attacked would be considered what?? Astronomical?? 5 hour battle, 98 members. number of attacks? nope i can't do the math.

This appears to be a typical case of bad timing on the part of the opponent's clerics. Yes, you might have been refreshing, but I've seen a few people that I'm attacking gain 1000 health in the time inbetween hits, so 200 is not unheard of by a long shot. next time, take a screenshot, text means nothing. :)

[crash1]

you are all asking for screen shots, for all us old folks and the not so smart
HOW ?

[KingMC18]

If you have a Mac, Hold "Shift" and "Command" together and hit the "3" button. If you have a Windows computer, may god have mercy on your souls.

[Goatherd]

you are all asking for screen shots, for all us old folks and the not so smart
HOW ?

From Tech. Support:

http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showthread.php?t=53479

[Strider the Rogue]

you are all asking for screen shots, for all us old folks and the not so smart
HOW ?

If you have a Mac, Hold "Shift" and "Command" together and hit the "3" button. If you have a Windows computer, may god have mercy on your souls.

From Tech. Support:

http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showthread.php?t=53479


for windows, look for printscreen button on your top row of button on your keyboard (the button listed as "PrtSc")

When something you want to take a screen shot comes along, push that button, go to "Paint" program and pres [ctrl]+[v]
Then save the file and go to that site in the tech support (imgur).

If everything fails, you can always take a picture of your screen with your digicam or cell phone.

[James Bloom-Scheff]

not a bug, more likely a glitch

Same thing.

[ledabadis]

Why do people who don't understand why something happened go to "Someone must be cheating". I had a circumstance recently where someone jumped to that conclusion and ended up going to the Devs to be told what I had told them in the first place. NOT CHEATING!!!

Oh and did I mention they got chained for their incorrect conclusion? For a week.... then they apologized and admitted they had jump to a conclusion with no basis in fact.

Screen shots have details in them that may have been missed by the person who thinks something shouldn't have happened the way it did.

To think that another Cleric in another gate couldn't have healed right at that time or the odds would be "astronomical" is to also deny a simple explanation for something not happening as the OP thought it should.

This may seem harsh to the OP but I have been on the other side of this and you are implying that someone cheated simply because you don't understand something.

[solkyro]

Same thing.

different things. glitches are short lived. bugs may be more persistent

[The Flirt]

If there is a secret guild ability out there... I will be pissed.

I have them all! I dont need a new one to chase down damn it.

[Red_Erik]

Was the attacker using Tyxeros? That could explain 0 damage

[Iswald]

Was the attacker using Tyxeros? That could explain 0 damage

The damage was shown to be 242. I'm inclined to think they didn't hit who they intended or they were looking at the health on the wrong person. Either of these would answer both 'problems' that were brought up.