***OFFICIAL*** Arena IV Comment Thread ~ Week One

[plague]

Can someone help me with the calculation here?

I am stunned currently. I attacked while stunned and won. This is the damage report.

---------------
You are victorious in battle, taking 50 damage and dealing 169 damage to your enemy.
xxxxxx lost their power due to being Stunned
xxxxxx only inflicted half damage because of their low health
xxxxxx's Bonus Victory Damage Buffs: deals an extra 90 damage
xxxxxx's Bonus Damage Buffs: deals an extra 20 damage
xxxxxx gains more confidence on their victory, they will now do more damage on victory!

And through reinforcement, Bonus 4: +50 Total Bonus Damage On Victory!
---------------

I'm confused about the figures. bonus damage buff from my abilities come to 110. And the reinforcement is 50. So I did only 9 damage without them? That can't be right can it. Even if it's half the damage because I'm stunned, then total damage if I'm not stunned is 18.

I'm confused about this low number. 160 is around half the damage on average I do when my confidence is at max 90.

Are the reinforcement damage inclusive in the damage mentioned in the 1st line or is that additional to the 169?

edit:

next hit was 156. That's lower than 90 (confidence) + 20 (leadership) + 50 (reinforcement). So that should mean that the total is not inclusive of reinforcement. But the damage I've done to the player's health is only 156. So either the calculation is wrong or I'm not getting reinforcement damage for the win.

[Homey]

Is it random chance or does the arena pit you against people close to your level..
Just got home and finally got a chance to join the fun. Everyone in the battles is within 150 levels higher or lower than I am on both teams..

[wizard rose]

It's random. Mine has from 15x to 117x.

[Kenneth]

lvls of ppl in ur or other guild is random... but all r the same rank as u.

did u account for ur opponents resistsance? -40

[hetejorn]

Can someone help me with the calculation here?

I am stunned currently. I attacked while stunned and won. This is the damage report.

---------------
You are victorious in battle, taking 50 damage and dealing 169 damage to your enemy.
xxxxxx lost their power due to being Stunned
xxxxxx only inflicted half damage because of their low health
xxxxxx's Bonus Victory Damage Buffs: deals an extra 90 damage
xxxxxx's Bonus Damage Buffs: deals an extra 20 damage
xxxxxx gains more confidence on their victory, they will now do more damage on victory!

And through reinforcement, Bonus 4: +50 Total Bonus Damage On Victory!
---------------

I'm confused about the figures. bonus damage buff from my abilities come to 110. And the reinforcement is 50. So I did only 9 damage without them? That can't be right can it. Even if it's half the damage because I'm stunned, then total damage if I'm not stunned is 18.

I'm confused about this low number. 160 is around half the damage on average I do when my confidence is at max 90.

Are the reinforcement damage inclusive in the damage mentioned in the 1st line or is that additional to the 169?

edit:

next hit was 156. That's lower than 90 (confidence) + 20 (leadership) + 50 (reinforcement). So that should mean that the total is not inclusive of reinforcement. But the damage I've done to the player's health is only 156. So either the calculation is wrong or I'm not getting reinforcement damage for the win.

Looking at the numbers, I'd say that the bonus damage is halved to. Seems wrong to me but than the numbers add up... 80 bonus damge and 89 "base damage"... :S

[Rezface]

hmm... I'll have to pay closer attention to this. I didn't notice anything in my last battle. :confused:

[MadKing]

Can someone help me with the calculation here?

I am stunned currently. I attacked while stunned and won. This is the damage report.

---------------
You are victorious in battle, taking 50 damage and dealing 169 damage to your enemy.
xxxxxx lost their power due to being Stunned
xxxxxx only inflicted half damage because of their low health
xxxxxx's Bonus Victory Damage Buffs: deals an extra 90 damage
xxxxxx's Bonus Damage Buffs: deals an extra 20 damage
xxxxxx gains more confidence on their victory, they will now do more damage on victory!

And through reinforcement, Bonus 4: +50 Total Bonus Damage On Victory!
---------------

I'm confused about the figures. bonus damage buff from my abilities come to 110. And the reinforcement is 50. So I did only 9 damage without them? That can't be right can it. Even if it's half the damage because I'm stunned, then total damage if I'm not stunned is 18.

I'm confused about this low number. 160 is around half the damage on average I do when my confidence is at max 90.

Are the reinforcement damage inclusive in the damage mentioned in the 1st line or is that additional to the 169?

edit:

next hit was 156. That's lower than 90 (confidence) + 20 (leadership) + 50 (reinforcement). So that should mean that the total is not inclusive of reinforcement. But the damage I've done to the player's health is only 156. So either the calculation is wrong or I'm not getting reinforcement damage for the win.

I deal around the same dmg with or without reinforcement.. stunned or unstunned.. I don't think it's working

[alnitak]

OK...I have to admit it, the devs obviously worked hard to correct the problems. Once I was able to get into the 7:00pm EDT battle (five minutes late), it was pretty smooth sailing from then on, including greatly improved response time. Although I've done some griping on the first couple of battles, I will give credit where credit is due...they seem to have address at least some of the Arena battle issues. Now as for the rest of CA's problems....

I should have known I spoke too soon. In a battle now, beating this Cleric for 240 points...I know because I killed her with my health only dropping a bit. However, they only gave me 100 points as in a defeat, but then, kept resetting my coins and points! It's just as bad, if not worse, as before.

[Conan2000]

It is working now. I have been in 3 battles so far.

[Kenoghar]

Hey,

Sorry, not enought time to read all the previous pages.

Yesterday, as many people, I wasn't ablo to enter the arena to collect my 4160 BAP :mad:
Well, 1st, I would like my BAP come back (yes, I am dreaming a bit),
AND 2nd : if not, I would like my 5 FP paid back !!!!!!! (or it means it is a theft)

Many thanks !

[Shonie]

What's 5 fp worth? Like 50 cents?
You should hire a lawyer to begin the recovery process

[KismetKat]

Confusing inactives - SO helpful for a team win.

[n3r086]

spamming poly on inactives enemies just to get easy 240 pts - waste of tokens

[gifty]

i always scoop up polymorphed targets when I see them. free points. I know it doesn't help the team much but I'm greedy.

[MarTooth]

Course we could, at this point, all consider bothering to enter it at all as idiocy, lol

[gifty]

i only got in 4 battles on the first day because noon hour and 2 pm hour battles were blocked by the castle age server snafu. So the earliest I could log on and battle was the 4 pm hour.

I hope the missed battle doesn't come back and bite my ass, causing me to lose vanguard rank and the only item worth having from Arena 4 (the BIS gloves).

Solly, toobadjoe.

[MarTooth]

Don't worry, that's still 3 more than the entirity of Europe got. First battle a lot couldn't get into at all and of those that did a lot were unable to collect, second battle was aborted so for the vast majority 4 was the maximum possible.

[hetejorn]

i only got in 4 battles on the first day because noon hour and 2 pm hour battles were blocked by the castle age server snafu. So the earliest I could log on and battle was the 4 pm hour.

I hope the missed battle doesn't come back and bite my ass, causing me to lose vanguard rank and the only item worth having from Arena 4 (the BIS gloves).

Solly, toobadjoe.

Wow, you really had to open up a new thread just to say THAT?

[plague]

I deal around the same dmg with or without reinforcement.. stunned or unstunned.. I don't think it's working

I agree. Just finished attacking someone I've met in battles before (unstunned this time). Doing the same exact amount as before when I didn't have reinforcements.

Hope the devs are aware that it's not working.

[megavalve]

http://apps.facebook.com/castle_age/arena_battle.php?id=716

so many warriors in my gate.
lol

[thomasj8]

Hey,

Sorry, not enought time to read all the previous pages.

Yesterday, as many people, I wasn't ablo to enter the arena to collect my 4160 BAP :mad:
Well, 1st, I would like my BAP come back (yes, I am dreaming a bit),
AND 2nd : if not, I would like my 5 FP paid back !!!!!!! (or it means it is a theft)

Many thanks !

The forum is not the place to request a refund. You need to do that through the Facebook 'Report/Contact This App' link.

[esjo]

Mmm first battle on arena 4, and only me and an opponent have activity points... this is so lame!

[tjjl]

poly the same target time after time. THATS idiocy.




and based on that logic, I'm an idiot :p

[MarTooth]

oft happens first battle if late starting as most who are bothering with arena have ranked up so you won't see and battle with/against em till you rank up.

[Suraklin]

CA devs not being able to figure out how to code auto-collection for when one has actual real life things to do that mean you can't camp out on their game for hours at a time.

This is just one more reason why it is now over a year since I bought any FP for this increasingly shambolic 'game'.

[Amanojaku]

my biggest suprise/dissapointment/complaint would have to be the -25% for the losing team after enormous pushback on that for arena 3. adding the +25% is MORE than enough bonus for the winners. double edged sword for the losers.

[Rnag8d]

my biggest suprise/dissapointment/complaint would have to be the -25% for the losing team after enormous pushback on that for arena 3. adding the +25% is MORE than enough bonus for the winners. double edged sword for the losers.

agreed, especially since they are using the guild battle format and you're being thrown in with who knows, n00bs, babho's, etc, etc...

if it had to be guild then make it already established guild...if not, lose the dang guild format and let it be one on one...

[Ulet]

I thought they postponed ARENA until August 2nd. Turned out that it was FGB they sacrificed for Arena. Missed all the battles today.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_En03Ia-msvA/Swv0SU2W5dI/AAAAAAAAAQQ/rp7g6MKdM5Y/s1600/ffffffuuuuuuuu.png

[klimoo]

my biggest suprise/dissapointment/complaint would have to be the -25% for the losing team after enormous pushback on that for arena 3. adding the +25% is MORE than enough bonus for the winners. double edged sword for the losers.

The intention is to put the players under pressure this way = higher chance someone to consider buying a refill on order to try turning the odds in their favor.

[Xelliz]

my biggest suprise/dissapointment/complaint would have to be the -25% for the losing team after enormous pushback on that for arena 3. adding the +25% is MORE than enough bonus for the winners. double edged sword for the losers.

I agree...its depressing when you win 90% to 100% of your fights during the battle only to have your random guild lose again. I've done 3 guild battles and I have less pts then some people posted after their very 1st one

[megavalve]

8th continuous trip. wtf?

[Cybotage]

Its pointless trying to play Arena IV. Why:

1. Takes ages to get in
2. Battle list disappears after every hit or blank screen
3. Start CA -> Battles -> Arena -> Enter Battle -> Duel -> Crash and have to restart the whole process. Maybe after ten minutes you will have your first hit in.

It really sux!

[Kusanami]

Doesn't help that the server reset in the middle of the fight, where 10 tokens worth of progress got wiped then continuously tripping to try to get back in.

[wizard rose]

Service Unavailable
This server is temporarily unable to service requests.(Internal-Reason: 132) :(

[n3r086]

Service Unavailable
This server is temporarily unable to service requests.(Internal-Reason: 132)

oh yes, we got another crash ppl :(

[megavalve]

refilled my token, got 10 tokens for a few secs. and then it glitched. i have 0 tokens.


and now CA is down. *(#!YR(!@#YR)#!HUJR)(!#VU JR)(V#UJ)R#!UJ)R#!UR#!R$#!$#!$#!@$#!

[Devil Of Apocalypse]

oh goodie. server taken down again :)

[Flip Stoneskipper]

With the amount of damage the blue swirly is doing to CA would it be possible to make it a class ability that does damage or screws up battling across all gates? I would buy it in a heart beat.

Just dropped 11 tokens in Arena and now I can not get back in to the battle. Blue Swirly and Service Unavailable.

[Baub {M∉r¢} Dylan]

:( man is this another reset ):

[Raven Black]

Service Unavailable
This server is temporarily unable to service requests.(Internal-Reason: 132)

Oh hellz yeah this rocks :rolleyes:

[Bristolen]

it is 6:26 AM devvy time.

:(:(:(:(

[FrankyL]

I've got Arena Blue Balls... how about you?

[Gaz123]

Think its about time, the devs spent some of the money they get from people, to upgrade the servers, instead of counting it all lol.

[JBSmallz]

yup, I had just refilled my tokens as well. Then boom. Good job CA

[cinbkk]

Wasted 20 stamina as, after 3 hits, it says I'm not in this battle. And now crash...yup, this sucks...you'd think they had learned from previous launches that are always popular

[jlm88]

I hope I get a refund. My refill disappeared as well.

[wizard rose]

it is 6:26 AM devvy time.

:(:(:(

Devs should never sleep:p

[hane]

IT IS DOWN AGAIN, hohohoho!

[alnitak]

I get this, and I'm in the middle of a battle.

This server is temporarily unable to service requests.(Internal-Reason: 132)

[Xelliz]

So it seems like everything was good because 1/2 the people went to bed. Trying to do Arena this morning and its just like yesterday when it started.

[Raven Black]

I'd like to welcome all the American players that have just woken up and decided to play and crashed the server :p

I blame you :D

or we could all join Robin Williams and blame Canada instead

[Purps]

I gave up last night so thought I would try again today. Managed to get in and crash. O the joys.

I take it we are the Beta testers for when Arena 4 comes out for real, because I would hate to think this is the final product?

[Devil Of Apocalypse]

k, seems like its back

[wizard rose]

I just got back in and hit 3 times without the blue toilet bowl showing up! :D

[Bristolen]

shhhhh!!! you arent supposed to tell people this. they give up on arena battle, and no more blue balls for us. no points for them.

win win situation....for us ;)

[Baub {M∉r¢} Dylan]

Is there a reason I'm missing a battle? 5 yesterday 2nd to day and says 2 remaining. Hmm wonders where it went to?

[evuxR]

I'd like to welcome all the American players that have just woken up and decided to play and crashed the server :p

I blame you :D

or we could all join Robin Williams and blame Canada instead

I so totally agree that USA peeps just woke up and crashed servers or maybe those were Canadians... big booooo to everyone :D


As friends says - Life is like your c***! Sometimes it just gets hard for no reason!!!!!!!!

[Thela]

Ok i am not sure if i am opening this post in right place + my english is not great, but i will try to explain my problem. in arena i cant add 5 friends to boost my damage ( actually i cant add any friends in arena) the problem is when i am dueling in arena and there is window for adding friends i am pressing it and going in army invite section, then i am inviting them, they geting my invite and accepting it, (tested with my friend so i am sure about it) but again when i am dueling i still have 0 friends, so basicly i am losing every duel ofc. laking extra 50 damage or so.

if i am doing somthing wrond plz help me about it and again sorry for my bad english

[evuxR]

Ok i am not sure if i am opening this post in right place + my english is not great, but i will try to explain my problem. in arena i cant add 5 friends to boost my damage ( actually i cant add any friends in arena) the problem is when i am dueling in arena and there is window for adding friends i am pressing it and going in army invite section, then i am inviting them, they geting my invite and accepting it, (tested with my friend so i am sure about it) but again when i am dueling i still have 0 friends, so basicly i am losing every duel ofc. laking extra 50 damage or so.

if i am doing somthing wrond plz help me about it and again sorry for my bad english

I would say you don't lose much, as I have all 4 slots filled and still don't get that extra +50 damage :confused:

[Purps]

The friends just add damage not an increase to the win (I believe) and secondly its bugged at the moment so don't worry about that. Just keep using tokens as fast as you can before the systems crashes again.

[hetejorn]

Maybe you should not click as fast as you can, cause all those fast clickers prolly make the ball swirl. I haven't had any problems until US wake up call BTW, So I hope for you guys, that things will run smoother when Asia and/or Europe goes to bed...

[Kenneth]

Is there a reason I'm missing a battle? 5 yesterday 2nd to day and says 2 remaining. Hmm wonders where it went to?

have the same issue...prolly just a counter issue, hope i dont get screwed out of a battle

[Baub {M∉r¢} Dylan]

Quote:
have the same issue...prolly just a counter issue, hope i dont get screwed out of a battle

Me too! I have 42k but still better safe than sorry!

[Kenneth]

42k? well im glad im only going for Vanguard...im just at 18k :/

looks like the cut off is still pretty low...but i know how in other arenas it would begin to snowball after a while

however this one has limited everything...so interested to see the curvature in the graphs that they make...

[Amanojaku]

refilled my token, got 10 tokens for a few secs. and then it glitched. i have 0 tokens.


and now CA is down. *(#!YR(!@#YR)#!HUJR)(!#VU JR)(V#UJ)R#!UJ)R#!UR#!R$#!$#!$#!@$#!

this happened to me too... although the game was nice enough to let me REBUY and take double the FP!

[Tsuteto]

Realizing I'm WAY too squishy for arena XD This last battle I just got in killed me before I even got an attack off! ^^;;

[jlm88]

I'm missing a battle as well.

[hetejorn]

Realizing I'm WAY too squishy for arena XD This last battle I just got in killed me before I even got an attack off! ^^;;

Don't worry, With BSI 6.2, people think I need to die before being able to attack. Was down to 300 health before I could say pap.

[MadKing]

I didn't enter any battles today after it was reset but it shows Battles Remaining Today: 4??? Does anyone hv similar problem?? :(

[dakkkara]

Have anyone noticed that Evade power is now more frequent??

[Amanojaku]

I've noticed the tripped while running/attacking ratio has increased to about 2/3. pretty f*n annoying as that could be the difference between a full power and half power swing.

[waxlion]

Lewis Black on Arena

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8yuvMsvNqY

[Hockeyelf69]

I didn't enter any battles today after it was reset but it shows Battles Remaining Today: 4??? Does anyone hv similar problem?? :(

Yes, having this issue and I've seen numerous FB posts to this issue as well. Chalk up another WTF. For me, I've played 2 battles and it's showing I have ZERO battles left to play. :mad:

[Xelliz]

Have anyone noticed that Evade power is now more frequent??

for frequent that what? festival battle? I miss because of evade roughly 75% of the time I attack rogues.

[bugfight]

i only showed 4 left for today, too.
we'll see if it prevents entering a 5th...

[Death of Rats]

Its pointless trying to play Arena IV. Why:

1. Takes ages to get in
2. Battle list disappears after every hit or blank screen
3. Start CA -> Battles -> Arena -> Enter Battle -> Duel -> Crash and have to restart the whole process. Maybe after ten minutes you will have your first hit in.

It really sux!
Once you Enter the battle, click [Your Team], then right click [Enemy Team] and choose to open in new tab/window. That's your battle's link. When you have load issues, just refresh (F5) the page.

I'd like to welcome all the American players that have just woken up and decided to play and crashed the server :p

I blame you :D

or we could all join Robin Williams and blame Canada instead
Can't blame all of us. At 6:30 in the morning (timestamp on your post), I like to be asleep still. So blame the East Coast. :p

[Xelliz]

Can't blame all of us. At 6:30 in the morning (timestamp on your post), I like to be asleep still. So blame the East Coast. :p
Not my fault...I'm in CST and it was smooth at 6:50 when I jumped in game to sneak into that battle.

[hydra-slayer]

How about passive points for being in a winning team, without having to participate or claim points?

[grips]

Maybe I've just been unlucky, but it seems to me I'm losing a lot more battles than I ever have in guild or festival. I'm level 190 with a BSI over 8 (balanced) and I am accustomed to winning better than 90% of my battles when I attack anyone 100-150 levels or more above me (Alpha guild). So, does anyone know if the rules are different, or are mainly high BSI players joining?

[katla]

When does the count reset, when I woke up my count was still the exact same as what i had left it

[Death of Rats]

Maybe I've just been unlucky, but it seems to me I'm losing a lot more battles than I ever have in guild or festival. I'm level 190 with a BSI over 8 (balanced) and I am accustomed to winning better than 90% of my battles when I attack anyone 100-150 levels or more above me (Alpha guild). So, does anyone know if the rules are different, or are mainly high BSI players joining?
The latter.

When does the count reset, when I woke up my count was still the exact same as what i had left it

It's based on the Pacific time zone. The reset was 13 hours ago and will happen again in 11 hours.

[Matezma]

When does the count reset, when I woke up my count was still the exact same as what i had left it

Battle > Arena

Your Current Rank: Alpha Vanguard (Top 0 - 2%)
Finish Arena with Alpha Vanguard Status to claim your reward!
Come Back in 10:58:20 to see your UPDATED daily score <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[katla]

Battle > Arena

Your Current Rank: Alpha Vanguard (Top 0 - 2%)
Finish Arena with Alpha Vanguard Status to claim your reward!
Come Back in 10:58:20 to see your UPDATED daily score <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

But, then why didn't the count reset the first time the ranks were recalculated?

[Matezma]

But, then why didn't the count reset the first time the ranks were recalculated?

When was that? 13-14 hours ago? The first 'day' was only 12hrs long, not sure if that helps.

Edit: My counter seems to be stuck on 2 days. Though I've already participated in 5 battles.

[katla]

I'm well aware, but I'm saying that my battle count was the exact same before and after the cuttoffs were calculated. So, unless something is drastically wrong that means that the first day is not 12 hours like it is suggested, but 36 hours.

[Matezma]

Mine updated. Though the counter doesn't seem to be working properly for me now.

[katla]

Mine updated. Though the counter doesn't seem to be working properly for me now.
Time to go post in technical support now....

[MikeyW]

Anyone else hate when you get pulled away from Castle Age to actually do the job that you were supposedly supposed to be doing instead of playing Castle Age in the first place?
post+1

[Contessa]

You Have Already Battled 5 Times!
Come Back Tomorrow For More!

wtf??? when does tomorrow start?

[SDHawk]

yea. I dont think Im happy with this outcome. I havent battled 5 times today

[thomasj8]

It's based on the Pacific time zone. The reset was 13 hours ago and will happen again in 11 hours.

If that was correct, I should not have been able to battle 4 times today and 3 times yesterday, all of which were within 24 hours of the arena launch yesterday at Noon PDT.

[SDHawk]

So a person, in their 5 battles a day, can buy a refill in each battle, essentially giving them 10 battles each day, but people who want to keep it as a "semblance" of some kind of test, and go through it with 0 refills, get screwed. Nice. Every time they do an arena, they get further and further from balanced. If you are going to place limits like 5 per day, you absolutely cannot allow refills. No limit is the only way people even the odds on stuff like that. Before, a person had an option. Either stay on 24 hours or pay to play. Now, there is no recourse for those who do not want to pay for refills. Nice job. I didn't complete the last arena because of things like this, guess Im done with this one even quicker. Anyone have a jahanna?

[Purps]

How to these groups get arranged? I thought I read somewhere if only 20 ppl join then the towers will have 5 in each.

Atm I have played 5 matches in ALL 5 I have had 5 to 8 active lvl low hundreds in my guild and they have had 5 in excess 1500 all active and 10-15 in the high hundreds all active. We all died very fast. If this is random then guess I am very unlucky. I hope this gets done so you sign up 5 mins b4 the start and then towers/guilds are assigned because I have no idea how this works atm.

[thomasj8]

So a person, in their 5 battles a day, can buy a refill in each battle, essentially giving them 10 battles each day, but people who want to keep it as a "semblance" of some kind of test, and go through it with 0 refills, get screwed. Nice. Every time they do an arena, they get further and further from balanced. If you are going to place limits like 5 per day, you absolutely cannot allow refills. No limit is the only way people even the odds on stuff like that. Before, a person had an option. Either stay on 24 hours or pay to play. Now, there is no recourse for those who do not want to pay for refills. Nice job. I didn't complete the last arena because of things like this, guess Im done with this one even quicker. Anyone have a jahanna?

Isn't it more like 7.4 battles a day instead of 10? That assumes someone pays in all 5 of their battles, which may not make sense if their team is obviously losing.

To me, the devs made changes that mean someone cannot buy a battle win, and that to make Alpha, you have to be very active. Last time some people made Alpha by only fighting 2-3 days, and taking the rest off.

No system of controls is perfect, but to me this is better than last time. That said, I don't like not being able to see the battles my character is in, since I maxed out on today's battles. I would like to spam the chat log, but CA won't allow me past main Arena page :/

[Contessa]

How to these groups get arranged? I thought I read somewhere if only 20 ppl join then the towers will have 5 in each.

Atm I have played 5 matches in ALL 5 I have had 5 to 8 active lvl low hundreds in my guild and they have had 5 in excess 1500 all active and 10-15 in the high hundreds all active. We all died very fast. If this is random then guess I am very unlucky. I hope this gets done so you sign up 5 mins b4 the start and then towers/guilds are assigned because I have no idea how this works atm.

its not random. they are out to get you. :p

[Chris w]

You Have Already Battled 5 Times!
Come Back Tomorrow For More!

wtf??? when does tomorrow start?

ummm, supposedly at 12am PDT, but mine never reset, so i never got to finish my battles... :mad:

[MarTooth]

a refill ups you tokens by roughly 50%.... Getting 240 ups your points by 50% over getting 160.... Most those who refill a lot are high level and thus tend to only get 160 points most the time.... So works out even in the battle of unicorns verses slow leveling, non-paying PvPers


Seems that those who battle between the first battle and the reset had 1 battle removed from todays 5 for some reason from what I can tell, prob due to some glitch with all the server issues and reboots needed during that time...

As those who battled during that time tho had an advantage (not their fault, design flaw) due to being in more preferable time zones to those who didn't battle it evens out a bit even if a tad annoying if on the receiving end of only getting 4 today but remember, those who weren't in favourable time zones were lucky if they got 1 battle on the first day and any thought of staying up for them would have gone out the window with the site being down for hours.

[Contessa]

seriously i have to wait til midnight pst??? grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :mad:

*facepalms*

[wizard rose]

its not random. they are out to get you. :p

Why are they never after me:(

I've never been chained for days or had hatemail and now I'm in guild battles with people only up to 1100's. I mean really. Where is the fairness of that? :p

[Templarian]

You've probably heard this a million times before, but I hate the 25% penalty for losing because my team is full of idiots...

[Elisabeth9]

Yup, the no limit is unfair. However, I can't move my mind beyond how completely ridiculous and worse, pointless, Guild Battle Format is in reality. Join a battle, watch the mages grab the highest player they can regardless of health, click, click, click, maybe refill, click, click, curse out the players for being so stupid, click, click, click, win based on a) you lucked out and were on the side that tried and had half a clue, b) you lucked out and were on the side that refilled the most. c) occasionally both. I want those rewards, but.... I can't see myself doing this even 5 times a day. Even in these first few battles, I was kept thinking "Why the f am I doing this?". Go back to PvP Arenas, at least those were somewhat fun even if there were some pretty glaring unfairness in those. But this.... this is just.... pfft..... you know what I am talkin' 'bout. For now, I am joining, hitting, leaving, coming back, hitting, seeing who won. I can't invest more than that, what is the point. If I see my team is trying, I stay. For now. I am debating if I should even keep that up. I don't begrudge the developers their money making machine, hell... I'd even support it ... if it was worth it in regards to fun.

(edit: yeah yeah I know, all been said before...and better, lol.)

[thomasj8]

Seems that those who battle between the first battle and the reset had 1 battle removed from todays 5 for some reason from what I can tell, prob due to some glitch with all the server issues and reboots needed during that time...


I did not lose a battle today, and I was in three yesterday, including before the reset. Of course I also lost my Rank 7 in duel champions

seriously i have to wait til midnight pst??? grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :mad:

*facepalms*

It all revolves around PST. Blame Steve Jobs and Bill Gates :p

[Contessa]

well i am pst...thats not my issue. my issue is that it STARTED at noon...not freaking midnight... *head explodes*

[RAUKO]

So a person, in their 5 battles a day, can buy a refill in each battle, essentially giving them 10 battles each day

How did You calculate that?:confused:

I am sure there must be something wrong with that math, unless we all have 10 tokens per battle.

There are threads with valid info on the subject. You'll see that what You said is incorrect.

[Templarian]

At least with other Arenas, we weren't expected to babysit a computer for 5 hours. :(

[Chris w]

You've probably heard this a million times before, but I hate the 25% penalty for losing because my team is full of idiots...

:eek: ummmm, RIGHT!! This is BS, i hate that they will pick someone with 5000 health, and pend everything trying to tear down this one person, so STUPID!!

[lionheart555]

I actually am liking this arena. I found more success with cleric than with mage as poly was just failing sometimes on +240 and with cleric i was killing more to put my team ahead.

[Shonie]

The part I don't like is for some reason I'm put into arenas when I'm not playing.
For example a few minutes ago I just woke up and figured since I have 2 battles left today, I'd go get one done... so at 3 minutes to the hour i go log into Arena to sign myself up for one that starts at the top of the next hour... I use my 20 stamina and all of a sudden i enter a battle with 3 minutes left and I'm dead. Like what the hell? Why is my character being used when I'm not at the computer? Do those battles count against my total? If my AFK character is being used, how am I supposed to sign up for a battle that starts in a few minutes? So I used up the 10 tokens I had in the few minutes and now I'm down to 1 battle left today... kinda dumb. :(

[thomasj8]

At least with other Arenas, we weren't expected to babysit a computer for 5 hours. :(

Why would you do that?

[MarTooth]

I don't poly as a mage, use my passive with Zurran (and the other gen that boost him) to help lock down gates without having to hit targets already below 200 health but admit that will sometimes, at this stage, go for high health targets if it's the only safe 240 target... Usually able to find one with only 2 or 3K health tho... Think a lot are expecting it to be beyond their control who wins or looses and just going for optimum points at this stage, once all safely in their target rank it'll probably become more sensible when the realisation that there ISN'T unlimited refills means their own tactics do count kicks in :D

[Templarian]

Why would you do that?

How else are we supposed to attend 5 battles a day to ensure maximum points?

[katla]

The part I don't like is for some reason I'm put into arenas when I'm not playing.
For example a few minutes ago I just woke up and figured since I have 2 battles left today, I'd go get one done... so at 3 minutes to the hour i go log into Arena to sign myself up for one that starts at the top of the next hour... I use my 20 stamina and all of a sudden i enter a battle with 3 minutes left and I'm dead. Like what the hell? Why is my character being used when I'm not at the computer? Do those battles count against my total? If my AFK character is being used, how am I supposed to sign up for a battle that starts in a few minutes? So I used up the 10 tokens I had in the few minutes and now I'm down to 1 battle left today... kinda dumb. :(
But, in an actual regular guild battle or festival battle the exact same concept is used...why would in the arena things be any different. That's where the term active came from.

[lionheart555]

I don't poly as a mage, use my passive with Zurran (and the other gen that boost him) to help lock down gates without having to hit targets already below 200 health but admit that will sometimes, at this stage, go for high health targets if it's the only safe 240 target... Usually able to find one with only 2 or 3K health tho... Think a lot are expecting it to be beyond their control who wins or looses and just going for optimum points at this stage, once all safely in their target rank it'll probably become more sensible when the realisation that there ISN'T unlimited refills means their own tactics do count kicks in :D

If my team is overkilling ill fp refill poly if I'm mage :) (unless there is a chance for the speed wipeout)

might as well collect the extra points Lol.

[Purps]

People who go for points over the win I hope are in the other team.

240 -25% for loss = 180 points
160 +25% for win = 200 points

[tjjl]

@shonie.
if you don't actually enter the battle manually, it will not count towards one of your battles for the day. You will also not be able to collect points. However, if you enter, even if you don't collect your points, the battle will STILL count.

[tjjl]

I think the best way to go for points and win is to confuse actives, or poly them. Its better than polystacking one player, or polying a whole gate of inactives.

[Shonie]

@shonie.
if you don't actually enter the battle manually, it will not count towards one of your battles for the day. You will also not be able to collect points. However, if you enter, even if you don't collect your points, the battle will STILL count.

But if my body is being used, how am I supposed to start a new battle at the top of the next hour?

[tjjl]

But if my body is being used, how am I supposed to start a new battle at the top of the next hour?

i thought there was an hour break between each battle? :confused::confused:

[katla]

@shonie

The battles are run every two hours regardless if you join or not, you joining a battle has absolutely no effect on when the next battle occurs.

[Shonie]

But, in an actual regular guild battle or festival battle the exact same concept is used...why would in the arena things be any different. That's where the term active came from.

Say I want to start a new battle at 5pm... so i log on to Castle Age at 4:56pm after being away all day... and my freaking body is being used... now I have to wait until 6pm to play?

[Shonie]

@shonie

The battles are run every two hours regardless if you join or not, you joining a battle has absolutely no effect on when the next battle occurs.

hmm ok, so i guess I can only start battles on odd numbered hours then (I'm on mountain time). I'll have to remember that, thanks :)

[thomasj8]

How else are we supposed to attend 5 battles a day to ensure maximum points?

One option is a phone. Either computer or phone, you really only need to use it for less than 60 minutes over the course of 10 hours ;)

[tjjl]

yes, the battles are run on a pre-done schedule. They start for me at 2:30AM, 4:30AM, 6:30AM etc etc, and end at 3:30AM, 5:30AM, 7:30AM. This will not change no matter when I log on. The 55 minute break is there so you can collect.

[Templarian]

One option is a phone. Either computer or phone, you really only need to use it for less than 60 minutes over the course of 10 hours ;)

I guess. :p

Perhaps I'm being too vigilant by constantly refreshing each battle.

[Shonie]

yes, the battles are run on a pre-done schedule. They start for me at 2:30AM, 4:30AM, 6:30AM etc etc, and end at 3:30AM, 5:30AM, 7:30AM. This will not change no matter when I log on. The 55 minute break is there so you can collect.

I saw that attack on my wall yesterday. How did you find me??? :)

[katla]

yes, the battles are run on a pre-done schedule. They start for me at 2:30AM, 4:30AM, 6:30AM etc etc, and end at 3:30AM, 5:30AM, 7:30AM. This will not change no matter when I log on. The 55 minute break is there so you can collect.

Last I checked they ran starting on the hour, not the half hour.

[greychilli]

Say I want to start a new battle at 5pm... so i log on to Castle Age at 4:56pm after being away all day... and my freaking body is being used... now I have to wait until 6pm to play?

battles are every 2 hours not every hour

so if youve logged in at 4:56pm and theres a battle going that means there is no battle at 5pm there never will be.

for you that means every battle starts at an even number hour
eg, 2pm 4pm 6pm 8pm 10pm 12am 2am etc etc

[Shonie]

Also a tip for people who have 'too much time' like myself...
If you're wondering if you can win against that '240' target... simply 'mouseover' their picture, get their name, then do a facebook search for them, get their facebook ID, use the keep link with their facebook ID and do a test shot against them for 1 stamina in a normal duel :D

[Shonie]

battles are every 2 hours not every hour

so if youve logged in at 4:56pm and theres a battle going that means there is no battle at 5pm there never will be.

for you that means every battle starts at an even number hour
eg, 2pm 4pm 6pm 8pm 10pm 12am 2am etc etc

Awesome thanks, that's helpful :)

[katla]

Also a tip for people who have 'too much time' like myself...
If you're wondering if you can win against that '240' target... simply 'mouseover' their name, then do a facebook search for them, get their facebook ID, use the keep link with their facebook ID and do a test shot against them for 1 stamina in a normal duel :D

The quicker way is to right click the picture, copy the link and paste into a new browser, the middle number is the facebook id, you can then paste the facebook id to form a keep link.

[hetejorn]

Say I want to start a new battle at 5pm... so i log on to Castle Age at 4:56pm after being away all day... and my freaking body is being used... now I have to wait until 6pm to play?

All your battles are either at the even hrs or the odd hours...

[Shonie]

The quicker way is to right click the picture, copy the link and paste into a new browser, the middle number is the facebook id, you can then paste the facebook id to form a keep link.

Thank you kind Katla, that would be quicker :)

[Death of Rats]

Yup, the no limit is unfair. However, I can't move my mind beyond how completely ridiculous and worse, pointless, Guild Battle Format is in reality. Join a battle, watch the mages grab the highest player they can regardless of health, click, click, click, maybe refill, click, click, curse out the players for being so stupid, click, click, click, win based on a) you lucked out and were on the side that tried and had half a clue, b) you lucked out and were on the side that refilled the most. c) occasionally both. I want those rewards, but.... I can't see myself doing this even 5 times a day. Even in these first few battles, I was kept thinking "Why the f am I doing this?". Go back to PvP Arenas, at least those were somewhat fun even if there were some pretty glaring unfairness in those. But this.... this is just.... pfft..... you know what I am talkin' 'bout. For now, I am joining, hitting, leaving, coming back, hitting, seeing who won. I can't invest more than that, what is the point. If I see my team is trying, I stay. For now. I am debating if I should even keep that up. I don't begrudge the developers their money making machine, hell... I'd even support it ... if it was worth it in regards to fun.

(edit: yeah yeah I know, all been said before...and better, lol.)
What "no limit" is unfair? I couldn't find whose post you were responding to.

Being there for the start and end of the battle is really all you need to invest. Some people like to be more active and join the chat and stuff, but it doesn't change the outcome by much; although, perhaps in the last day or two it'll pay to be active the whole time.

[Elisabeth9]

Also a tip for people who have 'too much time' like myself...
If you're wondering if you can win against that '240' target... simply 'mouseover' their picture, get their name, then do a facebook search for them, get their facebook ID, use the keep link with their facebook ID and do a test shot against them for 1 stamina in a normal duel :D

Oh now, this is a part of Guild Battle I had forgetten! I was feeling like Arena was so lame...BUT, if people do test shots then we can chain them!!! See things are looking up :)

[tjjl]

Last I checked they ran starting on the hour, not the half hour.

I run in a GMT +9:30 timezone, hence for ME they start on the half hour.

[Elisabeth9]

What "no limit" is unfair? I couldn't find whose post you were responding to.

Being there for the start and end of the battle is really all you need to invest. Some people like to be more active and join the chat and stuff, but it doesn't change the outcome by much; although, perhaps in the last day or two it'll pay to be active the whole time.

You are right, I completely miswrote it. I was affirming the "5 battle limit is not fair/given others are using refills" comment.

Edit: For the record, I use fp's but it just doesn't seem right in Arena. I feel guilty if I reload.

[MarTooth]

Yup, some countries are Xhrs and 30 mins from GMT due to location (ie if you break the globe into 24 pieces some places end up split in half so they opted to do one 30 min timezone instead of having the two halves of the place in different zones)

[Death of Rats]

You are right, I completely miswrote it. I was affirming the "5 battle limit is not fair/given others are using refills" comment.

Edit: For the record, I use fp's but it just doesn't seem right in Arena. I feel guilty if I reload.
You could cheat your guilt by using FPs to earn refill potions from monsters... :D

[MarTooth]

You are right, I completely miswrote it. I was affirming the "5 battle limit is not fair/given others are using refills" comment.

Edit: For the record, I use fp's but it just doesn't seem right in Arena. I feel guilty if I reload.

Anyone who can afford 25 fp's per day just for refills probably puts a lot of hours in and as arena DOES NOT work on web3 they, in the main, can't do 5 battles, if due to work they miss out on 2 battle then refilling on them still aint equal to 5 battles.... It's as fair as any have been... Arena I refilling stam, Arena II buying all the top generals, Arena III unlimited refills... If anything it works better for non-refillers than refillers this time as if they're willing to do 25 FP's per day chances are they're so high in level they'll rarely get more than 160 points.

[thomasj8]

You could cheat your guilt by using FPs to earn refill potions from monsters... :D

Crafty self-justification logic :D

[bugfight]

sure enough, couldn't fight a 5th battle today.
if my counter starts at 4 left tomorrow, i'm callin saul!

[SDHawk]

How did You calculate that?:confused:

I am sure there must be something wrong with that math, unless we all have 10 tokens per battle.

There are threads with valid info on the subject. You'll see that what You said is incorrect.

Don't get lost in the maths. :) The point is: If someone chooses to refill in the games where they have 240 pointers, it equals 2400 extra arena points. Plus the 25% bonus if they win, which will happen in many cases/ Times 5 Battles per day. Times 20 days. Those who do not spend money to refill can not hope to counter that difference, there is no mechanism for them to do so. Therefore, those who refill shall find it easier to totally fill the entire 0-5% slot at the end, leaving no one in that slot who hasn't paid to play. At least the other way you could have some in the top tier who just got no sleep for a couple weeks, this is not the case here. It is highly more conceivable with this format that those who do not refill will not get the top reward.

[thomasj8]

Don't get lost in the maths. :) The point is: If someone chooses to refill in the games where they have 240 pointers, it equals 2400 extra arena points. Times 5 Battles per day. Times 20 days. Those who do not spend money to refill can not hope to counter that difference, there is no mechanism for them to do so. Therefore, those who refill shall find it easier to totally fill the entire 0-5% slot at the end, leaving no one in that slot who hasn't paid to play. At least the other way you could have some in the top tier who just got no sleep for a couple weeks, this is not the case here. It is highly more conceivable with this format that those who do not refill will not get the top reward.

Arena has a cost. It always has a cost, and it appears to be a revenue generation event. My question is how will the devs actually make enough money at a max of 25 FP per day to continue a format of limited refills, not whether the new limit is good enough :p

Also, don't forget that with A3 many said that only $$ could get the top rank, but many forum members got it any way. Why not see how it turns out before damning it? :)

[katla]

sure enough, couldn't fight a 5th battle today.
if my counter starts at 4 left tomorrow, i'm callin saul!

At least it was 4 and not 2

[MarTooth]

We want the site so some need to pay and for people to pay there needs to be and advantage so course it's easier to get top by paying but your again working on there being 5% of the site who A) Can and will buy and spend 25 FPS per day B) Can get 200-240 points and C) Can do 5 battles per day.

In the real world people with a lot of money have less time than that, are more sensible with their money and if willing to throw it away will be uber levels getting 160 points.

There will be a LOT who do get alpha without spending a dime and some who do refill every battle they take part on who won't be alpha. Eveyone said no-one would get alpha without spending last time and a LOT of us got it by doing 7 or 8 battles per day verses UNLIMITED refills.

The interesting thing with this one is the 5 battle cap and the refill cap leaves it far wider open than any prior arena by far no matter how you try and fiddle the math.

[RAUKO]

Don't get lost in the maths. :) The point is: If someone chooses to refill in the games where they have 240 pointers, it equals 2400 extra arena points. Plus the 25% bonus if they win, which will happen in many cases/ Times 5 Battles per day. Times 20 days. Those who do not spend money to refill can not hope to counter that difference, there is no mechanism for them to do so. Therefore, those who refill shall find it easier to totally fill the entire 0-5% slot at the end, leaving no one in that slot who hasn't paid to play. At least the other way you could have some in the top tier who just got no sleep for a couple weeks, this is not the case here. It is highly more conceivable with this format that those who do not refill will not get the top reward.

OK. If Your point is that paying gives player advantage over the player with same build and number of battles - I agree. think that is the way it should be, otherwise why would anyone pay?

Still don't think that refills give equivalent of 200% battles. :)

[SDHawk]

Inductive reasoning. IF 5% of the player base refills, there will be NO slots open for those who haven't. The act of watching a chunk of the CA player base refill on new monsters like crazy, for the pure joy of getting the first new offered shinies within minutes of release lead me to two different conclusions. 1) 5% of the player base uses fp to refill and 2) The CA Player base is not an optimum control group to use when attempting to reinforce this point:

In the real world people with a lot of money have less time than that, are more sensible with their money and if willing to throw it away will be uber levels getting 160 points.

and this point:

Eveyone said no-one would get alpha without spending last time and a LOT of us got it by doing 7 or 8 battles per day verses UNLIMITED refills.

is entirely moot since it has been established that you will NOT do 7-8 battles per day this time around.

You are stuck with 5, and no refills. Where is your counter balance? Fact is, WITH refills, I can easily guarantee that i make it to alpha. I am a very low level player who almost always has beatable 240 pointers every match. All I have to do to win is spend 5 favor points per match. However, given my theory that 5% of the playerbase will refill, it is as close to a sure thing as it can get, that I do NOT win without refilling. There is no real challenge here, therefore I will not participate.

[Strider the Rogue]

so... for this arena the thread is called "comment thread" huh? :)

[Dagothor]

as usual the prize for alpha vanguard is more of a token. if i were a paying player there is no way i would settle for less than alpha. since im not paying, ill be happy with my Power Glaive consolation prize and be on my way. :p

[Strider the Rogue]

as usual the prize for alpha vanguard is more of a token. if i were a paying player there is no way i would settle for less than alpha. since im not paying, ill be happy with my Power Glaive consolation prize and be on my way. :p

:D:D
Power Glaive is consolation prize huh? LoL

[Dagothor]

:D:D
Power Glaive is consolation prize huh? LoL

lol hubris is just around the corner, i know. wishful thinking is what it is.

[Aldo]

The smartest people on the web play CA

[gifty]

I have been online for the whole 2 days the Arena covers, with a break for sleeping, but out of 10 possible battles I was only able to get into 8. I see some forumites have 10 battles already.

It makes me feel I have been cheated and since I'm going for vanguard rank those lost 2 battles have hurt even more, as I predict I will be on the edge of Hero and Vanguard rank no matter what I do.

My comment thus is FAIL so far for Arena 4: it makes people frustrated and angry so far and the outlook for the rest of it seems like resignation to the grind and more frustration.

Bad job devs. You have had 3 arenas already to sort out any of the problems and you gave us an epic fail on this one.

[katla]

I have been online for the whole 2 days the Arena covers, with a break for sleeping, but out of 10 possible battles I was only able to get into 8. I see some forumites have 10 battles already.

It makes me feel I have been cheated and since I'm going for vanguard rank those lost 2 battles have hurt even more, as I predict I will be on the edge of Hero and Vanguard rank no matter what I do.

My comment thus is FAIL so far for Arena 4: it makes people frustrated and angry so far and the outlook for the rest of it seems like resignation to the grind and more frustration.

Bad job devs. You have had 3 arenas already to sort out any of the problems and you gave us an epic fail on this one.

Welcome to the club you aren't the only one in this, some of us have even been cheated of of 20 or more stamina as well.

[revdjweb]

Had a good time opposing White Widow just now. Bought my first refill just so I could Whirlwind her into the ground since she was active and it didn't look like we had anyone interested in taking her on mano a mano. I only got 160 BAP per token on the refill but it was worth it just for the satisfaction value.
Good times so far this Arena.

[Synelle]

I'm loving arena so far too. Its not perfect but it beats the hell out of arena 3!

[Death of Rats]

so... for this arena the thread is called "comment thread" huh? :)
Well, last time they were called "Complaint Thead," but I figured some people might actually have nice or neutral things to say about it. Such as:
[...] it beats the hell out of arena 3!

[tjjl]

it makes people frustrated and angry so far and the outlook for the rest of it seems like resignation to the grind and more frustration.

Bad job devs. You have had 3 arenas already to sort out any of the problems and you gave us an epic fail on this one.

so if you were a dev what would YOU do to make arena better?

[bugfight]

if only to prevent my only post in this thread being a whine: i am liking the new rules a lot, it seems they fixed most of the major issues with a3. i also really like the guild format, i have a lot of fun meeting folks in the chat log...

[Death of Rats]

Has anyone noted here yet that the "refill" button isn't present until you are down to two tokens? That was a major beef from Arena III that they fixed for this one. :)

[Reichart]

Forcing players to collect their reward in a set time window is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in a facebook game.

[Synelle]

How hard is it really to see out a battle for an hour and collect when its over? Its not like the battles are 5 hours long.

[Reichart]

How hard is it really to see out a battle for an hour and collect when its over? Its not like the battles are 5 hours long.

If you have the luxury of time required to plan your day around a facebook game, more power to you. Some of us have things to do. Honestly, if the battles WERE five hours long, and we had a similarly long window in which to collect, it would not be this much of a problem. The problem arises when you feel like leaving your house for more than an hour.

To use your logic, how hard would it be for devs to treat each battle as a separate entity (Arena1, Arena2, etc.), and then save the results and rewards collections from each battle? Probably not that hard, since that is the exact system they use for monster battles.

[Asulgard]

Only positive thing I see about this Arena is you don't accidentally press on refill button while trying to attack people from your iPhone :)

[ffSeeD]

my remaining battle count becomes 3 for the same battle... the best part is, it was 4 even bfor I entered d battle. it was just right after reset. sigh. same old same old...

[Templarian]

Whine: Too many brown-screens from clicking something the wrong way.

[crash1]

im in the first battle of the day after reset and my battle counter is at 3 :(
Time Remaining in arena: 19 DAYS
Battles Remaining Today: 3

[Lord Phyer]

Forcing players to collect their reward in a set time window is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in a facebook game.

This is the reason I just quit the Arena. Not because I don't like the battles, but because I play from work, and just can't collect fast enough.

So I've lost collections for three battles already.

Kind of lame. :(

Sucks, too, because I think I would have done well...

[Yuhake]

Even with <5 battles a day it's quite a grind for 20 days. Auto-collect would help a lot indeed.

[HINGO]

Is it just me, or did everything just slowwww right down?

[killmory]

~_~ if its not crashed CA, its making it lag out hard

[HINGO]

Brown screens. Loading for ages. 'Tried to attack, but tripped while running' messages constantly... something is up again...

[tjjl]

i did notice that CA is rather slow today...but thats about it for me :( brown screens only occur if I leave CA idle for a long time.

[tlukko]

It's weird that regardless of the browser my CA is slow and brown and swirling blue, but my friends runs smoothly.. So unfair.. :P And I was going to battle my 5 battles smoothly before north america wakes up..

[MarTooth]

For the record, woke up post reset still alpha... only was able to do 1 battle on the first 12hr day so did use 4 refills total so far to make that up a bit (basicaly to make day one 3 battles).

This means 8 battles out of the potential 10 is alpha for me. I will not refill today so will see where I land tomorrow. If 5% of the site membership are willing to buy rank I would not have got top rank in Arena III so do not believe more than 2% will use up max battle AND max tokens this time.

[Lady Lacewing]

Wish they'd either have the spinning balls of frustration OR the oh so hilarious "you tripped while trying to attack" - having both is just too frustrating. With every click taking at least 50-60 secs to load, between changing gates, tripping and attempting to hit, it took almost half the battle to use my first 10 tokens. What are they doing that has caused it to go a over t again?

[HINGO]

^^ exactly... Time ran out before i got to get my last 3 tokens out on the last one. Spent too long dicking around loading, and having to get back into CA, and 'tripping over' everywhere...

[Vixen]

So I wake up and am reading all over everyone's status that there is a cheat that allows being able to fight more than 5 battles a day

[HINGO]

So I wake up and am reading all over everyone's status that there is a cheat that allows being able to fight more than 5 battles a day

Theres always someone or something that enables a few to get that little bit more then everyone else when something out of the ordinary comes out isnt there

[cosmicfriend]

went to try the arena, and I'm the ONLY active person in the battle.... :D

[egoode]

Not liking the "you tripped while trying to attack" and the "you got confused and hit yourself", especially when half the time it takes an age for the attack to even happen.

[n3r086]

I hate seeing the toilet bowl swirls around for 5 mins then got tripped again and again, then breaking from poly, got confused and ends up stunned ...

[hetejorn]

I want an option to be able to kill mages in my own guild. Selfish pigs!!!

[Edit] I may have to apologize to pigs for that...

[tlukko]

Hmm.. since my last battle seemed to work fairly well I'm not at all surprised that the battles remaining calculator seems to have attended a battle that I haven't and is showing one too little..

I wonder if there's ever a day a ****ch doesn't come and ruin my battles and points.

[Asceron]

Why my win/lose stat still 0 even I have already reach alpha rank?
Is it arena bug?

[smokeytripod]

well im 2 days late to arena :D *why is it when i have problems arena comes along hmm?*

but yh...i wonder if it would be possible for me to make vanguard? :D

[Asulgard]

How hard can it be to set it right to get correct level balance in Arena? Seriously.. One side has like 12 people who are over level 800 while the other team has 3 of them..

If you add the levels of each 40 players on the sides, one outlevels the other team like twice.

This is the 4th arena and you have not learned from your mistakes.
You guys are C-L-U-E-L-E-S-S..
Seriously how hard can it be to arrange those teams in more fairness?

Time for angry faces
:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Learn to learn from your own mistakes.

[smokeytripod]

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

wait...wut am i angry about?

[davinity]

wait...wut am i angry about?

UMADBRO??????? :mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Asulgard]

You are angry because no one is pouring water on your green skin. Or maybe it's menopause. Only god knows.

[smokeytripod]

UMADBRO??????? :mad::mad:

i think im mad bro :confused::confused:

You are angry because no one is pouring water on your green skin. Or maybe it's menopause. Only god knows.

maybeh....there is a lack of rain recently ;o

[Matezma]

It's not a mistake....it's random?

[alnitak]

How hard can it be to set it right to get correct level balance in Arena? Seriously.. One side has like 12 people who are over level 800 while the other team has 3 of them..

If you add the levels of each 40 players on the sides, one outlevels the other team like twice.

This is the 4th arena and you have not learned from your mistakes.
You guys are C-L-U-E-L-E-S-S..
Seriously how hard can it be to arrange those teams in more fairness?

Time for angry faces
:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Learn to learn from your own mistakes.
Yeah, I'm in a battle now and we are just getting hammered. The other team has 8-9 people that are >1100 in level, most >1400, and with health of 3500-5500! I agree that it should be "random", but within certain limits. They certainly could put some heuristics in the equation to make the teams a little more evenly matched.

[Asulgard]

It can be still random but they could cap the added levels of those 40 people on each side so there won't be a major disadvantage or a free win for the other team.
What is competitive about it if one side gets the all high levels while other team has only a few.

[alnitak]

Better yet, I'm sure they have data on the levels, so create allocations and balance teams based on the spread of levels in the bracket, e.g., 5%>1200, 10%>1000, etc.

[Matezma]

Go to suggestions. They listened to feedback from last time around.

[cosmicfriend]

If the battle would be unbalanced in you favour you wouldn't be here whining....

[Raven Black]

If the battle would be unbalanced in you favour you wouldn't be here whining....

+100000000000000 to this comment :D :D :D

[Asulgard]

If the battle would be unbalanced in you favour you wouldn't be here whining....

If you were not born your parents wouldn't be whining.
What you said in a more mature sentence.

[Xanofar]

If you were not born your parents wouldn't be whining.
What you said in a more mature sentence.

I recommend not giving a darn about the Arena - it's what I'm doing.

[thomasj8]

I recommend not giving a darn about the Arena - it's what I'm doing.

The world with run out of darns if everyone acts like you

[Asulgard]

I recommend not giving a darn about the Arena - it's what I'm doing.

Well my original post was towards devs.. If you do something, do it right. If you do it half arsed it means you don't respect your customers.

[Draconus]

I've added 4 new Army Members as per Arena requirements for Reinforcements. Yet I'm finding no evidence of any damage bonus for the doing. No bonus is listed when I win a Duel, nor is any bonus damage being done according to checking the current health of the most recent target and comparing that amount to their health before making the attack.

As a Mage class, in healthy or weakened status, 50 bonus damage should have me doing from about 140 to over 200 damage to my target along with my passive ability as per my equipped general.

[MarTooth]

Known issue, don't know of anyone who's getting the bonus dmg

[Devil Of Apocalypse]

i must come here to rest a bit. im being chased cos i just took a bunch of polys giving me 240 in arena :evil grin: :p

[cosmicfriend]

If you were not born your parents wouldn't be whining.
What you said in a more mature sentence.

come on, whine about all those active people that you had on your team a bit, please....

and on the other hand, if you weren't born you wouldn't be whining here, and we'd have one whiner less...

[Asulgard]

come on, whine about all those active people that you had on your team a bit, please....

and on the other hand, if you weren't born you wouldn't be whining here, and we'd have one whiner less...

And if you were not born the devs would lose a brown nose here.

[cosmicfriend]

And if you were not born the devs would lose a brown nose here.

sense. you make none.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxarvzVAOD1qatg0no1_400.jpg

[Draconus]

Known issue, don't know of anyone who's getting the bonus dmg

Thank You. If nothing else I can know I'm in good company.

[Asulgard]

sense. you make none.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxarvzVAOD1qatg0no1_400.jpg

To you nope, coz your brain cells stopped working when you took a stance against the people who refused be silent and voice their opinions about a game.

Get your nose out of their arses or at least your head out of the sand is the wisest advice someone can hand to you.

[cosmicfriend]

To you nope, coz your brain cells stopped working when you took a stance against the people who refused be silent and voice their opinions about a game.

Get your nose out of their arses or at least your head out of the sand is the wisest advice someone can hand to you.

If you read other threads, you'd see that I'm not actively playing this arena...

your first argument, wasn't any good, and you know it. if the situation was to your benefit you'd keep your mouth shut. and you know it.

also, if people don't agree with you, iot doesn't mean that they don't think.

[Death of Rats]

This seems like a good time to remind folks about forum rules (http://castleageforums.com/cforum/showthread.php?t=55277):

I. Thou Shall Be Nice
While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, name calling, foul language or purposeless inflammatory posts. We also do not allow posts or links to sites that are sexual in nature or violate our community standards. The Moderator/Admin team shall be the sole arbitrator of what does and what does not violate community standards.

[Asulgard]

If you read other threads, you'd see that I'm not actively playing this arena...

your first argument, wasn't any good, and you know it. if the situation was to your benefit you'd keep your mouth shut. and you know it.

also, if people don't agree with you, iot doesn't mean that they don't think.

First of all people have been talking for 50 pages here about what they like and they don't like on this forum specific about Arena IV.

Your logic fails big time, next time you choose to brown nose, at least have a valid argument to back it up.

And secondly no matter if my team was out leveling the other one or I am being the out leveled one, this is all random.. so eventually many people will suffer from this.

Oh god it's like talking to a wall, I won't be trolled by someone who has no clue.

[hetejorn]

Oh god it's like talking to a wall, I won't be trolled by someone who has no clue.

Your answer betrayes you. You got TROLLED!!!

Anywayz, are all AV battles complete carnage now? Last 2 battles I was in were effectively nearly fought in the first 3 mins. First of those two I couldn't even enter till the first storm was over and than already 14 of the opponent had been stunned. Wonder If I am just "lucky" to be in these battles.

[Devil Of Apocalypse]

This seems like a good time to remind folks about forum rules (http://castleageforums.com/cforum/showthread.php?t=55277):

I. Thou Shall Be Nice
While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, name calling, foul language or purposeless inflammatory posts. We also do not allow posts or links to sites that are sexual in nature or violate our community standards. The Moderator/Admin team shall be the sole arbitrator of what does and what does not violate community standards.

non forum mod, normal side of you, who chains and kills in CA, knows you are enjoying reading all of this :D

[MarTooth]

To be honest I'd rather the code was simple and thus more stable than complex (as in additional coding trying to even out the levels of ID's either side)...

Then again it aint been that stable so heaven knows how bad it could have been if more complex...

End of the day the teams are down to luck and aint got a prob with that, makes it more interesting as far as I'm concerned but others opinions are of course valid :D

Taking the opposing view doesn't mean someone is on the devs side and just sayin it for brownie points, just means they don't agree, dismissing their opposing view as brown nosing is just as insulting as using the worst profanities to some, foul language can oft be less offensive than brown nosing comments and such like.

[Asulgard]

Taking the opposing view doesn't mean someone is on the devs side and just sayin it for brownie points, just means they don't agree, dismissing their opposing view as brown nosing is just as insulting as using the worst profanities to some, foul language can oft be less offensive than brown nosing comments and such like.

Taking the opposing view was not the issue, calling someone whiner for speaking his opinion about the matching system is pure provocation tho.

So yeah if he just told his opinion instead of that, the result would be different now.

[Defyeler]

I have been online for the whole 2 days the Arena covers, with a break for sleeping, but out of 10 possible battles I was only able to get into 8. I see some forumites have 10 battles already.

It makes me feel I have been cheated and since I'm going for vanguard rank those lost 2 battles have hurt even more, as I predict I will be on the edge of Hero and Vanguard rank no matter what I do.

My comment thus is FAIL so far for Arena 4: it makes people frustrated and angry so far and the outlook for the rest of it seems like resignation to the grind and more frustration.

Bad job devs. You have had 3 arenas already to sort out any of the problems and you gave us an epic fail on this one.

Ive only been in 7 battles total and I'm in AV for some reason.

Btw for those that see the reinforcements as not working?

Killer Pooh inflicts +140 Damage upon Victory.
Killer Pooh inflicts an additional +50 Damage upon Victory from Arena Reinforcements
Your equipped class abilities give you a boost of +4 Attack and +4 Defense!
Your opponents equipped class abilities give them a boost of +4 Attack and +4 Defense!

[MarTooth]

Taking the opposing view was not the issue, calling someone whiner for speaking his opinion about the matching system is pure provocation tho.

So yeah if he just told his opinion instead of that, the result would be different now.

Fair enuff, didn't spot that one :D

[katla]

It seems like the cuttoffs for each rank are much closer together this year than they have been before.

[hetejorn]

Ive only been in 7 battles total and I'm in AV for some reason.

Btw for those that see the reinforcements as not working?

Killer Pooh inflicts +140 Damage upon Victory.
Killer Pooh inflicts an additional +50 Damage upon Victory from Arena Reinforcements
Your equipped class abilities give you a boost of +4 Attack and +4 Defense!
Your opponents equipped class abilities give them a boost of +4 Attack and +4 Defense!

Still doesn't show extra damage for me. But that's prolly because I am one of the fortunate who gets to fight all of his 5 battles for 2 consecutive days :D

[MarTooth]

It seems like the cuttoffs for each rank are much closer together this year than they have been before.

To be expected with a 1 refill per battle and 5 battle cap, don't get some doing 10 or more refills in a battle and some doing 10 battles a day :D

[Devil Of Apocalypse]

Ive only been in 7 battles total and I'm in AV for some reason.

Btw for those that see the reinforcements as not working?

Killer Pooh inflicts +140 Damage upon Victory.
Killer Pooh inflicts an additional +50 Damage upon Victory from Arena Reinforcements
Your equipped class abilities give you a boost of +4 Attack and +4 Defense!
Your opponents equipped class abilities give them a boost of +4 Attack and +4 Defense!

i was under the impression you play cleric. or is it someone else i saw in battle? :confused:

[Yuhake]

When the Arena IV started, I was somewhat excited about it but now I suddenly feel bit bored and it's only the second day. :p Can't participate in that many battles during the week because of work but now that it's weekend, I can't seem to be arsed to put that much effort in either.

Not the devs' fault per se, since this season is better done than the last one. I think I just might be growing out of the game a bit. :eek:

Still, my reptilian brain keeps nagging me to keep at it to collect the shinies. Interesting to observe which part of my brain wins.

[Death of Rats]

non forum mod, normal side of you, who chains and kills in CA, knows you are enjoying reading all of this :D
Of course, but before I come to the forum, I pull my hair back in a bun and put on my most strict-looking school-marm dress.

[MarTooth]

Now you got me tryin to remember the name of Deaths Grand-daughter

[Yuhake]

Now you got me tryin to remember the name of Deaths Grand-daughter

Susan Sto Helit? One of my friend's CA name. :p

[Devil Of Apocalypse]

Of course, but before I come to the forum, I pull my hair back in a bun and put on my most strict-looking school-marm dress.

Prof. McGonagall look? :D

[MarTooth]

Susan Sto Helit? One of my friend's CA name. :p

Thank you, time to dig out all my Pratchett's again, getting rusty :D

[Dezmodian]

.........Okay, this "arena" style kinda sucks ><

[MarTooth]

prefer it to War style, lol

[Draconus]

While using a GW format is pretty messed up for an Arena. There's little hope of using any form of strategy, you don't know where you will be in the gates and you have no way of knowing who will be there with you. Communication is limited to the battle chat log. As such about all you can do is fire off your tokens and hope more people show up for your so called team then for your opponents.

The recent changes to the Arena such as limiting refills and battles per day shift the advantage to lower level players (at or below level 300) having PvP builds or builds with above average PvP strength. Such players are able to reach up levels for higher AP's per token used while requiring higher levels to reach down to remove them as an active threat (and accepting lower AP's for the doing).

[katla]

I liked the first styles of arena much better than this guild battle format, I didn't feel like i had to live at my computer for the other two.

[RiverRock]

Draconus: The recent changes to the Arena such as limiting refills and battles per day shift the advantage to lower level players (at or below level 300) having PvP builds or builds with above average PvP strength.

Not just low levels. It rewards players that can beat their own level or higher, as it should be. There are usually some high levels on both teams, at least in hero and up.

[BillSF49]

I prefer the first arena where it was more PvP individual based. I hate being at the mercy if my guild shows up. Just finished a battle where 6 of 40 were present.

[Str8up-FUBAR]

I agree on the not knowing if you will have any other guild members to help ... losing 25 % based off of luck if you have any others that will join is just stupid... They really should have the time between battles a colllection and sign-up time then build the guilds with all actives that signed in during the break. There will still always be a luck factor but at least it wont be like my last defeat that found me one of 3 actives against a guild that had 22 actives.

[tjjl]

The recent changes to the Arena such as limiting refills and battles per day shift the advantage to lower level players (at or below level 300) having PvP builds or builds with above average PvP strength.

But it also forces high levels to require refills to compete, as they are normally limited to 160/200 points per token, whilst lower levels can usually find multiple 240 targets in a game.

[Draconus]

But it also forces high levels to require refills to compete, as they are normally limited to 160/200 points per token, whilst lower levels can usually find multiple 240 targets in a game.

I haven't really felt required to refill as of yet but I'll not try and claim being shy of doing so lol. And of course the higher the level is the more difficult it is to even get decent AP's from any 1 battle refilling or not.

[alabaster]

That Rogue evade ability just sucks. It certainly zeros out my "higher than average PvP strength"...
I want to whine about the fact that this seems to me to be an Arena for active & successful Guild's members who have bought expensive abilities, not about personal strength. ! There is no way for me to win with a measely Heal ability, regardless of my stats, against those special abilities.
I most certainly will go looking for a Guild that actually plays so I can get more Guild coins than I have been (usually being the only fighting member) when the Guild Battles start again...

[Elisabeth9]

I am level 730 and I am having no problem finding 240 targets in every game so far. The problem is they often have high health, so I could hit them....but that would make me kind of a douche, huh. Guess at this point I am still trying to play as a "team" member, that said.... I do realize Guild Battle format in Arena has little to do w/ true "teams", so at times it is sooo tempting to go for the 240 hit.

[Strider the Rogue]

for me, I measure my team first... if in the first 30 minutes they seem to know what they are doing, I'll be a team player, if they don't, then I'll go for points.

[alnitak]

But it also forces high levels to require refills to compete, as they are normally limited to 160/200 points per token, whilst lower levels can usually find multiple 240 targets in a game.

You know, everyone says that, but in my experience, it's not true at the highest Arena ranks. As an AV, or even A in the last Arena, the number of targets reduced for me as my rank improved. In AV ranks, it appears that everyone either has a great BSI or is very high level...or both! I have trouble finding 1-2 people I can beat...a high BSI not withstanding...across all towers!

Now, on the first day, or when I was ranking up in the last Arena, I found a lot of 240 targets. But in this Arena and at the AV tier, and as a sub-300 level, the competition is much tougher. Players lower ranked than me are beating me, much less my reaching up. My BSI is good, but can't overcome a hundred or more levels against such competitive builds. So, I don't think it's necessarily easy to find 240 targets (though I'm sure there are a number of forumites that have no trouble finding targets -- their build is that strong).

[Elisabeth9]

for me, I measure my team first... if in the first 30 minutes they seem to know what they are doing, I'll be a team player, if they don't, then I'll go for points.

Good point. Might consider that myself as the days pass. For now, I am really lucking out w/ teams and we have won 9 out of 13. Last Arena.... pfft... couldn't pull a good team to save my life, lol.

[gifty]

Monster hunter builds are screwed in this format.

PvP builds win most of their battles and get max points while I lose frequently and get min points for losing and for only winning against lower level opponents.

Well, i guess my option is to monster hunt for BIS gloves rather than go for vanguard rank in this arena.

[FunForEvery1]

Monster hunter builds are screwed in this format.

PvP builds win most of their battles and get max points while I lose frequently and get min points for losing and for only winning against lower level opponents.

Well, i guess my option is to monster hunt for BIS gloves rather than go for vanguard rank in this arena.

pvp players are screwed on monsters. Can't get the good items without refilling endlessly. I geuess I do arena :D

Sorry, just had to do this ;)

Disclaimer: This post is not entirely free of sarcasm nor irony :p

[thanatoscharun]

Monster hunter builds are screwed in this format.

PvP builds win most of their battles and get max points while I lose frequently and get min points for losing and for only winning against lower level opponents.

Well, i guess my option is to monster hunt for BIS gloves rather than go for vanguard rank in this arena.

And this surprises you because......?

[gifty]

And this surprises you because......? er tab

and did i say i was surprised? i just said the format screws monster hunters. well, thinking about it now, quitting while having invested 260 stamina and 3 days of effort nets me a win, because for the same 2100 stamina/21 days of effort i can get agamemnon to drop BIS off-hand item which is better than the gloves. in the meantime i can also try to get red plains to drop ingredient for soulcrusher gloves. the net improvent to my equipment is better if i quit the arena.

but perhaps pvp frustration at NOT being able to do this is fair compensation for my frustration at not being able to do the arena.

AND arena is 1 per 6 months while new monsters are about 3-5 in the same period.

[Caledon]

Monster hunter builds are screwed in this format.

PvP builds win most of their battles and get max points while I lose frequently and get min points for losing and for only winning against lower level opponents.

Well, i guess my option is to monster hunt for BIS gloves rather than go for vanguard rank in this arena.

MHs aren't necessarily screwed. I'm currently placed in the top battle since yesterday and I keep meeting the same lvl 1k+. If they can be up there, why can't you?

Also, as long as you fight together as a team to win instead of fighting individually by going for points, then you can also rank up to the top.

Here's the math:
(21 tokens x 160 BAP) + 25% vs (21 tokens x 240 BAP) - 25%
That's 4200 points vs 3780 points.

[gifty]

MHs aren't necessarily screwed. I'm currently placed in the top battle since yesterday and I keep meeting the same lvl 1k+. If they can be up there, why can't you?

Also, as long as you fight together as a team to win instead of fighting individually by going for points, then you can also rank up to the top.

Here's the math:
(21 tokens x 160 BAP) + 25% vs (21 tokens x 240 BAP) - 25%
That's 4200 points vs 3780 points.

and u have how much control over your teammates? i already see a lot of polyspam and my team record is 3wins10losses. my avg points per battle is 3,000 ...

vanguard is 50600 points over 15 battles so you need 3400 avg to maintain rank. i am already behind and will never catch up unless i refill. NOT!

[tjjl]

the format is MEANT to screw monster hunters...you shouldn't be surprised when the strongest player actually wins. In the same way we can say monsters screw PvPers.