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khanvalescent
08-31-2010, 07:14 AM
Table of Contents
Introduction, Theory, and Strategy (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1519662&postcount=2)
Effective Monster Farming (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1519663&postcount=3)
Optimal Items for Each Slot (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1519665&postcount=4)
PVP (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1519667&postcount=5)
Generals (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1519668&postcount=6)
FAQ (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1519670&postcount=7)
Best in Slot (http://castleageforums.com/cforum/showpost.php?p=1519672&postcount=8)

A note to powerlevelers, monster hunters, and CC players:
This guide is not really intended for you guys, because frankly, you don't need it. PVPers and Hybrids can't easily do more than 1 Alpha Monster per week. It is much more important for us to pursue gear efficiently and intelligently. If you can farm legendaries easily, then obviously you should do so. We cannot, and that is why I do not recommend farming them. Most of the damage levels I recommend, however, do include a small % legendary drop. This is why I always recommend 3 epic damage, because usually it will include a very small chance for a legendary.

I don't have any problem with powerlevelers, monster hunters, or CC users (unless the latter pretend that they don't use their CC). I'll try to edit out any portions of the guide that may be construed (accurately or not) as snide or derisive of you folks. Since this guide only applies to a segment of the population, I don't think it should be stickied. As such, please save your rancor and overblown critique for modern art museums and Jerry Bruckheimer films.

khanvalescent
08-31-2010, 07:14 AM
Theory & Preparation
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Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. - Sun Tzu

War is a vibrant triptych, made up of three panels: Items, PVP, Generals. Think of it generally as: ttems are worth approximately 45%, PVP 30%, and Generals 25%. (WARNING: THIS IS NOT A HARD FORMULA, JUST A BASIC WAY TO CONCEPTUALIZE THE VALUES.) The first two are under your complete control.

Items
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This guide encourages optimal pursuit of loot. This means getting a wide variety of possible items for every point of stamina spent.

Look at the parameters of war. Seven slots with a maximum of 3 of any item. At a minimum, there must be three distinct items that fill in any slot. Think of every item slot as a pyramid split into three tiers. The lowest tier is your base, followed by the middle tier, with your best tier being the top.

Like the pyramids, construct your items from the bottom up. Unlike the pyramids, do not crack whips at your minions and resort to human sacrifice as a motivational tool. Starting from the bottom up gives you power now without sacrificing longevity later. The tip of the pyramid is the most gilded, but the base is where all the support is.

Do not aim for huge legendaries; aim to mend the biggest ***** in your collective cache of items. Gain loot with reliable drop rates first. Spending 3 months farming for a single Plate of the Ages isn’t effective when 3 Deathrune hellplates, 3 Archangel’s battlegear, and 3 hellforge plates could be acquired in half the time. Remember, arena is about aggregate power – you want to be solid in as many areas as possible. Avoid glamorous compartmentalization (read: legendaries) and pursue a wide breadth of items.

The deathshield, archangel’s battlegear, and Armageddon pendant are all fantastic items with very forgiving drop rates. Most legendaries are only worth the stamina investment if they are your only remaining upgrades. A Plate of the Ages will take most people 180,000 activity to obtain, assuming you are able to do 18,000 activity per attempt. (Thanks DaveO for correcting my error). With that same amount of stamina, you could easily get the following: 3x of all relevant Azriel drops, 3 frost bolts, 3 genesis swords, 3 deathrune hellplates, and possibly a helm of dragon power.

The monster section lists the monsters in order they provide War items as well as farming strategy for each monster.

The items section details the final goals you should have for every slot as well as a farming strategy for each specific slot.


PVP
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You should have a solid PVP base. The +5 slot is worth 30% of victory. This gives you an incredible amount of flexibility. After winning the +5, you only need to win 4/12 remaining points. This allows for victory over people with better gear, or better generals, and often both.

Generals
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Only your equipped general’s special ability is sued. Adrianna, by a very large margin, is the best general to have equipped. Everybody should own Adrianna and Kataan. After that, just place your best generals in your best slots.


Item Weight
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All men may be created equal, but all slots are not.

Total stat points of optimal items:
Weapons: (44*3) + (42.5 *3) + (41*1) = 300.5 (17.0%)
Offhand: (71*1)+(51*3)+(40.8*3) = 346.4 (19.6%)
Helmet: (51*3)+(41.8*3)+(36.4*1) = 314.8 (17.8%)
Armor: (36.9*3)+(35.8*3)+(33.4*1) = 251.5 (14.3%)
Amulet: (35.6*3)+(34*3)+(29.5*1) = 238.3 (13.5%)
Gloves: (18.2*3)+(16.3*3)+(15.8*1)=119.3 (6.7%)
Magic: (29.5*3)+(27.2*3)+(23.8*1) = 193.9 (10.9%)

Undervalued: Offhand, Helmet.
Even: Amulet.
Overvalued: Weapon, Armor.
Quagmire: Glove, Magic.

Use your opponents’ ignorance to your advantage. Most people do not properly examine the power of offhand and helmets. Weapons and armor are given a lot of emphasis, and are consequential, but they are still overemphasized. Amulets are generally an afterthought, but are surprisingly robust. Gloves and Magic are energy and stamina quagmires, requiring many resources for limited returns.


Trading Spaces: +3 or +5
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Hence that general is skilful in attack whose opponent does not know what to defend; and he is skilful in defense whose opponent does not know what to attack. - Sun Tzu

This is purely dependent upon your pvp stats. If you beat most people offensively, and repel most people defensively, leave yourself in the +5.

Remember to be flexible. Outliers – incredibly strong or incredibly weak pvpers – will be the most common reason to move yourself.

I do not recommend going to War with anybody you cannot defeat in normal PVP. The +5 differential (its really +10) is too much of a hurdle to bother with most of the time. If you do want to annoy a High King with fewer than 500 loses, expect a slightly busier battlefeed.

For Stronger PVP opponents:
1. Put yourself in one of the +3 slots.
2. Drop every general down one slot. Your strongest general should be in the other +3, then the next strongest in the +2s, and so on.
3. Put your worst general in the +5 slot. It is sacrificial and you don’t want to waste any resources on it.

For Weaker PVP opponents:
1. The savvier ones will place themselves in the +3 slot. I would only expect this if they have a high war rank and low pvp rank & poor win/loss ratio.
2. If you have very strong generals and very strong gear, proceed as normal. I’ve roflstomped many of these cute players 14/3 or 17/0.
3. If you are not so confident, move along. A defeat costs you the war points lost as well as the potential war points you didn’t earn. (Double Whammy).
4. If you insist, pick a +3 to throw yourself into.
5. Put your strongest general in the +5. You want to win it. They may or may not put their strongest general in the +5, but either way you want to assure yourself victory.
6. Put your next strongest general in the other +3, and trickle them down after that as normal.
7. If you lose, look to see where he placed himself. Is it in the other +3? You may want to re-adjust. You also have the possibility of losing again. This is why I don’t recommend getting into these trickery type fights. Choose targets you can easily curbstomp and afterward nonchalantly knock the dust off your pauldrons.

Evaluate, Probe, and Cross Your Fingers.
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By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail. - Benjamin Franklin

When you've found a potential target:
1. Invade at least once. If your armies are vastly different, duel. If you lose, move on. If you win, continue.
2. Look at their generals.
3. Look at their weapons, items, and magic.
4. Evaluate. Best items are on the top of every list. Look specifically for legendaries, especially Transcendence and Plate of the Ages. The former is rare, he latter more common. Look for any important item (purgatory, deathshield, Helm of Dragon Power) that is either missing or at less than 3x.

If everything is similar, go ahead and war duel. PVP advantage should guaranty a win.

If you have better generals but slightly worse equipment, war duel.

If everything is inferior, move on - you're asking for a 5/12 loss.

khanvalescent
08-31-2010, 07:15 AM
Monster Loot Priority

Monsters are listed in the order you should kill them, providing you have no gear. Use your own logical reasoning and determine where you are on the list - the one below is purely based on the unlikely situation of a player having absolutely no gear.

Mandatory items are those you have to get eventually. Your goal should be to get as many, but not all, mandatory items as possible before moving down to the next monster. You're going to have to use your discretion on whether to keep slogging away on an item or moving on. As a rule, after killing an alpha 4-5 times, it probably makes sense to move on to the next one.

Temporary Crutch items are filler items that will be useful as you are building up your gear. These should not be pursued, they are just a bonus and are generally fairly easy to acquire due to most being rares.

Recommended damage is based on Tim Nyota's great spreadsheets. Damages are based on farming 3x of the best items for war; not for legendary chances and not for overall success of the battle. I'm not in the business of philanthropy, and neither should you. Even so, none of the recommended damages should be considered "tagging". Links to each monster's community-contributed (HTLM) spreadsheets are included if you wish to make your own analysis.

For the most part, I recommend the minimum damage to reliably get 3 epics from Alphas, and 1 epic from vanilla monsters.

Corvintheus
Mandatory
3x Amulet of Courage [25/18 Amulet]
3x Glorious Plate [20/31 Armor]
3x Honors Defender [25/30 Off-hand]
3x Righteous Helm [28/30 Helm]
3x Ring of Honor [18/25 Amulet]

6,000,000
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Aro5WgWKHR6JdDhPcnBydUoxSFZnR3ZERmNsQTVQY 3c&hl=en&gid=186

Vincent
Mandatory
3x Exsanguinator [32/22 weapon]
3x Swarm of Darkness [20/16 magic]
1x Bloodlord Plate [26/14 armor]

Temporary Crutch
Zanarean Bow [14/18 weapon]
Mark of the Empire [12/12 amulet]

20,000 activity (only 90-140 stamina! (be a rogue))
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Aro5WgWKHR6JdDhPcnBydUoxSFZnR3ZERmNsQTVQY 3c&hl=en&gid=171

Aurora
Mandatory
3x Plate of the Wild [23/30 armor]
3x Nature's Sunder[18/18 magic]
3x Lifedrop Pendant [20/25 amulet]
1x Hand of Life [10/10 glove]
1x Heart of the Woods [30/44 weapon]

22M (Always 2, sometimes 3 epics)
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&key=0Aro5WgWKHR6JdDhPcnBydUoxSFZnR3ZERmNsQTVQY3c&hl=en&gid=239

Gehenna
Mandatory
1x Hephaestus Sword [28/22 weapon]
1x Lava Plate [15/24 armor]
3x Gauntlet of Fire [13/9 glove]

Temporary Crutch
Tooth of Gehenna [18/23 amulet]
Bonecrusher [18/21 weapon]
Zanarean Bow [14/18 weapon]
Galvanized Helm [11/13 helm]
Mark of the Empire [12/12 amulet]

8,000,000 activity.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Aro5WgWKHR6JdDhPcnBydUoxSFZnR3ZERmNsQTVQY 3c&hl=en&gid=150

Bahamut
Mandatory
1x Volcanic Helm [32/14 helm]
1x Skullfire [16/16 magic]
3x Hellforge Gauntlet [14/6 glove]

Temporary Crutch
Hellforge Plate [25/12 armor]
Burning Blade [16/13 weapon]
Lavareign Axe [12/17 weapon]
Inferno Shield [15/10 off-hand]
Blazerune Necklace [9/8 amulet]
Blazerune Ring [7/10 amulet]

5,500,000 activity.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Aro5WgWKHR6JdDhPcnBydUoxSFZnR3ZERmNsQTVQY 3c&hl=en&gid=12

War of the Red Plains
Mandatory
1x Virtue of Justice [25/25 weapon]
1x Virtue of Fortitude [14/32 helm]
3x Virtue of Temperance [6/14 glove]

Temporary Crutch
Zanarean Dagger [20/19 weapon]
Holy Smite [12/12 magic]
Zanarean Bow [14/18 weapon]
Elemental Garb [18/14 armor]

7,500 Soldiers killed.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Aro5WgWKHR6JdDhPcnBydUoxSFZnR3ZERmNsQTVQY 3c&hl=en&gid=0

Skaar
Mandatory
3x Deathrune Hellplate [18/27 armor]

Temporary Crutch
Deathshield [24/24 off-hand]

500,000
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Aro5WgWKHR6JdDhPcnBydUoxSFZnR3ZERmNsQTVQY 3c&hl=en&gid=10

Valhalla
Mandatory
3x Windchaser Helm [29/29 helm]
3x Storm Crusher [35/20 weapon]

7,500,000
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Aro5WgWKHR6JdDhPcnBydUoxSFZnR3ZERmNsQTVQY 3c&hl=en&gid=205

Azriel
Mandatory
3x Purgatory [30/30 off-hand]

Temporary Crutch
Archangel’s Battlegear [26/14 armor]
Blood Flask [20/20 amulet]
Consecration [14/14 magic]
Zealot Robes [25/12 armor]
Deliverance [16/16 weapon]
Holy Aura [10/10 magic]
Avenging Mace [16/13 weapon]
Celestial Helm [11/11 helm]

7,000,000 activity.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Aro5WgWKHR6JdDhPcnBydUoxSFZnR3ZERmNsQTVQY 3c&hl=en&gid=13

Alpha Mephistopheles
Mandatory
3x Armageddon Pendant [23/18 amulet]

Temporary Crutch
Infernal Sword [16/16 weapon]

6,000,000.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Aro5WgWKHR6JdDhPcnBydUoxSFZnR3ZERmNsQTVQY 3c&hl=en&gid=62

Jahanna
Mandatory
3x Staff of Jehenna [26/30]
3x Force of Nature [35/50]

9M?
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&key=0Aro5WgWKHR6JdDhPcnBydUoxSFZnR3ZERmNsQTVQY3c&hl=en&gid=214

Ragnaraak ☃☃
Mandatory
3x Frost Bolt [12/25]

Temporary Crutch
Thawing Star [18/17 amulet]

500,000.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Aro5WgWKHR6JdDhPcnBydUoxSFZnR3ZERm

khanvalescent
08-31-2010, 07:16 AM
Color codes:
Corvintheus
Vincent
Gehenna
Bahuamut
Azriel
War of the Red Plains
Skaar
Valhalla
Alpha Mephistopheles
Aurora
Jahanna
Ragnarok

Farm order: Based on the assumption that you have none of the items. Farm both offensive and defensive sets - you won’t have to go too far out of your way to do so. You should still start off by farming the monsters in the order recommended. This guide is for addressing specific weaknesses. Adjust according to your unique situation.

Weapons
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Before all else, be armed. - Niccolo Machiavelli

Offense
1x Heart of the Woods [60.8]
3x Stormcrusher [49]
3x Exsanguinator [47.4]

Defense
1x Heart of the Woods [65]
3x Staff of Jahanna [48.2]
3x Stormcrusher [44.5]

Farm order:
1. Exsanguinator 100 stamina/Vincent.
2. Heart of the Woods She drops other good things as well.
2. Staff of Jahanna.
3. Stormcrusher. Valhalla sucks.

Offhand
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Your spirit is the true shield. - Morihei Ueshiba

Offense
1x Sword of Redemption [71]
3x Purgatory [51]
3x Honor's Defender [46]

Defense
1x Sword of Redemption [71]
3x Purgatory [51]
3x Honor's Defender [47.5]

Farm Order:
1. Purgatory. Drops from our favorite angelic loot piata. ‘Nuff said.
2. Honor's Defender. Corvi is stingy like Alpha Meph, but with better loot. Prepare to spend a lot of stamina.
3. Concurrent: Sword of Redemption. Stamina is useful, the sword of redemption is very useful. Don’t be a wacko and keep your stamina under 120. Even if you already have all the stamina you want, I’d recommend praying. Farming 10 demi points a day is going to take you a year and a half to get the Sword of Redemption.

(NOTE: Deathshield actually has the highest drop rate of any of skaar epics. Getting 3 of these should be much easier than getting 3 Honor's Defenders.)

Helmets
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A crown is merely a hat that lets the rain in. - Frederick The Great

Offense
3x Helm of Dragon Power [51]
3x Windchaser Helm [49.3]
1x Righteous Helm [49]

Defense
3x Helm of Dragon Power [51]
3x Righteous Helm [49.6]
1x Windchaser Helm [49.3]

Farming Order:
1. Righteous Helm
2. Helm of Dragon Power. This one is a pain in the ass, but is still incredibly strong. The 25 dragon kill achievement sweetens the deal.
3. Windchaser Helm. Valhalla sucks.

HDOP Note:
Don’t spend too much effort on the HODP, it intentionally takes a while to get, back when the developers allowed anybody to get a good item through hard work – not unlimited stamina pools.

Alchemy items, in order of difficulty (easiest first).
Dragon Talon – Tag raids.
Jewel of Fire – Between red dragons and cronusii, you should get a fair amount of these.
Dragon Scale – Stick to blue dragons. 25 BODL achievement should get you 1 as well.
Wall of Fire – Tag raids. See monster discussion for more.

Armor
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There is no armor against fate. - James Shirley

Offense
3x Plate of the Wild [44.0]
3x Glorious Plate [41.7]
1x Deathrune Hellplate [36.9]

Defense
3x Plate of the Wild [46.1]
3x Glorious Plate [45]
1x Deathrune Hellplate [39.6]

Farm order:
1. Deathrune Hellplate. Doesn't drop that easily, but you could gain 12 skaar epics for the same amount of stamina as 2 Corvinthius epics.
2. Glorious Plate
3. Plate of the Wild. You'll easily obtain 3 on your way to 18 runes.

*Plate of the Ages warning*
Don’t get too engorged over the 51.5/59 effective attack/defense. It requires stamina. A lot of stamina.

Amulets
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Be faithful in small things because it is in them that your strength lies. - Mother Teresa

Offense
1x Force of Nature [70]
1x Moonfall Amulet [68]
3x Amulet of Courage [37.6]
2x Lifedrop Pendant [37.5]

Defense
1x Force of Nature [74.5]
1x Moonfall Amulet [68]
3x Lifedrop Pendant [39]
2x Ring of Honor [37.6]


Farm Order:
0. Moonfall Amulet - Health is marginally useful now. Farm serpents and PVP and you'll get there in no time if you don't want to pray.
2. Amulet of Courage + Ring of Honor. Ring of honor is a rare.
3.Lifedrop Pendant Rare, Aurora drops a lot of other neat stuff too.
4.Force of Nature. By the time you can get to 3 staves of Jahannas, you should also be fairly close to 18 Life Forces. I only recommend killing Jahannas until you have 3 of the weapons and 1 Force of Nature (unless you are close to making a second one).

Is transcendence worth farming? Short answer - no. Long answer – nope.
What about moonfall amulet? Yes - be disciplined in getting 10 demis/day. Farming serpents will get you even more demis per day.

Gloves
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Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. - Mike Tyson

Offense
3x Gauntlet of Fire [19.3]
3x Hellforge Gauntlets [18.2]
1x Hand of Life [17]

Defense
3x Virtue of Temperance [18.2]
3x Gauntlet of Fire [18.1]
1x Hand of Life [17]

Farm Order:
1. Gauntlet of Fire.
2. Hellforge Gauntlets. Mainly just due to the collective yumminess of Bahumat.
3. Virtue of Temperance. These drop frequently. Trust me. You will have many more than you want.
4. Hand of Life Rare.

DO NOT FARM FOR THE DEATH TOUCH GAUNTLET.
It is worth 2-4 pts more than the other items, or 0.1% of your collective item power.

Magic
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We launch our souls from the cannons of art and discipline, and on any one night, hovering over the chimney tops of Europe, halfway to the stars, there are armies of brightly spinning spirits that have risen like fireworks, tethered to the souls of those men and women who, by reflection, mortification, and devotion, effortlessly outdazzle kings. - A Soldier of the Great War

Offense
3x Swarm of Darknesss [31.2]
3x Nature's Sunder[30.6]
1x Frost Bolt [29.5]

Defense
3x Frost Bolt [33.4]
3x Nature's Sunder [30.6]
1x Swarm of Darknesss [30.0]

Farm order:
1. Swarm of Darknesss Cheap stamina.
2. Frost Bolt. Fairly poor drop rate, but low stamina requirements and nice demi pts.
3 Nature's Sunder. Can be done concurrently with the other two, rare drop makes it easier to get.

khanvalescent
08-31-2010, 07:16 AM
PVP

This will be brief, there are many more robust pvp guides out there written by people with more experience.

PVP is worth 5 points in War, but since War is a zero-sum game, it is really worth 10 points (opponent wins 5, you don’t earn 5). I recommend that you don’t suck at PVP. For the purposes of War, “not sucking” means keeping your BSI at a minimum of 5. As mentioned previously, high energy and stamina help with item acquisition, but the 3x limit places a very low ceiling on the benefits of being a monster hunter. With a good BSI, higher attack and defense still allows more damage per stamina point. You won't be able to do 40M damage, but we aren't hopelessly ineffective. As long as you can do 7-8M activity (yes, you may have to use energy) in a typical fight, you have more than enough energy and stamina.

Defense or Attack?

Short answer:
Get your BSI high enough to where it doesn't matter. Most players are not built for pvp, a glass canon 5.0 BSI will successfully attack 95% of all players. A 6.0 BSI will successfully defend AND attack 95% of all players.

Long answer:
Whatever you choose, you should think about your normal PVP play style. I’ve spent hours building up an impenetrable base and an overwhelming blitzkrieg force of ground, aerial, and cavalry troops to defeat 3 Kobolds and a pack of grumpy geese in a real-time strategy game. So I’m defensive. Very defensive. I also have a shred of humanity and sometimes feel guilty about attacking people – but never feel guilty about successfully defending.

If you go offensive, you will be able to retaliate (as a semi-wall if someone defeats me offensively, there are very few scenarios where I can successfully retaliate). You will also be able to successfully choose a lot more targets with the same BSI. Remember, however, that War does not have any (legal/implemented) method of retaliating/bookmarking. This deadens the benefits of defense since you can’t be bookmarked (legally). It also removes the retributive joy of retaliation.

If you don’t know, just stay balanced at 1:1. Long term, a lot (possibly most?) of people end up close to 1:1 anyway.

So how do I get good?

PVP is very simple:
1. Stop putting points into anything but attack and defense.
2. Gather skill points.
_____a. Achievements.
_____b. Gold medals. 200 stamina has allowed me gold medal damage in all non alpha monsters without using refills.
_____c. Use your energy for quests.
3. Below level 300, level slowly. War isn’t (legally) open ended like PVP, so a strong BSI matters since most people will only wage war through the battle page.

khanvalescent
08-31-2010, 07:17 AM
What Generals to Use Where
Put your best generals in your best slots. "Best" means calculate attack + (0.7 * defense) when attacking. Calculate (0.7 * attack) + defense when defending. Generals' stats are multiplied by 6 (see below), so it is important to put in a little work and figure out who is best.

Don't be lazy and keep the same generals in the same spots when attacking and defending. If you use any generals with a significant difference between their attack and defense (23/18, 18/25, etc.) then you will most likely need to swap them around. Remember, there are few ways in castle age for actual effort to be rewarded - this is one of them. Don't be lazy.

In some cases it may be worth it to be cute and stack your best generals in your +2 slots. For the most part, War is not that competitive enough to bother being tricky. If you are being bookmarked (illegally I might add), it may be worth it to try and rearrange things to shake your stalker. Otherwise this guide recommends evaluating your targets correctly so that you do not have to rely on gimmicks, trickery, and or shenanigans to win.

Abilities
Only the general you have equipped will have their ability take effect. Adrianna is absolutely the best general to use, followed distantly by Hyperion. After that, equip whichever general best improves your PVP ability.

Generals and the Multiplier.

Initially it seemed that a general's stats were insignificant. My top gear provides 335.7 attack rating (attack + .7 defense), while Kataan (my best attacking general, QQ) provides only 37.4 attack rating. This is almost exactly 10% of total attack rating - not much, right?

Yet as time went by, the community noticed that the formula is different from normal duels. Better equipment configurations were losing to poorer ones. Right now the popular weight value is 6x. So Kataan's effective rating becomes (37.4 * 6) 224.4. This is almost exactly 40% of my total attack rating. Much more consequential.

My worst possible gear configuration leads to 194.9. In this case, Kataan would be worth 53% of my effective attack.

Best attacking general is Malakus. 43.6 attack rating * = 261.6 That is a 37.2 attack difference between him and Kataan, the best attacking general anybody can readily obtain.

Big deal? 37.2 attack differences in other slots:

Meat Cleaver ---> Frost Edge
Purgatory ---> Atlantean Shield
Plate of Ages ---> Pauldrons of Light
Helm of dragon power ----> Frost Helm
Moonfall amulet ----> Thawing Star
2 Death Touch Guantlets ----> Nothing
Gladiator's Strength ----> Nothing

If I saw any of these contrasting items, I would automatically know the reason for losing a given slot in war.

General Equipment.
Equipment that specifically modifies a general's stats is calculated in War. There was a tweet a while back saying that not all equipment was properly modifying all generals, but (as usual) no specifics were given nor did I ever hear of a fix. At this point, just assume that all gear affects all generals.

I don't really recommend ever buying this gear. If you have enough money or FP acquisition skills to do buy 6 slots worth of general gear (12 X 25 FP), you should probably use those FP on chests.


Evaluating Generals
Throw out the typical "epic" vs "non-epic" binary description of generals. Some epics are simply FP sponges (Kull) or have a gimmicky situational use (Stone guardian, Orc Warrior, Kobo).


Gold
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Offense_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _Defense
Corvintheus [47.6] _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ Corvintheus [47.6]
Malekus [45.7] _ _ ___ _ _ _ __ __ _ _ _ _ _ Ambrosia [44.2]
Azeron [44.8] _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Aurora [44.2]
Ambrosia [44.2] _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ __Azeron [43.6]
Aurora [44.2]_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _Xira[42.9]
Xira [43.8]_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ __Malekus [42.7]
Azriel [43.4]_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __Mephistopheles [41.9]
Mephistopheles [43.1]_ _ _ _____ _ _ _ _ _ _Azriel [41.6]
Athenia [40.10]_ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ ____ _ ___Kobo [41.0]


Silver
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Banthus Achfiend [39.40]_ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _Athenia [39.8]
Lotus Ravenmoore [39.30]_ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _Halycon[39.6]
Sylvanas [39.10]_ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ ________ _Sylvanas[39.1]
Theorin [38.10]_ _ _ _ _ _____ __ _ ____ _ _Banthus Archfiend [38.8]
Kataan/Orc King [37.40]_ _ _ _ _ _ ________Keira[38.6]
Halycon [36.9]_ _ _ _ _ _ _______ _____ _ _Theorin[38.4]
Kull [36.7]_ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ ___ _Isolde [37.6]
Keira [36.2]_ _ _ _ _ _ __ ____________ _ _ Orc King [37.4]
Skaar [36.0]_ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ ____________ _Kataan [37.4]
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ ______ _ _ _Sofira [37.3]
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ _______ _ _ _Lotus [37.2]
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ ___ _Kull [36.4]
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _______ _ _Stone Guardian [36.0]

Bronze
------------------------------------------------------------------------
More recent bimonthly generals and Onslaught & Oblivion generals not listed above.

Buying Generals
This thread (http://castleageforums.com/cforum/showthread.php?t=21408) details Chest rolls and costs. It takes about $57 to get an epic general. Best Bang for the buck is Onslaught, followed by Oblivion, Vanguard, and finally Alpha. Do remember that epic generals are not required to rank up in War (nor to even reach Alpha Vanguard), and that chests are an expensive gamble. Worry about things you can control - PVP & Items - before you throw away the kids' trust fund on 1200 FP.

Must own generals:
Adrianna
Kataan

Buy these two before you spend any FP on chests. Special abilities only apply to general that is equipped as your main general. Adrianna is by far the best general to have equipped. Hyperion is a distant second. After that, whichever general best affects PVP is best.


Alpha: 1 Gold, 2 Silver.
Vanguard: 2 Gold, 2 Silver.
Onslaught: 3.5 Gold, 3 Silver.
Oblivion: 2.5 Gold, 2.5 Silver.

If a general is only in Silver/Gold in offense or defense, they are only worth .5.

Some of the alchemy generals have decent stats, but do NOT create Medius unless you have 6 Frost Bolts and Genesis Swords.

Keira
-----
Pursue her only, and ONLY, if you already have the Dreadnought Plate. Tag raids for the demon strength, and the rest of her items drop readily. She is useful in War defensively, and moderately effective offensively, but the stamina cost of obtaining her is so incredibly high.

TL;DR version: Generals matter, but epic generals are not required.

khanvalescent
08-31-2010, 07:17 AM
FAQ

Why don’t you recommend any legendaries?
Their opportunity cost is too high. If it makes sense to farm a legendary, then you are beyond the scope of this guide.

Why don’t you recommend the DTG?
See above question. This guide is not about stroking your epeen to charismatic mega-items. It is about getting strong. Fast.

Ok wise-guy, then why do you recommend the Helm of Dragon Power?
There is a considerable drop off in power (25-50%) after the first three helms. Farming raids takes minimal stamina and rewards Chase. 25 dragon kills awards great achievement rewards. Between the two of these, a player should be able to create 1-3 HDPs.

What about the Atlantean Forcefield?
There is no serpent achievement. The Atlantean Forcefield is much less powerful than HDP, and there are a great deal of similar options for far less opportunity cost.

I thought war is about items and generals, why do you recommend a solid PVP build?
PVP is a third of war. You don’t need 1k stamina/energy to farm any 3 epics. You don’t even need it to get a legendary here or there.

Are generals really that important?
Yes. At this point, it is universally agreed upon there is a multiplier. This thread (http://castleageforums.com/cforum/showthread.php?t=33774) (thanks to Zserg for finding it!) posits it is a 6x multiplier. To date, it is the only public thread showing any real research with credible results.

I don’t have any epic generals, should I bother?
Yes. I still saw a few Alpha Vangaurds (top 2%) with no epic generals, and it almost seemed like a majority of Vanguards (top 3-5%) had no epic generals. War is much less competitive than the Arena.

Why are the rewards itemized for invasions and not war (i.e. a 3 item buy limit)?
My theory is War was designed to be PVP for monster hunters (it isn’t) and that the rewards were to be roughly equivalent, for stamina spent, to PVP rewards.

Will there be more tier rewards released?
Probably. It depends on how hard the developers intend to push War. Traditional PVP is the unmentionable stepchild of the game and has still gotten a few tier updates over the months. Conversely, raids and Atlantis are all but forgotten, so it is not a given.

Is bookmarking possible?
Yes. It will get you suspended.

I’m being bookmarked, haaaalp!!??!
The best solution is to politely and diplomatically approach the attacker. Do not threaten them. Do not make accusations that their mother AND FATHER are BOTH romantically involved with various barnyard animals. Do congratulate them on the victory. Do compliment them on their gear/generals. Do remind them that it is not intended. Do politely ask them to stop. As in the real world, a little humor and self-deprecation can go a long way.

If you’ve followed this guide, you probably won’t be bookmarked. You will be strong enough that anybody who can beat you will be able to beat basically anybody else. The only problem is the lack of high ranking War players.

Why does everything in war cost an order of magnitude [10x] more?
No clue. I think it is a mistake and combined with the lack of (intended) retaliation, the primary reason for War’s unpopularity. To give war longevity. Otherwise, everybody would be max rank in 1 week like normal LOLPVP.

Where do I start if I have absolutely nothing?
Normal Vincent, Corvintheus, Azriel, Bahumat. In that order.

khanvalescent
08-31-2010, 07:18 AM
Top war items, by slot.

Color codes:
Alpha Vincent
Azriel
Corvintheus
Gehenna
War of the Red Plains
Alpha Mephistopheles
Ragnarok
Lion's Rebellion
Valhalla
Jahanna
Agamemnon
Aurora
Giants

Weapons
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
3x Heart of the Woods [60.8]
3x The Reckoning [59.6]
1x Soulforge [59.5]

Defense
3x Heart of the Woods [65]
1x Soulforge [59.5]
3x Celesta's Devotion [59.4]

Offhand
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
3x Aegis of Kings [78]
1x Sword of Redemption [71]
3x Aegis of Stone [58]

Defense
3x Aegis of Kings [75]
1x Sword of Redemption [71]
3x Aegis of Stone [61]

Helms
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
3x Crown of Flames [55.4]
3x Helm of Frost [52.6]
1x Mask of Agamemnon [52.3]

Defense
3x Crown of Flames [55.1]
3x Mask of Agamemnon [52.3]
1x Helm of Frost [51.1]

Armor
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
3x Glacial Plate[56.1]
3x Plate of the Ages [51.5]
1x Lion Scar Plate [45.6]

Defense
3x Plate of the Ages [59]
3x Glacial Plate[56.1]
1x Plate of the Wild [46.1]

Amulets
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
3x Transcendence [71.2]
3x Force of Nature [70]
1x Moonfall Amulet[68]

Defense
3x Force of Nature [74.5]
3x Transcendence [68.2]
1x Moonfall Amulet[68]

Gloves
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
3x Stormbriger [30.6]
3x Soul Crusher [27.2]
1x Hand of Vahalla [26.8]

Defense
3x Stormbriger [30.6]
3x Soul Crusher [27.2]
1x Hand of Vahalla [25.9]

Magic
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
3x Lava Inferno [48.3]
3x Divine Blast[46]
1x Swarm of Darknesss [31.2]

Defense
3x Lava Inferno [43.5]
3x Divine Blast[42.4]
1x Frost Bolt [33.4]

khanvalescent
08-31-2010, 07:18 AM
One more for the boys! Hana ho!

Adam B
08-31-2010, 08:19 AM
Greaaaaat guide. Made for a good read. Thanks

255257
08-31-2010, 09:53 AM
Wow~~ you must spent a lot of time writing this guide:)

smokeytripod
08-31-2010, 07:01 PM
just pointing out u missed out soulforge in the weapon lineup....it would be best to have 1 of those rather then a genesis for max lineup :p

khanvalescent
08-31-2010, 07:06 PM
Its mentioned in the guide several times, but legendary items are not worth the stamina required to intentionally farm. If the damage suggestions are followed, most people will get one or two "accidentally".

MichaelSeth
08-31-2010, 07:07 PM
Excellent guide.

I saw a couple of minor errors.

Magic: (29.5*3)+(27.2*3)+(23.8*1) = 193.9

So magic is not as crap as gloves and is a bit less
useful than amulets.

Orc King is also silver as an attacking general (37.4)

I realize that you are assuming starting from nothing but those who took
part in the Arenas will have a leg-up in the equipment stakes. Might be
worth a comment.

Deathshield is the most common epic from Skaar? I've got 2 hellplates and
only 1 shield. I just need those two deathshields to have a perfect set of offhand
gear for WAR. Damn you Skaar. And let's not forget Kobo.

Actually, speaking of Kobo, he drops Celestas devotion, Deathshields, DTG and some
other yummy stuff. You can help yourself in the gear stakes by sending and receiving
lots of gifts.

The devs have mentioned that general gear counts toward WAR
so Kataan could be 24/24 with all of his gear. If you believe that
general gear counts this may improve the potential of some generals.

khanvalescent
08-31-2010, 07:22 PM
Magic: (29.5*3)+(27.2*3)+(23.8*1) = 193.9

Thanks, will fix this!


Orc King is also silver as an attacking general (37.4)

Thanks again!



Actually, speaking of Kobo, he drops Celestas devotion, Deathshields, DTG and some other yummy stuff. You can help yourself in the gear stakes by sending and receiving lots of gifts.

You're right, I actually forgot to put the Kobo section in, I think because the section I wanted to add him to was already at the 10k character limit. I'll add him before the end of the day.

Kobo is a great resource for Holy Plates as well, which are a great defensive armor, but not worth using stamina on.



The devs have mentioned that general gear counts toward WAR
so Kataan could be 24/24 with all of his gear. If you believe that
general gear counts this may improve the potential of some generals.

Until the developers actually say which gear applies and which doesn't, I'm remaining as silent as they are on the subject. I am very hesitant to encourage anybody to spend 50FP on a couple of .jpgs if they don't have any affect on a general's stats. If gear does affect a generals stats, then I would recommend buying gear + monthlies instead of gambling for epics. Again, until there is more reliable communication (twitter account is "mistaken" sometimes), I am not going to encourage buying equipment.

Thanks again for the great feedback.

MichaelSeth
08-31-2010, 07:30 PM
Until the developers actually say which gear applies and which doesn't, I'm remaining as silent as they are on the subject. I am very hesitant to encourage anybody to spend 50FP on a couple of .jpgs if they don't have any affect on a general's stats. If gear does affect a generals stats, then I would recommend buying gear + monthlies instead of gambling for epics. Again, until there is more reliable communication (twitter account is "mistaken" sometimes), I am not going to encourage buying equipment.



That's fair enough. I'm on the side of people who believe that most gear does count
but I'm still not spending 50FP on gear for my Kataan. It might be worth keeping
in mind for non-biweekly generals. For example, I have Azriel and the spell that
gives her +5 on defence and also Darius who is 20/20 with his gear. Arielle is
21/19 with all of her gear. Those in Arena II will have a nice Shino. For
those without any powerful generals Dante and Vangquish + gear could be
worth a look. I just think that if all else is equal it might be worth considering what
general gear you have when choosing you WAR council.

khanvalescent
08-31-2010, 07:36 PM
Arielle is
21/19 with all of her gear. Those in Arena II will have a nice Shino. For
those without any powerful generals Dante and Vangquish + gear could be
worth a look. I just think that if all else is equal it might be worth considering what
general gear you have when choosing you WAR council.

General section still admittedly needs a little bit of work. You are correct though, and I'll probably put some disclaimer in there somewhere, as Arielle, Dante, and Vanquish can make a difference with easily obtainable gear modifiers. Anybody with the amount of gear to make Shino relevant probably still won't be using him in a council.

axis
08-31-2010, 08:24 PM
A bit of a discrepancy I am curious about, Azriel's 25/12 armor is a crutch but Bahamut's is a mandatory. Is there a drop rate difference? or some other reason they are different.

I personally hate the 25/12 armors (i have like 4 of them) I would honestly prefer the holy plate to get more use out of it defensively.



And another question, do you use the same gear lineup offensively and defensively? You can check your offensive lineup with WotRP but defensively you would have to find someone to test you through the battle pages (or illegal bookmarking).

khanvalescent
08-31-2010, 08:54 PM
A bit of a discrepancy I am curious about, Azriel's 25/12 armor is a crutch but Bahamut's is a mandatory. Is there a drop rate difference? or some other reason they are different.

I really just didn't want people spending too much time on Azriel before moving on. I don't know what he drop rate for rares are, but I do have 4 Archangel's Battlegear and only 1 Zealot Robe. Even for mandatory items, if a person has 75%+ of all of them, it makes sense to move on.

Additionally, in the armor section of items I do have hellforge plate/zealot robes slashed on the same line, so it is noted that they are functionally equivalent.



And another question, do you use the same gear lineup offensively and defensively? You can check your offensive lineup with WotRP but defensively you would have to find someone to test you through the battle pages (or illegal bookmarking).

The gear changes, which you can see when attacking other players. Invade them, look at their gear, and then look at what is used in war. Holy Plates are used when people defend, even if they have 7 better offensive armors.

MichaelSeth
08-31-2010, 09:07 PM
The gear changes, which you can see when attacking other players. Invade them, look at their gear, and then look at what is used in war. Holy Plates are used when people defend, even if they have 7 better offensive armors.

I concur about the AA battlegear. I've got about 7 of them and no zealot's robes.

The point about defensive gear is very interesting. With some effort (usually with
a helpful War of the Red Plains) you can fine-tune your WAR set up so that the gear
is distributed in a way that suits your tactics. What happens with your defensive
set up? Is it another, completely random distribution or is it very similar
to your offensive set up with more defensive items substituted in?

If anyone wants to do an experiment, I'm happy to be a crash test dummy. I
have some gear that will only be used on defence. I guess the attacker
will need to know how to WAR bookmark. I have no idea how that's done.

axis
08-31-2010, 11:07 PM
The gear changes, which you can see when attacking other players. Invade them, look at their gear, and then look at what is used in war. Holy Plates are used when people defend, even if they have 7 better offensive armors.

Wait... Really? :eek: I mean, I know the 25/12s are stronger offesnively than Holy Plates, but I never noticed that they were used when fighting in the arena. I just assumed it was consistently using only the offensive equipment, and thus giving me an advantage over the people with all 7 copies of the 25/12 armor, thereby kicking out their holy plates. I never actually checked...

Now I am concerned that my setup isn't as solid as I thought it was... :(

Anyway, it is on my to do list to fix, eventually.

Franklin D
08-31-2010, 11:32 PM
You mentioned "tagging" raids for HoDP ingredients...how many kills do you need to "tag"?

Also, what are the names of these raids?

Thanks!

khanvalescent
09-01-2010, 01:08 AM
You mentioned "tagging" raids for HoDP ingredients...how many kills do you need to "tag"?

Also, what are the names of these raids?

Thanks!

There's only one raid, The Deathrune Siege. I only did 2 kills on each raid, which is one stamina point. Go to the "help me with monsters" forum, and open each raid in a new window. I edit out the siege portion because it is a waste of stamina. Once you have 10 or so raids open, go through each one and do one kill. You should get +2 kills for each raid. I wouldn't do more than 10-20 raids at a time, it gets tough to check for loot after that. Taggging them should be a long and steady process that you do for weeks, not 100s in a few days.

khanvalescent
09-01-2010, 01:11 AM
Now I am concerned that my setup isn't as solid as I thought it was... :(


For the most part, it doesn't matter that much. In most instances, defensive gear used just reshuffled around what's important - e.g. genesis sword is better for defending than hellblade, but you still use both in your council. Holy Plate is really the main example of an item not being that great offensively, but being fairly solid defensively.

Green mariner
09-01-2010, 02:21 AM
Very nice thread khanvalescent...

This thread will be bookmarked by me....


thanks & cheers...

riotus
09-04-2010, 01:35 PM
Bump and request for sticky pls.

Adam B
09-05-2010, 02:53 PM
Definitely sticky worthy

daveskin283
09-07-2010, 08:42 AM
Many thanks to ur post. I love it.

axis
09-08-2010, 03:08 AM
Although it is obviously a bit early, since noone knows the drop rates yet, but Gehenna has a few good drops that I hope will be added to your list soon?

Tooth of Gehenna (18/23) to complement Armaggedon pendant
Hephaestus Sword (28/22) is a 4th weapon whose a+d=50

I am not sure any of the other items make it overly high on the list besides as "crutches".

...

But anyway, I just want to make sure this great guide stays updated. :D
Thanks again!

khanvalescent
09-08-2010, 04:27 AM
Yeah, I'll update the guide this week with the new stuff. This monster appears to be good enough to put in the Azriel/Bahumat loot range.

Syra
09-10-2010, 12:59 AM
Impressive guide!

I am not sure if this has already been mentioned, but here is a tip for PvP builds.

Each time you reset your war council, your war council items get redistributed. If you are a PvP build and fairly confident that you will win your +5 slot, reset your war council until any rare, high stat items (Sword of Redemption, Moonfall Amulet, Celesta's Devotion, Cleaver, and any legendary items) are on a general and not yourself. You don't need the extra help, but maybe it will make the difference in the general winning his/her battle. If you are really motivated, you can even reset your war council until the items are protecting your +3 position, are evenly distributed, whatever your strategy might be.

mikes852
09-10-2010, 07:48 AM
a question about general's stats. say for instance arielle.. without her gears her stats are 18/16 and with gear shes 21/19. so im asking, are the general's gears equipped for the war council or are her stats gonna be 18/16?

khanvalescent
09-10-2010, 09:28 AM
a question about general's stats. say for instance arielle.. without her gears her stats are 18/16 and with gear shes 21/19. so im asking, are the general's gears equipped for the war council or are her stats gonna be 18/16?

The developers have been vague on gear affecting generals. According to the twitter account, certain gear affects certain generals - but we don't know which specific gear and which specific generals.

I'd say go ahead and "hope" that gear affects and adjust your council accordingly - in the long run it should end up with all gear affecting all generals.

Adam B
09-10-2010, 05:12 PM
Looking forward to the gehanna update on this guide, bumping this thread and requesting a sticky

khanvalescent
09-11-2010, 03:52 AM
Updated for Gehenna. I have her as the second best monster to farm now.

Did not suggest a damage as I'm still debating whether the legendary helm is worth trying to farm 3 epics for. At this point it seems 3.5M will consistently provide 2 epics and 7M will provide 3 epics. Lowest legendary drop is 8M.

khanvalescent
09-12-2010, 07:17 AM
Emended the generals section to be a little more newbie friendly; also removed a few of the more self-indulgent statements.

Edit: Also if someone finds a sexist paragraph in there somewhere, let me know and I'll dampen the misogyny as much as I can.

Kooky
09-14-2010, 01:37 PM
Your sayings feature only 1 woman, the rest are men. Thats sexist too :)

khanvalescent
09-14-2010, 07:40 PM
Your sayings feature only 1 woman, the rest are men. Thats sexist too :)

History was not kind towards women :( Although most "anonymous" quotes were by women, I believe.

ucdPolarBear
09-14-2010, 08:21 PM
History was not kind towards women :( Although most "anonymous" quotes were by women, I believe.

I just want to thank you for this guide, as well as say that you are well read :)

Kiwihab
09-14-2010, 08:50 PM
Great read and very informative. Thanks for all your effort. Even though I think I know "pretty much" what I'm doing :p it still was very useful to see everything condensed and summarised/explained so well :)

laneanders
09-17-2010, 11:46 PM
I didn't know this was here till I saw it in Pooh's signature. Nice writeup man. I've already got everything short of Plate of Ages, 2 more Crown of Flame, and Trascendence as well as the not really worth farming DTG/Soulcrusher.

I would very much like to attain a Soulforge or w/e it's called, and 3 Hellblade's but as many Alpha Meph's as I have put down I have never gotten a single drop that would let me make it :(

I focused on items since my PvP stats are lacking and my generals are suckish at best :)

Nice guide though man.

laneanders
09-18-2010, 12:31 AM
Can we get a sticky on this please. Very informative.

Chepmaster
09-18-2010, 12:45 AM
A very good guide indeed!Should be sticky!!! Unfortunatelly I didn't find what I was looking for-the answer to the generals gear bonuses question.I guess the devs don't want our money,so they're still mysterious about the gear affecting general stats :D.Anyway thanks for the info about offensive/defensive gear changing automatically when attacking or defending,that is good to know for sure.

ALSO!!! I never saw mentioned (it could've been,I just didn't see it :) the info about obtaining new war gear.For example you obtain soulforge,you attack and oh dear God,you see you're not using it !!! I'm not sure if this happens only sometimes but with me it happens always whenever I obtain new gear for war.In that case just reset your War Council whenever you get a new item you're gonna use for war,otherwise you migh find yourself fithting without it.Hope I was helpful :)

Shaun Swetman
09-18-2010, 01:45 AM
Quick question... How can I get said hero's? I have enough favour points but I can't seem to find where to buy them and I would really like to strgenthen my waring party because at the moment it's fairly weak

khanvalescent
09-18-2010, 03:07 AM
Nice guide though man.
Thanks :)


Unfortunatelly I didn't find what I was looking for-the answer to the generals gear bonuses question.

In one of my replies I somewhat address it, basically just saying not to buy any gear, but that if you do have gear that affects generals, go ahead an use them and hope that it does affect them. Would be nice if the castle age tweeter could be more specific or decisive. I will add it to the guide, however - thank you for reminding me.


In that case just reset your War Council whenever you get a new item you're gonna use for war,otherwise you migh find yourself fithting without it.Hope I was helpful :)
Yes, it was. I've been meaning to add the more basic elements of war to the guide (it was originally intended for not complete noobs) and just have forgotten. Will update it soon.


Quick question... How can I get said hero's? I have enough favour points but I can't seem to find where to buy them and I would really like to strgenthen my waring party because at the moment it's fairly weak
Go to oracle page and click on the chest tab. I'd recommend not buying chest generals, but that's just my opinion. Adrianna is better than any epic general, and Kataan is equal or better to half of them. Make sure you buy them first before you end up with 12 wolf spirits and no generals. For war, Onslaught is best, then Oblivion, then Vanguard, then Alpha.

There's also a sticky at the top of this forum with links to all past (non-chest) generals.

Shaun Swetman
09-18-2010, 03:41 AM
There's also a sticky at the top of this forum with links to all past (non-chest) generals.

This is what I was needing thank you very much.

laneanders
09-18-2010, 04:18 AM
Also Khan Add Crown of Flames as BiS for helmet and on par with DTG for not to farm status. I've killed 53 Gehenna and have 1 of them...

It's not Tyrant Crown that is hard to attain btw, it's the mother effing Rune of Flames. That SOB WILL NOT DROP!!!!

Green mariner
09-18-2010, 04:23 AM
This is what I was needing thank you very much.

Yes, you may see it on the sticky post or you may click my signature for the link.
Also you may see all general database on my thread. ( General Database ) and hope you can get any hlp from that...

Have a nice day...

Cheers...

k {ℜ}☣㊣
09-18-2010, 06:14 PM
A very good guide indeed!Should be sticky!!! Unfortunatelly I didn't find what I was looking for-the answer to the generals gear bonuses question.I guess the devs don't want our money,so they're still mysterious about the gear affecting general stats.

They tested the generals with their gear using the calculations in this post:
http://castleageforums.com/cforum/showthread.php?t=33774

It said that the general's items DO take effect in War.

laneanders
09-20-2010, 06:29 AM
Can this get a sticky please. It's one of the most thorough and well written tutorials on this entire forum, not to mention War has much more to it than Invasion or Duel - and as such should very much have it's own stickied tutorial for user perusal.

khanvalescent
09-20-2010, 08:21 AM
I don't mind bumping it. The moderators and I are enjoying a peaceful truce for the time being.

I'll update some of the sections tomorrow.

laneanders
09-20-2010, 07:35 PM
I asked the king for a sticky - he's good to his people :p

Riotblade
09-21-2010, 03:32 AM
nice, atleast I now know, what are preferable items to farm for war. Normally if I ask someonebody normal answers are farm legendary items, mephi gloves and DTG.


Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. - Mike Tyson
hehehe nice Icebreaker.

khanvalescent
09-21-2010, 07:45 AM
nice, atleast I now know, what are preferable items to farm for war. Normally if I ask someonebody normal answers are farm legendary items, mephi gloves and DTG.


hehehe nice Icebreaker.

If you have a lot of stamina, energy, or credit, farming legendaries is fine. My guide is more appropriate for pvp and hybrid builds. Even so, powerlevelers and slayers should still farm in the same order the guide prescribes, and pursue legendaries after - they will just be able to get to that point at an accelerated rate.

Glad you appreciated the quote, Mike Tyson will only be fully appreciated posthumously I fear.

WillEli
09-21-2010, 05:49 PM
Yeah this guide has been a great help and put me into thinking mode as to what i should be spending more time farming.

This is my current set up with items. and listing the stuff i need according to your guide and the stuff i want, that might just be taking me a long time.

Let me know if im on track. Top items is what i have already. followed by (needs/wants)

meat cleaver- 44/22= 59.4
hellblade X 2- 30/20= 44
virtue of justice X 3- 25/25= 42.5
hepheastus sword- 28/22= 43.4
(Needs Hellblade and Hepheastus sword X 2)
(Wants Soulforge and Celestas Devotion X 3)

death shield X 3- 24/24= 40.8
Hellcore defender- 18/10= 25
Purgatory- 30/30= 51
Sword of redemption- 50/30= 71
Juggernaut Shield- 18/12
(Needs Purgatory X 2)
(Wants...?)

Galvanized helm X 3- 11/13
Volcanic Helm- 32/14= 41.8
Crown of Flames- 33/32= 55.4
Swordsman helm- 15/15
Virtue of Fortitude- 14/32= 36.4
(Needs Helm of Dragon Power X 3 and Volcanic helm X 2)
(wants 2 more Crown of Flames)
(wish i got the Vanguard helm lol....)

Swordsmans Plate- 25/12= 33.4
Archangles Battlegear- 26/14= 35.8
Hellforge Plate- 25/12= 33.4
Deathrune Hellplate X 3- 18/27= 36.9
Gladiator Plate- 28/14= 37.8
(needs Archangles Battlegear X 2)
(Wants Plate of the Ages X 3)

Blood flask X 2- 20/20= 34
Armageddon Pendant X 3- 23/18= 35.6
Moonfall Amulet- 40/40= 68
Tooth of Gehenna- 18/23= 34.1
(Needs Tooth of Gehenna X 2)
(Wants Transcendence X 3)

Nightcraft Gauntlets- 9/14= 18.8
Hands of Bounty X 2- 10/9= 16.3
Gauntlet of Fire X 2- 13/9= 19.3
Death Touch Gauntlet X 2- 12/12= 20.4
(Needs Gauntlet of Fire)
(wants Soul Crusher X 3 and Fist of Abaddon X 3)

Frost bolt X 2- 12/25= 29.5
Skull fire X 3- 16/16= 27.2
Whirlwind- 28/17= 39.9
Gladiators Strength- 25/12= 33.4
(Needs Frost bolt)
(Wants...?)

I know this is just for offense, but i want to get this settled and then after that take a look at what i still need for defense set up.

My current Warguard set up is

POS1:(+2) Lotus Ravenmoore 26/19
POS2:(+3) Malekus 31/21
POS3:(+1) Skaar Deathrune 22/20
POS4:(+5) Me 1121/611
POS5:(+1) Scarlett 20/20
POS6:(+3) Azeron 28/24
POS7:(+2) Kull 22/21

And i currently have Hyperion Equiped though i gotta finish lvling him.

khanvalescent
09-21-2010, 07:45 PM
Let me know if im on track. Top items is what i have already. followed by (needs/wants)


You have great gear and great generals, good job.

I'd probably go for either Red Plains or Azriel first. Helmet is your most pressing need, and Virtue of Justice is a nice helm. Red Plains' gloves would also help, and there's also the lucky chance of a POA.

Azriel will be good for the remaining purgatories (a must) and archangel's battlegear.

freestyler_jg
09-22-2010, 09:54 AM
I still not so understand about the War council at this moment.
I have a lot good Generals at the moment but doesn't see any big changes of damage while I'm hitting (tactics) on War of the Red Plants.

I' seldom lose to war indeed, but I'm still figure out the way to putting these General into their best formation of attack + defense, can somebody help me please.. Thx

And I have :
Malekus
Ambrosia
Azeron
Lotus
Kull
Mephy
Azriel
Banthus
Xira

MichaelSeth
09-22-2010, 02:18 PM
I still not so understand about the War council at this moment.
I have a lot good Generals at the moment but doesn't see any big changes of damage while I'm hitting (tactics) on War of the Red Plants.

I' seldom lose to war indeed, but I'm still figure out the way to putting these General into their best formation of attack + defense, can somebody help me please.. Thx

And I have :
Malekus
Ambrosia
Azeron
Lotus
Kull
Mephy
Azriel
Banthus
Xira

I don't know what you mean by "changes in damage". In tactics and WAR
it's either "win the slot" or "lose the slot". If you are losing slots the
simple answer is gear since your generals are excellent.
Use this guide and improve your gear. Equip Adrianna.

As far as general placement goes, WAR is different from tactics
in WOTRP because the value of the slots is different in each case.
The relative effectiveness of generals for attack and defence
is described in this guide.

Finally, according to Splarticus, who seems to know these kinds of things,
the formula in tactics is not the same as in WAR. You can't just look
at the opposing general/soldier and their gear, use the standard WAR
formula and predict who will win.

freestyler_jg
09-22-2010, 03:21 PM
I don't know what you mean by "changes in damage". In tactics and WAR
it's either "win the slot" or "lose the slot". If you are losing slots the
simple answer is gear since your generals are excellent.
Use this guide and improve your gear. Equip Adrianna.

As far as general placement goes, WAR is different from tactics
in WOTRP because the value of the slots is different in each case.
The relative effectiveness of generals for attack and defence
is described in this guide.

Finally, according to Splarticus, who seems to know these kinds of things,
the formula in tactics is not the same as in WAR. You can't just look
at the opposing general/soldier and their gear, use the standard WAR
formula and predict who will win.

So you mean while I'm hitting the WotRP those General's attack power doesn't contribute into my total damage?
Because there's is some damage difference while I'm equip Malekus and Adriana, Adriana give aro 170K damage while Malekus 173K (the highest so far)

khanvalescent
09-22-2010, 07:58 PM
So you mean while I'm hitting the WotRP those General's attack power doesn't contribute into my total damage?
Because there's is some damage difference while I'm equip Malekus and Adriana, Adriana give aro 170K damage while Malekus 173K (the highest so far)

Generals do affect tactics damage. Switching from my defensive to offensive generals, I gain 1-2% damage.

Valcrist
09-23-2010, 03:10 PM
I would like to give a toast to khanvalescent for making a great guide. I appreciate the way you made the loot priority. They had no legendary items, only epic at most, which are obtainable items for common players like me.

this is agreat guide indeed. BRAVO!

Caidi
09-25-2010, 07:02 AM
Congrats on getting stickied! :)

khanvalescent
09-27-2010, 10:21 PM
Caidi: Thank you very much.

Also, I plan on modifying the section on tagging raids. I've received reports that wall of fire and demon strength both drop around the same %, just that my results are skewed one way (and others have results skewed the other).

Will update sometime this week when I'm less lazy/busy.

ss54
09-27-2010, 11:41 PM
Great guide.

I have a question.

Between Bahamut and Gehanna, which one would you start farming first?
I've barely farmed Bahamut in the past, and I have yet to touch a Gehanna.

I'm currently farming Azriel. Once I get my one more Purgatory and 2 more AA Battlegear I'll be moving on.

Big John
09-28-2010, 10:06 AM
Theory & Preparation
PVP
-----
You should have a solid PVP base. The +5 slot is worth 30% of victory. This gives you an incredible amount of flexibility. After winning the +5, you only need to win 4/12 remaining points. This allows for victory over people with better gear, or better generals, and often both.


eh? If you need 9 out of 17 total points to win the War, then the +5 slot would be worth 5/9 or 55% of the Victory ... wouldn't it?

Big John
09-28-2010, 10:49 AM
Theory & Preparation
I do not recommend going to War with anybody you cannot defeat in normal PVP. The +5 differential (its really +10) is too much of a hurdle to bother with most of the time. If you do want to annoy a High King with fewer than 500 loses, expect a slightly busier battlefeed.


Well ... actually, you are giving up +5 points in exchange for +3 points -- so it is really only a +2 difference. However, from the remaining 9 points available you need to score 6 of them -- which is the real hurdle. The fact that your best generals are now defending lower valued positions; may give you a slightly better chance of winning each of those slots. But yes, it is obviously better to win the +5 slot if you can.

WillEli
09-28-2010, 04:08 PM
Well in the last 2 Azrials i did. i got a purgatory on the first one. and 3 battlegears on the 2nd lol. Good stuff.

Big John
09-29-2010, 03:54 AM
Not sure what you're trying to do besides start an argument. Send me a PM if you want to trade insults, otherwise: **** off.

My, aren't we sensitive!

Not trying to start any argument. You posted a guide (which the admins considered worthy of a 'sticky') that claims that Amulets, which by your numbers provides 13.5% of the total gear contribution are more important that Weapon, which, again by your numbers, provides 17% of the total gear contribution. My question is a simple one -- why?

If you are going to post something where the evidence provided seems to contradict the conclusion drawn, you should be prepared for some questions. These forums are full of bad advice -- but most of it is not stickied. I am merely suggesting that either you have not explained something adequately, or perhaps your advice is wrong. If you refuse to clarify, I can only assume the latter.

My grouping is only a "suggestion" that combines gear of "similar" contribution together, which seemed a better fit to the numbers you provided.

traforaj
09-29-2010, 06:29 AM
Tey (Level 205)
Battle: Knight (Rank 5)
War: Corporal (Rank 3) 25 i attack this guy - and i loose the battle ???? Whai?????????? Ihave 132 army???????:mad::mad::mad::mad:

traforaj
09-29-2010, 06:34 AM
Romeo", level 216 Earl and 18 lvl battle and 7 war - i loose the battlle ant 7 war point?????????????
Whaiiiiiiii ???????

traforaj
09-29-2010, 07:00 AM
My (Level 205)
Battle: Scout (Rank 1)
War: Footman (Rank 2) army size 4 - I have (18 Rank)
( 7 Rank ) - I lose the battle and I lose 7 battle points???????? :mad::mad::mad:

U help me??? Pls!

khanvalescent
09-29-2010, 10:14 PM
Great guide.

Between Bahamut and Gehanna, which one would you start farming first?
I've barely farmed Bahamut in the past, and I have yet to touch a Gehanna.


Without knowing anything else, probably Bahamut. Gehanna has some nice gear, but the two [0/0] alchemy items, one an epic & the other a legendary, as well as the flame invoker/orc champion really dilute the loot drops.

WillEli
09-30-2010, 10:28 AM
I might be lucky. I normaly am, I got 1 plate of ages and 3 of the virtue helms off of doing 14,500,000 damage on my last raid. But still want to get 2 more, though it's looking like the new chest piece from the lion raid is better for offense?

Death of Rats
11-07-2010, 09:08 AM
The flames are out, and the ashes have been swept away. There is good information in this thread, so let's not set it on fire again.

axis
11-07-2010, 09:19 AM
The flames are out, and the ashes have been swept away. There is good information in this thread, so let's not set it on fire again.

<3 for DoR

Now, update for Lions Rebellion and Vincent please? :D

ucdPolarBear
11-07-2010, 02:24 PM
Excellent :)

khanvalescent
11-07-2010, 04:51 PM
<3 for DoR

Now, update for Lions Rebellion and Vincent please? :D

I'm going to update it for Vincent, but I don't like Lions Rebellion at all.

Matezma
11-07-2010, 05:17 PM
I'm going to update it for Vincent, but I don't like Fillers Rebellion at all.

Me neither :D Does anybody?

axis
11-07-2010, 08:14 PM
I'm going to update it for Vincent, but I don't like Lions Rebellion at all.

from Lions rebellion, you get 5 fp for doing 1mil+activity 5 times. people will fight it, would you recommend doing the 1 mil and running or actually aiming for the serpentine ring? (i think that is the only epic that is any good from it if I remember correctly)

khanvalescent
11-07-2010, 08:57 PM
from Lions rebellion, you get 5 fp for doing 1mil+activity 5 times. people will fight it, would you recommend doing the 1 mil and running or actually aiming for the serpentine ring? (i think that is the only epic that is any good from it if I remember correctly)


I'd do 1.5 just to get one consistent epic out of it. Lion's Rebellion is much better for people with higher stamina, imo. Legendary items have slightly more forgiving drop rates (assuming you get one to drop) over the worthless units/crystals in other monsters.

ucdPolarBear
11-07-2010, 11:09 PM
Excellent as usual :)

I have a question, now that Vincent's sword is in the equation.

Is farming for 3x Virtue of Justice more worthwhile than 3x Hellblade (for offensive setup)?

I thought of this because you write that Hellblade is a hard drop to obtain from A.Meph (and the chances of success are risky), while Virtue of Justice is relatively easier/safer to obtain.

Again, thanks for the guide :)

khanvalescent
11-08-2010, 02:23 AM
Excellent as usual :)

Is farming for 3x Virtue of Justice more worthwhile than 3x Hellblade (for offensive setup)?

I thought of this because you write that Hellblade is a hard drop to obtain from A.Meph (and the chances of success are risky), while Virtue of Justice is relatively easier/safer to obtain.




Farm order:
1. Exsanguinator Best offensively & defensively.
2. Hephaestus Sword.
3. Virtue of Justice. Rarest of Red Plains epics. You will be plowing a lot of earth here, though, so thats fine.
4/. Hellblade. Pain in the arse. There are plenty of decent weapons now.
/4. Genesis Sword. Find battles where health is under 40%.Drop rate is around 10-15%. If you kill five a day, you should have 3 after two weeks.


If you need anything else from Red Plains (and the Plate can drop at 7/8k activity), I go with Red plains first.

The hellblade and alpha meph are both becoming fairly problematic. As quoted above, it is really the last thing someone should farm (tied with genesis sword). Combine this with the tendency of most people having either a celesta's devotion or meat cleaver (or both, or multiples of both) and the hellblade loses even more relevancy.

Bottom line, you'll be more than fine going into battle with 3 exsanguinators, 3 heph swords, and a VOJ or devotion or something to bottom/top it off. If it weren't for meph's amulet, I wouldn't even recommend killing him.

ucdPolarBear
11-08-2010, 02:40 AM
If you need anything else from Red Plains (and the Plate can drop at 7/8k activity), I go with Red plains first.

The hellblade and alpha meph are both becoming fairly problematic. As quoted above, it is really the last thing someone should farm (tied with genesis sword). Combine this with the tendency of most people having either a celesta's devotion or meat cleaver (or both, or multiples of both) and the hellblade loses even more relevancy.

Bottom line, you'll be more than fine going into battle with 3 exsanguinators, 3 heph swords, and a VOJ or devotion or something to bottom/top it off. If it weren't for meph's amulet, I wouldn't even recommend killing him.

Thanks for the analysis :)

reiness77
11-16-2010, 01:13 AM
This should be stickied :)

ucdPolarBear
11-16-2010, 01:50 AM
This should be stickied :)

It is indeed a high caliber guide, but the OP requested not to have it stickied.

So we will have to comment to keep it bumped up :)

TMA
11-16-2010, 07:50 PM
Ok, question on the 3X on items, is there a limit on them? Since Vincent seems to give up stuff fairly easy, wouldn't it be good to get 1 of the bloodplate for each slot? Sorry if this is obvious, fairly new to the club, here.

ucdPolarBear
11-16-2010, 09:45 PM
Ok, question on the 3X on items, is there a limit on them? Since Vincent seems to give up stuff fairly easy, wouldn't it be good to get 1 of the bloodplate for each slot? Sorry if this is obvious, fairly new to the club, here.

Each equipment type needs 7 total items (7 weapons, 7 armors, etc). You can only have 3 of each specific item (3 Genesis sword, 3 Hellblade, etc).

Because of that, you cannot have 7 Bloodplate armors. You can have a max of 3, which is why you need other items to fill out your council.

Khwadj
11-18-2010, 02:11 PM
Really a great guide. If not stickied, it should at least have a comfortable room in the "Informational threads (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showthread.php?t=1050)" thread.

One thing is missing though...one thing that will take much time, which is a list of items that do affect generals' stats or not. Right now, I'm hesitating between buying gear to Kataan and Solara (4x25 FP) or trying my luck at chests, and such a list would have been helpful.

Thanks Khan

TMA
11-19-2010, 03:43 PM
So, is the fact that my war council keeps getting reset to a default that uses my wimpier generals part of the whole server instability, or is this supposed to happen, and I have to reassign on a regular basis?

Khwadj
11-19-2010, 04:47 PM
WC reset used to happen several times a day but hasn't been a problem since a long time.

It is probably due to past server instability. Mine's been behaving normally for the past 4 or 5 months.

khanvalescent
11-19-2010, 05:27 PM
One thing is missing though...one thing that will take much time, which is a list of items that do affect generals' stats or not. Right now, I'm hesitating between buying gear to Kataan and Solara (4x25 FP) or trying my luck at chests, and such a list would have been helpful.


Sorry for the late response and thank you for the kind words.

I agree that such a list would be helpful, but frankly I'm not willing to undergo an investigation because of the time and stamina it would consume. Even if I had all of the items and every general, it would be very difficult to find a target with items and generals so similar that the +1 attack/defense would be the deciding factor in the match (and thus determined to actually affect the generals).

Kuko started a thread in technical support asking if they all are working now. Its been months since the tweeter vaguely declared some items to be working and others not. If the devs are going to keep pushing war, and ask us to invest 300,000 stamina - it would be nice if they could keep us informed, or be more specific. Even from a financial perspective, they should let us know which items are the bad apples because (I think) a lot of people are holding off on buying ANY items until they are sure they work.

khanvalescent
11-19-2010, 05:38 PM
I'll also put in a Best In Slot post at some point in the future. A lot of people have been asking for this (or bugging me about not including legendary items). The Blacksmith (http://castleage.wikia.com/wiki/Blacksmith) page on the wikia is a great resource to use in the meantime.

I also plan on updating the amulet section soon. I really dislike Alpha Meph, and with the introduction of the Exsanguinator and the Serpentine Ring, I'm really leaning towards removing him. I don't like Aurelleis either, but most people will want to kill him 5x for the achievement, and hopefully a Serpentine Ring will drop once or twice while doing that.

As a reminder, my current equipment recommendations per slot are not necessarily BIS. They are most effective in slot for non CC-ers.

(Also, I'm not visiting the forums as much, but I'll still try and respond within a day or so to any questions or complaints.)

ucdPolarBear
11-19-2010, 06:36 PM
I also plan on updating the amulet section soon. I really dislike Alpha Meph, and with the introduction of the Exsanguinator and the Serpentine Ring, I'm really leaning towards removing him. I don't like Aurelleis either, but most people will want to kill him 5x for the achievement, and hopefully a Serpentine Ring will drop once or twice while doing that.

As a reminder, my current equipment recommendations per slot are not necessarily BIS. They are most effective in slot for non CC-ers.

I've done 2 slow kill A.Mephs, doing 7m each. Each time I ended up with 1 epic (the belt and the fire breath). I think I'll avoid him for a while xD

I really appreciate your making this most effective in slot guide; prior to this people were recommending I farm Transcendence and Plate of Ages :D

Skeggy553
11-30-2010, 09:30 AM
I've just finished an Azriel doing your recommended damage and got 2 of those nice sets of armor for my war council, which is great. But it's occured to me that I've never gained a single purgatory from any of the Azriels I've fought, and I've fought a few. I realise that being a mostly PvP build my 'few' azriels is a days work for a super slayer but what's going on with that item? Does it have a lower drop rate than the others?

I'm seeing a lot of them with the people I'm war-hitting, so it feels like a considerable weakness in my council.

khanvalescent
11-30-2010, 10:01 AM
But it's occured to me that I've never gained a single purgatory from any of the Azriels I've fought, and I've fought a few. Does it have a lower drop rate than the others?


Azriel's loot table is actually fairly forgiving, and all of her epics have around a 20% drop rate. Sounds like you are just unlucky :( Here is a loot spreadsheet (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Aro5WgWKHR6JdDhPcnBydUoxSFZnR3ZERmNsQTVQY 3c&hl=en&gid=13) - purgatory is 19.66%.


I'm seeing a lot of them with the people I'm war-hitting, so it feels like a considerable weakness in my council.

It is a very solid item, and I would keep plugging away until you get a couple. I'd recommend doing Vincent as well, if you need anything at all from him. Vincent only requires 133 stamina for optimal loot, so I'd do him concurrently just so that you don't get too discouraged.

Skeggy553
11-30-2010, 10:26 AM
Thanks for the loot spreadsheet, guess I'll have to keep on with the Azriels then :)


Unfortunately Vincent wouldn't help much, I have 3 Exsanguinators, 3 Bloodlord plates and 3 Swarms of Darkness.

AirPrang
11-30-2010, 11:02 AM
Very happy to see this guide unlocked, updated and active. I got a lot out of it as recommended reading when I was getting into war a couple of months ago, and now I'll learn even more.

I'm unlucky with Azriels too, and will just have to persevere. Her unforgiving nature is balanced by the pleasing generosity of other monsters so it all works out in the end. :)

MichaelSeth
11-30-2010, 01:31 PM
This is indeed a great guide. I've ridden it to something like a
20 or 30 :1 W:L ratio in WAR.

It's really worth chasing purgatories. The pickings in the offhand category
are pretty slim so purgatory is much better than any alternative. If you can
get that Azriel damage up to 10-12 million as well as 3 epics you might be
lucky and get a legendary. You could always try Army or the Apocalypse :)

stevegamer
12-05-2010, 05:25 AM
I noticed you have Vincent, but not Alpha Vincent listed. I was wondering how having mostly Alpha Vincents available to a player would change your thoughts. those of us in guilds, who do not control summons will get what opportunities we get.

Thanks for the excellent guide. I've been slowly upgrading my gear in many ways, and while this is war-focused, it certainly has spillover help in invasions as well.

khanvalescent
12-05-2010, 06:04 AM
I noticed you have Vincent, but not Alpha Vincent listed. I was wondering how having mostly Alpha Vincents available to a player would change your thoughts. those of us in guilds, who do not control summons will get what opportunities we get.


You bring up a good point, that I hadn't thought of.

Alpha Vincent consistently drops 2 epics at 100,000. 100,000 will take ~650 stamina on average. Still pretty good, as this same amount of stamina would only provide 4M activity on most next gen monsters if you have close to 1k attack.

I'd say that even Alpha Vincent is still probably the best monster to farm if you don't have any of his gear. Once you get 1 or 2 of Swarms of Darkness or Exsanguinators, the benefits of farming him are greatly reduced. So if you have 0 Exsanguinators/Swarms I would farm him regardless of your gear situation. Once you get an item or two, then re-evaluate if there are other monsters with more loot possibilities. Vincent drops nice gear, but the stupid units dilute his pool considerably when you only need 1 specific item from him.

Now, if you are satisfied with your gear from all other monsters, then I'd just farm Alpha Vincent till your heart's content, maybe even trying to go for 300k for a guaranteed legendary.

Now that I answered your specific situation, I'd try and do some social engineering and diplomatically try and get your GM or officers to summon a normal Vincent every once in a while. You literally need 1/4th the stamina for the same epic drops.

Actually, I can't remember or not, but doesn't everybody in a guild have an opportunity (so long as they invest the energy) to summon whatever they want? Energy should be used for skill points, but investing a 100 energy into a normal vincent is worth saving 400 stamina.

The Unknown Warrior
12-05-2010, 06:06 AM
How much activity do I need for War on the Red Plains? I know you gave a figure, but how many soldiers would I need to kill in total? I got like 4000 or 5000 and didn't get any of the three.

khanvalescent
12-05-2010, 06:11 AM
How much activity do I need for War on the Red Plains? I know you gave a figure, but how many soldiers would I need to kill in total? I got like 4000 or 5000 and didn't get any of the three.

Thanks for reminding me to edit that :)

7500 will often get you 3 epics and a rare shot at a legendary.
4500 will often get you 2 epics, with 0 shot at a legendary.

I go for the former just because finding them can be a pain in the arse, so I prefer to just throw my efforts into one at a time instead of frantically looking for them every couple of days. Plate of Ages is also nice (albeit very rare at that damage amount).

The Unknown Warrior
12-05-2010, 06:16 AM
Thanks for reminding me to edit that :)

7500 will often get you 3 epics and a rare shot at a legendary.
4500 will often get you 2 epics, with 0 shot at a legendary.

I go for the former just because finding them can be a pain in the arse, so I prefer to just throw my efforts into one at a time instead of frantically looking for them every couple of days. Plate of Ages is also nice (albeit very rare at that damage amount).

Sorry if I am being a pain in the ass, but besides Kaatan, Kiera, and Adriana who else is good to have? I have Hyperion and Noktar that's about all the "good" generals I have. I was thinking of buying FP, but will wait till issues are fixed.

zserg
12-05-2010, 06:30 AM
Sorry if I am being a pain in the ass, but besides Kaatan, Kiera, and Adriana who else is good to have? I have Hyperion and Noktar that's about all the "good" generals I have. I was thinking of buying FP, but will wait till issues are fixed.

From the monthlies. Elora and Solara have the best stats. I think Zin is up there too.

Check this out too.
http://castleageforums.com/cforum/showpost.php?p=1322327&postcount=10

The Unknown Warrior
12-05-2010, 06:31 AM
So stats > effect?

zserg
12-05-2010, 06:49 AM
In war yes. The generals you have on your war council are judged solely by their stats.

Also as an active general, Adriannna is the best.

Darius if his gear works is a 20/20 he is good too(devs said gear works, they weren't very clear, but they said it).

Suri has good stats too.


Keira and Vincent are very good as well.

The Unknown Warrior
12-05-2010, 06:53 AM
Alright thank you for the list. Now I just need to buy FP and get lucky. Do I need her in my War Council for the effect or not?

ucdPolarBear
12-05-2010, 06:59 AM
So stats > effect?

In War, only the current equipped general's effect works.

edit: ninja'd :D

zserg
12-05-2010, 07:05 AM
Alright thank you for the list. Now I just need to buy FP and get lucky. Do I need her in my War Council for the effect or not?

No. You just need to have her equipped.

MichaelSeth
12-05-2010, 07:07 AM
Actually, I can't remember or not, but doesn't everybody in a guild have an opportunity (so long as they invest the energy) to summon whatever they want? Energy should be used for skill points, but investing a 100 energy into a normal vincent is worth saving 400 stamina.

Yes, everyone in the guild can summon. Vincent is pretty easy to kill
so you could go ahead and do it yourself. For the purposes of guild harmony
getting others on board would probably be a good idea.

The Legendary from Alpha V. Is one of the easiest to get. I was
lucky enough to get Vincent's amulet. Three of those would look
nice in my War council.

Best current FP general for War is of course Adrianna. She only needs
to be equipped and does not need to be in your council.

From memory, the FP generals with Att+Def >40 are
Kataan (44)
Solara (42)
Sanna (41)

Not counting any of their gear of course. If you are really interested
in War I would get Adrianna and Kataan. If you are really
keen you could spend the FP on some of Kataan's gear. 24/24 is
as good as many epic chest generals. OTOH, those 50 FP could
go towards a gamble on the Oblivion. Many FP generals have Att+Def>39
so you can fill out your council with generals that are useful to you in
other ways.

chronosaurus
12-08-2010, 03:24 PM
From memory, the FP generals with Att+Def >40 are
Kataan (44)
Solara (42)
Sanna (41)

Add Elora(41) to that list

stevegamer
12-09-2010, 07:14 AM
Thanks for the reply regarding Alpha Vincent vs. Vincent. I am still looking for a few Exsanguinators, but this guide has been very helpful. And I didn't know I could summon a normal Vincent.

evanbio
12-09-2010, 11:27 AM
as am i. however, i keep having minions coming back to life on me. :(

RE: Sanna - So, should she be considered a purchase for those interested in War that don't have any chest generals? Her ability seems pretty useless unless you do a lot of guild battles...

MichaelSeth
12-09-2010, 03:45 PM
as am i. however, i keep having minions coming back to life on me. :(

RE: Sanna - So, should she be considered a purchase for those interested in War that don't have any chest generals? Her ability seems pretty useless unless you do a lot of guild battles...

If you like War but don't participate in guild battles I would avoid Sanna. The
extra 1 in defence is, IMO, not worth the opportunity cost of whatever
else you could buy with the 30 FP. Get Kataan
and Solara. There's lots of Att+Def=40 generals (and Elora with 41) including of
course Adrianna. You might as well buy one that will be useful elsewhere. If you don't
like chests then Keira and Vincent are good targets. Keira, Vincent, Kataan, Solara,
Adrianna and one other is a pretty good council.

soapyINca
12-10-2010, 05:21 AM
Maths question - which one is easier to get for me for defending war? Think these are my next holes :D
Lowest Shield: Deathshield
Lowest Helmet: Volcanic Helm
Lowest Armor: Archangels Battlegear
The next better ones: Shield - heart of pride, helmet - crown of flames, or armor - plate of ages/lion scar plate

Able to reach abt 12k kills, 12mil damage for a chance at legendary. Should i be looking at lion, fire elemental, or red plains?

khanvalescent
12-10-2010, 09:16 AM
Maths question - which one is easier to get for me for defending war? Think these are my next holes :D
Lowest Shield: Deathshield
Lowest Helmet: Volcanic Helm
Lowest Armor: Archangels Battlegear
The next better ones: Shield - heart of pride, helmet - crown of flames, or armor - plate of ages/lion scar plate

Able to reach abt 12k kills, 12mil damage for a chance at legendary. Should i be looking at lion, fire elemental, or red plains?

Red Plains: 33% chance at legendary, 10% chance at Plate of ages.
Lion's rebellion 25% chance at legendary, 20% chance at either legendary item.
Gehenna 20% (not a lot of data) chance at legendary, crown and rune are 15% each (you need both).

I'd probably go with Lion's rebellion and try your best to get your damage above 15000.

soapyINca
12-10-2010, 01:03 PM
Red Plains: 33% chance at legendary, 10% chance at Plate of ages.
Lion's rebellion 25% chance at legendary, 20% chance at either legendary item.
Gehenna 20% (not a lot of data) chance at legendary, crown and rune are 15% each (you need both).

I'd probably go with Lion's rebellion and try your best to get your damage above 15000.

Thanks for your advise. :)
Looks like i need to visit the safari more often :D

evanbio
12-10-2010, 05:16 PM
ok, i can't quite do the suggested damage on an Azriel. what is the next best to try and hunt? I was thinking Vincent or Genesis....possibly Skaar?

khanvalescent
12-10-2010, 06:36 PM
ok, i can't quite do the suggested damage on an Azriel. what is the next best to try and hunt? I was thinking Vincent or Genesis....possibly Skaar?

Without knowing your equipment, vincent is always best. 130 stamina for 2 epics.

pdqjedi
12-11-2010, 03:51 AM
Without knowing your equipment, vincent is always best. 130 stamina for 2 epics.

Actually, if you go in as a fully leveled up Rogue, you can get to the 2 epic threshold with only 80-90 stamina. (Contrary to some earlier reports that I saw, the Rogue damage does count towards Battle Activity in those fights)

Vincent is kind of a daily treat for me. Whenever my guild summons one I jump in for the 2 epic damage. :D

evanbio
12-11-2010, 03:30 PM
Actually, if you go in as a fully leveled up Rogue, you can get to the 2 epic threshold with only 80-90 stamina. (Contrary to some earlier reports that I saw, the Rogue damage does count towards Battle Activity in those fights)

Vincent is kind of a daily treat for me. Whenever my guild summons one I jump in for the 2 epic damage. :D

Thanks, I'll be trying this. We have a small guild, so I may need to invest more to get them complete, but will definately be going this route.

Flatox
12-13-2010, 09:36 AM
Armor
------------------------------------------------------
There is no armor against fate. - James Shirley

Offense
3x Deathrune Hellplate [36.9]
3x Archangel’s Battlegear [35.8]
1x Hellforge Plate/Zealot Robes [33.4]
It looks like you overlooked the Bloodlord Plate in your farming recommendations ie

3x Deathrune Hellplate [36.9]
3x Bloodlord Plate [35.8]
1x Archangel’s Battlegear [35.8]

Great guide!

khanvalescent
12-13-2010, 06:18 PM
It looks like you overlooked the Bloodlord Plate in your farming recommendations ie


Thank you very much for the correction, looks like I had typoed and overvalued the Hellforge Plate's stats.

Fixed!

deathmaker
12-13-2010, 07:19 PM
deathmaker
curently a level 283
626 energy
548 stamina
277 attack
200 def
146 health Lieutenant general/ Lieutenant(war)
I level about once a day. Have yet to farm dragon or serpants for fp.
I have generals Ophelia,Kaiser, scarlett,Adriana,Illusia and darious. I'm aware of a few I need like kataan and the one who converts energy to stamina. I have finished all the easy to obtain acheivements and 3 of the 5 oracles( at least 2/3's done with att and def)
With level 300 coming soon should I worry about "soft gauntlet"???? I know little about it? I have been reading khanvalescents "war guide" and feel like this seems to be the way to go as far as collecting goods to improve my overall "army" stats. but will also like to start (say 50/50) farming for FP to get the other generals since credit cards and I don't get along.
I like to help my guild/friends kill monsters and like to level daily. I guess what im asking is...... Does my builld so far look ok? In the future will I be ok with dumping my SP into attack and stamina evenly?(not energy cause eventually the quests will run out) most importanly should I get to level high general for arch angels(is it worth the upkeep? or collect through monsters) through invading before i reach 300?
thank you for taking the time to read this many replys welcome

khanvalescent your input would be a great value to me! so would MichaelSeth's and the peops convertin over in the 300 club/plvrs anomo

deathmaker
12-13-2010, 07:23 PM
btw im pumping my 5 level SP into 1 stamina and 3 attack daily demigods blessing defense extra SP during level into attack.

MichaelSeth
12-13-2010, 08:31 PM
deathmaker
curently a level 283
626 energy
548 stamina
277 attack
200 def
146 health Lieutenant general/ Lieutenant(war)
I level about once a day. Have yet to farm dragon or serpants for fp.
I have generals Ophelia,Kaiser, scarlett,Adriana,Illusia and darious. I'm aware of a few I need like kataan and the one who converts energy to stamina. I have finished all the easy to obtain acheivements and 3 of the 5 oracles( at least 2/3's done with att and def)
With level 300 coming soon should I worry about "soft gauntlet"???? I know little about it? I have been reading khanvalescents "war guide" and feel like this seems to be the way to go as far as collecting goods to improve my overall "army" stats. but will also like to start (say 50/50) farming for FP to get the other generals since credit cards and I don't get along.
I like to help my guild/friends kill monsters and like to level daily. I guess what im asking is...... Does my builld so far look ok? In the future will I be ok with dumping my SP into attack and stamina evenly?(not energy cause eventually the quests will run out) most importanly should I get to level high general for arch angels(is it worth the upkeep? or collect through monsters) through invading before i reach 300?
thank you for taking the time to read this many replys welcome

khanvalescent your input would be a great value to me! so would MichaelSeth's and the peops convertin over in the 300 club/plvrs anomo

What you should do really depends on what you want to get out of the game.Right now, you
level reasonably fast and can do some serious damage to monsters but you aren't
strong at the PvP aspects of the game. This is a War guide so do you want to do
better at War? Your War rank is pretty low so you probably won't be much of
a target, now or 300+. If you just want to continue hunting monsters and leveling quickly keep
putting SP into stamina with some into attack and def.
Gear won't matter much in that case.

Improving at War will require using this guide but it will still be tough because of your stats. Increasing attack and/or defence enough to be reasonable at level 300 will
be a long effort
(1000 SP?). On the other hand, because your energy and stamina are high you will
level quickly and should be a chance to get a good dose of legendary gear.

khanvalescent
12-13-2010, 11:50 PM
deathmaker
curently a level 283
626 energy
548 stamina
277 attack
200 def
146 health Lieutenant general/ Lieutenant(war)

khanvalescent your input would be a great value to me! so would MichaelSeth's and the peops convertin over in the 300 club/plvrs anomo

Unfortunately, War and FP farming are somewhat mutually exclusive. Skaar, Ragnaarok & Genesis can be good for both, but you will quickly earn all needed loot.

I farmed heavily for gear prior to Arena II and for a a month or so after, and got basically all the epics that I needed to be comfortable with my war council. After that I began farming FP exclusively, with a couple of normal vincents here or there.

Since you level fast and will be in the gauntlet soon, I'd probably shift to farming FP and maxing out stamina before I do anything else. It makes more sense to push your leveling and stats now, and then farm for equipment when you are more efficient at doing so. If you need anything from skaar, genesis, or ragnaarok they can be a nice compromise. Normal Vincent also requires very little stamina (~100) for 2 epics and a good FP chance.

As far as your stats go, I always recommend stamina and attack for everybody. I think your energy is fine for now, but that's kind of dependent on how long you want to take to complete all quests as well as how long you want to not heal monsters. I'd get stamina to 1000 as soon as possible first, however. Attack does help with FP Farming, but it also slows your leveling down. Your battle/war rank are low enough that you shouldn't get chained that often (maybe even less than now?). Even if you do get chained, it doesn't have any significant impact to the game.

Good luck, and if you have any further questions about FP or powerleveling - I'd go to that thread. I'm still an amateur, and my situation is unique.

deathmaker
12-14-2010, 12:26 AM
Thanks Alot,
Funny cause I just summond skaar for the 1st time. All ready have gotten 4 sheilds but only 1 hell plate. I figure killing easier mosters and going for 3-4 epics instead of dumping it all on a megamonster is beter. I will asst all Skaar, Ragnaarok & Genesis that come my way till I can get the swords to make general and have 3 each left over. Then I should have more skills to go after arizel. I also think using the spread sheets for monster mins will make my hunting alot more effective before I would jump around from one world monster to the next helping everyone out but getting little in return. I now have more direction I just wanted to make sure I was stearing in the right direction. Again thanks a lot for ya'lls speedy responses

RobertsonofJohn
12-17-2010, 04:38 PM
Thanks for the guide. It is a great help.

I am wondering about the AoA. It is not listed. Is that because it was not out yet, or is it not worth it? There are several very good items that are epic drops, i.e. purgatory, soulless pendant, and death touch gauntlet. Just wondering.

Thanks again for the work you put into this.

khanvalescent
12-17-2010, 06:24 PM
I am wondering about the AoA. It is not listed. Is that because it was not out yet, or is it not worth it? There are several very good items that are epic drops, i.e. purgatory, soulless pendant, and death touch gauntlet. Just wondering.


The amount of stamina required is ridiculous. A player needs ~800k for a consistent legendary drop. I know slayers who refuse to do it. I know CCers who refuse to do it. As long as an upgrade can be found from another monster, I recommend doing that other monster first.

RobertsonofJohn
12-17-2010, 08:50 PM
Well! I can understand why it was not mentioned. LOL. Glad you let me know though. Will extricate myself from this one, ( one hybrid looks around the pits of hell and says: "What am I doing here?" ), and never look back. Thanks for the info!

tannerjwinn
12-18-2010, 09:58 PM
Is corvinthus gonna effect this list at all?

khanvalescent
12-19-2010, 12:26 AM
Corv will make the list as soon as I see just a hair more more monster loot data. If his drops are similar to azriel, red plains, etc. - I would expect him to be the second best monster to farm (after normal/Alpha Vincent). At this point it looks like he is slightly stingier than Red Plains/Azriel, and slightly more giving than Alpha Meph. I should have a better feeling within the next couple of days.

The Unknown Warrior
12-19-2010, 05:04 PM
For Red Plains what is better tactics or the regular attack?

khanvalescent
12-19-2010, 05:53 PM
For Red Plains what is better tactics or the regular attack?

If your council is good enough to never lose a slot, definitely tactics. I think it does about 10% more damage?

The Unknown Warrior
12-19-2010, 07:09 PM
If your council is good enough to never lose a slot, definitely tactics. I think it does about 10% more damage?

So if I lose say two slots, I want get the 10% bonus?

khanvalescent
12-19-2010, 07:14 PM
So if I lose say two slots, I want get the 10% bonus?

You won't get whatever damage bonus associated with whichever slot you lost.

The 10% I used was just to compare it with normal power attacks, not the bonus %s below each general in the tactics screen.

Probably best to experiment, and see. Maybe the damage is still better even if you lose a slot or two.

The Unknown Warrior
12-19-2010, 07:18 PM
If the team doesn't **** up and let Azriel flee, It would be my first time getting it to 7m damage. Even though I only need 3 Blood Flasks now...

tannerjwinn
12-20-2010, 11:41 AM
I haven't fought any Azriels yet because everyone is always complaining about them dying. It's low on my list.

The Unknown Warrior
12-20-2010, 07:29 PM
FML

You have been awarded 1 Favor Points!
You have been rewarded 1 demi points of Malekus!
You have been awarded with: Energy Potion! [attack: 0 defense: 0]
You have been awarded with: Angelic Blessing! [attack: 0 defense: 2]
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You have been awarded with: Consecration! [attack: 14 defense: 14]
You have been awarded with: Deliverance! [attack: 16 defense: 16]
You have been awarded with: Deliverance! [attack: 16 defense: 16]

ucdPolarBear
12-21-2010, 06:26 AM
khan,

Thanks again for this amazing guide. I have begun noticing many many more defensive War victories, whereas I used to see losses. This is despite not having any epic generals.

chronosaurus
12-21-2010, 11:21 PM
I would like to thank the OP on this great guide. I'm a pre-Gauntlet Monster Hunter, and while I know it wasn't inteded for people like me, it worked out wonders because I don't have enough Stamina yet to farm Legendaries.

I'm a Blackguard right now, and plan to reach Lt. Colonel before the Gauntlet, despite a lousy BSI and only having Keira and Halcyon as shinies.

Thanks a lot, and I really hope this becomes a sticky.

tannerjwinn
12-24-2010, 02:40 PM
Does anyone know if Kaylen's ability works for War?

khanvalescent
12-24-2010, 06:30 PM
Does anyone know if Kaylen's ability works for War?

It should work, but only if she is your equipped general. Generals in your council only use their base stats, and special abilities are ignored.


Also, I'll be updating this for corvintheus, but it probably wont happen for a few days. (I will be spending the next couple of days building "some assembly" required gifts for various family members).

stevegamer
12-25-2010, 06:36 PM
Once again, thanks for this.

I'm thinking that the Moonfall Amulet is a much better target than it seemed previously, due to the following:

1. It's a guaranteed drop. It's the antithesis of a "pain in the ass".
2. It should take no more than a 2-3 weeks to get, if you are praying to Aurora daily, and you get the daily 10, and you have a decent base of demi-points already.
3. Health now has at least one positive use - guild battles, which while not the function of this guide, are fun.

Maybe some of this comes from my pursuing two more HODP, by hitting every frost dragon on my feed, and summoning my own to supplement. Ironically, I got my first one very early, about level 100 or so - and I got everything else through normal game play, except for 1 Dragon Talon through the raid-tagging trick. Been working on them somewhat since reading the guide and realizing how close I thought I was to getting to 3.

deathmaker
12-27-2010, 04:53 AM
You might of answered this before but I think you like to repeat yourself. lol When placing my generals do I put the best 2nd 3rd ect in order from left to right or do I put the best 2 right beside me? My lowest generals on the outsides?
I guess its worth mentioning that using tactics on red plains is a good place to see the details(by clicking the see more details button) of your war-con. shows you where your gear is curently placed.

khanvalescent
12-27-2010, 10:23 AM
When placing my generals do I put the best 2nd 3rd ect in order from left to right or do I put the best 2 right beside me? My lowest generals on the outsides?

It depends on your strategy, your generals, and your gear composition. For the most part, it makes sense to put your best generals in the +3 slots. Some people deviate from this and put their best generals in the +2, or put themself in the +3. Trial and error will determine what works best for you.



I guess its worth mentioning that using tactics on red plains is a good place to see the details(by clicking the see more details button) of your war-con. shows you where your gear is curently placed.

This is correct, but only offensively. When you defend in war, your gear is (most likely) different, and always in different slots than offensively. Don't try to get the "perfect" gear setup, because you can only verify the offensive composition.

Lord Dufduf
12-27-2010, 11:20 AM
Item Weight
------------------------------------------------------
All men may be created equal, but all slots are not.

Total stat points of optimal items:
Weapons: (44*3) + (42.5 *3) + (41*1) = 300.5 (17.0%)
Offhand: (71*1)+(51*3)+(40.8*3) = 346.4 (19.6%)
Helmet: (51*3)+(41.8*3)+(36.4*1) = 314.8 (17.8%)
Armor: (36.9*3)+(35.8*3)+(33.4*1) = 251.5 (14.3%)
Amulet: (35.6*3)+(34*3)+(29.5*1) = 238.3 (13.5%)
Gloves: (18.2*3)+(16.3*3)+(15.8*1)=119.3 (6.7%)
Magic: (29.5*3)+(27.2*3)+(23.8*1) = 193.9 (10.9%)

Great guide!!!!! Read it form beginning to end. As you stated in the beginning does not apply to me directly due to my high stamina, but I think it does. Sure a got a gazzillion items, but I have NOT farmed them systematically and as a result got lots of gaps. 2 Exsanguinators not 3. No Azriel plate (47 Deathrune Hellplate though). Still, I got a lot out of the systematic outline of farming you laid down. Could use a lot more frost bolts, only got the 1. It's good to know once I pick up that elusive Plate of Ages I can come back here and follow your outline to fill in the gaps.


One thing I don't get is this section. I can see the 3,3,1=7 items. But weapons 44*3. 44 what??? And 42.5*3 whats again?? Could you please explain this a little more.

zserg
12-27-2010, 11:29 AM
Great guide!!!!! Read it form beginning to end. As you stated in the beginning does not apply to me directly due to my high stamina, but I think it does. Sure a got a gazzillion items, but I have NOT farmed them systematically and as a result got lots of gaps. 2 Exsanguinators not 3. No Azriel plate (47 Deathrune Hellplate though). Still, I got a lot out of the systematic outline of farming you laid down. Could use a lot more frost bolts, only got the 1. It's good to know once I pick up that elusive Plate of Ages I can come back here and follow your outline to fill in the gaps.


One thing I don't get is this section. I can see the 3,3,1=7 items. But weapons 44*3. 44 what??? And 42.5*3 whats again?? Could you please explain this a little more.

I think that's the easiest farmable best set for weapons on attack values. Like the last one is probably a genesis sword. The first might be one of those gehenna swords(hephaestus sword?) or the VoJ or something like that.
genesis sword:20 att,30 def= 41 attack power.

pdqjedi
12-27-2010, 01:35 PM
Great guide!!!!! Read it form beginning to end. As you stated in the beginning does not apply to me directly due to my high stamina, but I think it does. Sure a got a gazzillion items, but I have NOT farmed them systematically and as a result got lots of gaps. 2 Exsanguinators not 3. No Azriel plate (47 Deathrune Hellplate though). Still, I got a lot out of the systematic outline of farming you laid down. Could use a lot more frost bolts, only got the 1. It's good to know once I pick up that elusive Plate of Ages I can come back here and follow your outline to fill in the gaps.


One thing I don't get is this section. I can see the 3,3,1=7 items. But weapons 44*3. 44 what??? And 42.5*3 whats again?? Could you please explain this a little more.

The 44*3 is the Hellblade, the 42.5*3 is the Virtue of Justice, and the 41*1 (as mentioned right above) is the Genesis sword.

With some of the newer weapons, that list may need some updating by the OP.

Although that list might have merely been placed there to provide some reference with regard to the relative values of items and why some should be pursued before others?

stevegamer
12-27-2010, 04:42 PM
By my math, the weapons should now look like:

47.4 * 3 - Exsanguinator
44.0 * 3 - Hellblade
43.4 * 1 - Hephaestus Sword

Likewise, those last two armor slots is now one big 35.8 * 4 - Bloodlord Plate/Archangel's Battlegear. What's convenient about the armor is that you only need 4 of Bloodlord Plate & Archangel's Battle gear in some combination once you get the 3 Deathrune Hellplates, since they have the same stats.

khanvalescent
12-27-2010, 05:09 PM
Although that list might have merely been placed there to provide some reference with regard to the relative values of items and why some should be pursued before others?

Exactly. That list was just to show the relative value of items to generals, as well as different item slots to each other. It probably should be updated, but Corvinthius needs to be a higher priority at this point.

If anything, item stats grow faster than general stats do (or at least at a more incremental and gradual pace), so it will simply reinforce the notion that gear is the most important factor to worry about.

With Christmas and serpent farming (750+ a month!) I've been a little slow with updating, but I will do so within the next 24 hours.

khanvalescent
12-29-2010, 03:26 AM
Updated to include Corvintheus' stuff. He's the new best monster to farm, and I recommend 6M damage. It appears that he doesn't give away welfare legendary items, so doing enough damage for 3 epics + legendary chance isn't really worth it. His gear drop %s seem very similar to Alpha Meph, but the gear is much better itemized.

So much of Corvintheus' gear is useful that a lot of the older monsters lost a lot of their value, most notably Azriel. Dropped her way down the priority totem pole, and updated most of the other monsters as well.

Edit: Also would like to mention that as time goes by, it will be harder for low stamina players to be the best of the best at war. Stamina freaks will have more opportunity to farm legendary items. Also, there are more and more legendary items. When I originally wrote this guide, there were only a a couple. It was very easy to have 90% of the same gear (in a war council) as a high-stamina player. Now every slot can be filled with a legendary. Eventually war will have two categorical tiers, players who can farm legendaries and players who cannot. The other thing to remember is that pre-gauntlet, a low stamina PVP build has a huge advantage with war. Post-gauntlet, it is a disadvantage.

Now you don't go crazy and add stamina, as it is still very possible to do well at war with low stamina (under 200). It is something to keep in mind, however.

evanbio
12-29-2010, 11:37 AM
i guess it was only a matter of time that the legendaries overtook everything for war. makes sense though. regardless, i still enjoy war and don't even have most of the items on this list. yet i still win most of my attempts, and frequently find war wins in my battle feed. it's a fun part of the game, and reaching for legendaries will just improve the experience. :)

The Unknown Warrior
12-31-2010, 06:11 AM
Kahn, at level 228 is 584 energy and 275 stamina good?

khanvalescent
12-31-2010, 06:27 PM
Kahn, at level 228 is 584 energy and 275 stamina good?

It depends what your goals are. For War, stamina is the best stat, followed distantly by attack.

Energy should always be used for questing and never for monster hunting. It is selfish, but the best of the best in any field tend to be selfish. IMO, energy is only useful for extracting skill points from quests. Once all quests are completed, it is a philanthropy stat for healing monsters or a boring one (spamming the CEFKA quest). How quickly you want to complete all the quests, as well as how many quests you've already completed, shoud determines your maximum energy.

Stamina can crit and is better for monster hunting anyway. I like stamina, and have been pushing to max it for refills. Every player should eventually raise either stamina or energy to the refill limit if they intend on playing this game for more than a year.

Attack is a good stat since it is useful for the +5 slot as well as increased damage against monsters (though not nearly as effective as adding stamina). If you like pvp, it is also fun.

Defense is semi-useful if you attain a high rank post-gauntlet, but honestly there are so many big dogs out there, the best defense is not attaining a high rank.

The Unknown Warrior
01-01-2011, 04:49 AM
How about 1000 energy and 2000 stamina and 400 defense and the rest in Attack?

khanvalescent
01-01-2011, 06:57 AM
How about 1000 energy and 2000 stamina and 400 defense and the rest in Attack?

That's a very longterm goal (~1000 levels). If your ultimate goal is war farming, it sounds pretty good. If I were you, I'd probably add stamina for now and see how that goes. You already have a fair amount of energy, and the faster you level the less max energy you need (if the primary goal is to complete quests).

I like to pvp, so anything past the refill point is a waste for my play-style. I also don't care if I lose, so I'm done with defense (though I do already have well over 1k). Again, you should analyze how you want to play and your personality.

Lord Dufduf
01-01-2011, 10:11 PM
How about 1000 energy and 2000 stamina and 400 defense and the rest in Attack?
Dude your going to need to power level for stats like that, else it will take a few years. Go to the Edit section in my 300 rule for basic outline.

khanvalescent
01-02-2011, 03:15 AM
I'm going to be adding a Best in Slot addendum to the guide (as long as I have enough beer to see me through it) - possibly tonight. I'm not going to include any arena crud, but I will include Celesta's Devotions since they are "farmable" to an extent. I'll be clear in the post that the BIS are simply BIS, but not the most efficient items to farm.

May or may not be unnecessary, but it seems incomplete without it.

I'm also considering modifying the section where I have a BSI recommendation. May include two streams - a powerleveling war build and a pvp war build.

If there's anything else anybody would like added, or removed/corrected, let me know.

Pang
01-02-2011, 04:19 AM
I'm going to be adding a Best in Slot addendum to the guide (as long as I have enough beer to see me through it) - possibly tonight. I'm not going to include any arena crud, but I will include Celesta's Devotions since they are "farmable" to an extent. I'll be clear in the post that the BIS are simply BIS, but not the most efficient items to farm.

May or may not be unnecessary, but it seems incomplete without it.

I'm also considering modifying the section where I have a BSI recommendation. May include two streams - a powerleveling war build and a pvp war build.

If there's anything else anybody would like added, or removed/corrected, let me know.

I love you Khhhhaaaaaaaannnnnnnn! :D

The Unknown Warrior
01-02-2011, 05:15 AM
Dude your going to need to power level for stats like that, else it will take a few years. Go to the Edit section in my 300 rule for basic outline.
How about this? I am close to 600 energy, almost at 300 stamina, and have 200 attack and defense.

Energy 600
Stamina 600
Attack inf
Defense 300

Tremoryeo
01-02-2011, 07:34 AM
Khan,

Are the items in Lions Rebellion useless or you missed them out unintentionally?

khanvalescent
01-02-2011, 08:18 AM
Khan,

Are the items in Lions Rebellion useless or you missed them out unintentionally?

I left it out intentionally because of the bad itemization and rate of return on stamina. IIRC, the amulet was really the only decent piece of (non-legendary loot), and Corvintheus has quickly made that obsolete.

Lord Dufduf
01-02-2011, 01:35 PM
How about this? I am close to 600 energy, almost at 300 stamina, and have 200 attack and defense.

Energy 600
Stamina 600
Attack inf
Defense 300
A man after my own heart. OK that sounded gay, but you get what I mean. :)

Lord Dufduf
01-02-2011, 01:47 PM
I did a Corvintheus and got Glorious Plate. Very high ranking. My invade page and war page. And it drops like crazy, totally easy to get. Not making any big point here just yeah your right Corvintheus did make the other obsolete. I say get 'em before they nerf the drop rate.


Items

Sword of Redemptions x1
Moonfall Amulets x1
Purgatorys x3
Helm of Dragon Powers x2
Volcanic Helms x2
Glorious Plates x1
Deathshields x95
Gladiator Plates x1
Deathrune Hellplates x50


West Rampart(+2 points)

http://image2.castleagegame.com/2189/graphics/hero_kataan.jpg




Kataan
Exsanguinator
Sword of Redemption
Volcanic Helm
Glorious Plate
Moonfall Amulet
Hands of Bounty
Swarm of Darkness

The Unknown Warrior
01-02-2011, 06:51 PM
A man after my own heart. OK that sounded gay, but you get what I mean. :)

I am guessing that's your build?

Matezma
01-03-2011, 02:22 AM
Can we get this puppy stickied?

khanvalescent
01-03-2011, 02:31 AM
Kobo, I don't want it stickied.

Matezma
01-03-2011, 02:44 AM
Fair enough. It is useful info to have though.

castleagemaster
01-03-2011, 02:53 AM
[QUOTE=I don't have any problem with powerlevelers, monster hunters, or CC users (unless the latter pretend that they don't use their CC). I'll try to edit out any portions of the guide that may be construed (accurately or not) as snide or derisive of you folks. Since this guide only applies to a segment of the population, I don't think it should be stickied. As such, please save your rancor and overblown critique for modern art museums and Jerry Bruckheimer films.[/QUOTE]

She no wants the stickies. I just put it in my subscriptions for now.

castleagemaster
01-03-2011, 02:55 AM
Table of Contents
Introduction, Theory, and Strategy (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1519662&postcount=2)
Effective Monster Farming (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1519663&postcount=3)
Optimal Items for Each Slot (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1519665&postcount=4)
PVP (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1519667&postcount=5)
Generals (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1519668&postcount=6)
FAQ (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1519670&postcount=7)

A note to powerlevelers, monster hunters, and CC players:
This guide is not really intended for you guys, because frankly, you don't need it. PVPers and Hybrids can't easily do more than 1 Alpha Monster per week. It is much more important for us to pursue gear efficiently and intelligently. If you can farm legendaries easily, then obviously you should do so. We cannot, and that is why I do not recommend farming them. Most of the damage levels I recommend, however, do include a small % legendary drop. This is why I always recommend 3 epic damage, because usually it will include a very small chance for a legendary.

I don't have any problem with powerlevelers, monster hunters, or CC users (unless the latter pretend that they don't use their CC). I'll try to edit out any portions of the guide that may be construed (accurately or not) as snide or derisive of you folks. Since this guide only applies to a segment of the population, I don't think it should be stickied. As such, please save your rancor and overblown critique for modern art museums and Jerry Bruckheimer films.

Fine, I will just quote it this way forums and double post.....Grar!

Lord Dufduf
01-03-2011, 03:04 AM
I am guessing that's your build?No I'm going for 2000/1000. It is one of the builds I outlined in the 300 rule.

Matezma
01-03-2011, 03:05 AM
She no wants the stickies. I just put it in my subscriptions for now.

Yeah I skipped that part when I read her guide the other day :P The item weights/what to hunt first is excellent. Even for high stam builds or CCers etc. Good idea on the subscription thing though.

ucdPolarBear
01-03-2011, 03:23 AM
Fair enough. It is useful info to have though.

That's why I keep it bumped :)

...I mean continue to make completely relevant posts in this thread :rolleyes:

ucdPolarBear
01-03-2011, 03:25 AM
Yeah I skipped that part when I read her guide the other day :P

Are you talking about the owl? :confused:

The Unknown Warrior
01-03-2011, 03:53 AM
No I'm going for 2000/1000. It is one of the builds I outlined in the 300 rule.

So this one? It does seem better. I'll be able to farm for more sp and fortify a lot more.

Energy 2000
Stamina 1000
Attack inf
Defense 300

Lord Dufduf
01-03-2011, 06:24 AM
Ok Girl, at least I think your a girl judging from the picture. Although your diction is definitely non female. Not too many girls quote ancient warriors in the heading, anyway....How do I know how much activity total I did against Vincent...Count?? At least in GW there is a running total. I have yet to find such for my cousin Vinnie.

One more thing. Add a PL section. Yeah you heard right. I can't make heads or tails out of all the....dodo, I got in my keep. It would be helpful to just have a best of list from top down. I might already have most everything. I just need a quick glance to where I need to fill a hole.


Yeah I skipped that part when I read her guide the other day :P The item weights/what to hunt first is excellent. Even for high stam builds or CCers etc. Good idea on the subscription thing though.Well I am a high e/s and I have this bookmarked. In fact I'm seriously considering it in my signature. Or asking Mursilis (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/member.php?u=421) to include it in the Informational Threads - Try Here First (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showthread.php?t=1050%20/) in the very least.


So this one? It does seem better. I'll be able to farm for more sp and fortify a lot more.

Energy 2000
Stamina 1000
Attack inf
Defense 300Yes that's the one. I'm at 1100/950 now. Soon to be at 1000 stm. I am actually toying with the "Get to 3000 stamina Ideal". My friends think I'm nuts. But look at the trend.

khanvalescent
01-03-2011, 07:53 AM
Ok Girl, at least I think your a girl judging from the picture. Although your diction is definitely non female. Not too many girls quote ancient warriors in the heading, anyway....How do I know how much activity total I did against Vincent...Count?? At least in GW there is a running total. I have yet to find such for my cousin Vinnie.


I am a guy. Vincent has a counter, just look under your picture thing in the guild battle.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/566/vincentdamage.jpg



It would be helpful to just have a best of list from top down. I might already have most everything. I just need a quick glance to where I need to fill a hole.

Will do, will include farmable BIS items for offense and defense.



In fact I'm seriously considering it in my signature. Or asking Mursilis (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/member.php?u=421) to include it in the Informational Threads - Try Here First (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showthread.php?t=1050%20/) in the very least.


I'm glad you like it and always feel good when people say it has helped them, but I'd rather stay off the mods' radar.

Lord Dufduf
01-03-2011, 02:09 PM
Level: 430
Class: Rogue
Health: 1360/1360
Status: Healthy
Battle Damage: 105160

I guess I over shot it. :) Ya know I never saw that (scratches head).

What does BIS stand for. And while we're at it, what does ATM mean.

Thanks in advance for the list inclusion. You were greatly mistaken about PL types not needing your guide. You made it so simple and straight forward it's easier to come here and say well I'm doing a Red Plains how much dmg do I need? Oh 7,500. Click, click, click. As opposed to going to the spread sheet and looking for statistical groupings. You did my homework FOR me. Thanks.

zserg
01-03-2011, 02:15 PM
BIS= Best In Slot

ATM= Automated Teller Machine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_teller_machine)

On the forums it's a thread made by someone to give BPs back to the community generally and interact with people etc etc. You should check a few on the general discussions area, they can be pretty fun :D

Lord Dufduf
01-03-2011, 03:03 PM
Oh I get the ATM reference now. Share the wealth. War needs that. I atm BP. Was at 50,000 now at 45,000 and dropping. Haven't PVPed in months and months.

khanvalescent
01-03-2011, 07:25 PM
Top war items, by slot.

Color codes:
Alpha Vincent
Azriel
Corvintheus
Gehenna
War of the Red Plains
Alpha Mephistopheles
Ragnarok
Lion's Rebellion
Lotus


Weapons
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
3x The Reckoning [59.6]
1x Soulforge [59.5]
3x Celesta's Devotion [52.8]

Defense
1x Soulforge [59.5]
3x Celesta's Devotion [59.4]
3x The Reckoning [46]

Offhand
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
1x Sword of Redemption [71]
3x Purgatory [51]
3x Heart of the Pride [50.8]

Defense
1x Sword of Redemption [71]
3x Heart of the Pride [58]
3x Purgatory [51]

Helms
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
3x Crown of Flames [55.4]
3x Helm of Dragon Power [51]
1x Righteous Helm [49]

Defense
3x Crown of Flames [55.1]
3x Helm of Dragon Power [51]
1x Righteous Helm [49.6]

Armor
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
3x Plate of the Ages [51.5]
3x Lion Scar Plate [45.6]
1x Glorious Plate [41.7]

Defense
3x Plate of the Ages [59]
3x Glorious Plate [45]
1x Lion Scar Plate [41.1]

Amulets
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
3x Transcendence [71.2]
1x Moonfall Amulet[68]
3x Bloodwell Pendant[35.6]


Defense
3x Transcendence [68.2]
1x Moonfall Amulet[68]
3x Bloodwell Pendant[47.6]

Gloves
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
3x Soul Crusher [27.2]
3x Fist of Abaddon [21.8]
1x Death Touch Gauntlet [20.4]

Defense
3x Soul Crusher [27.2]
3x Fist of Abaddon [22.4]
1x Death Touch Gauntlet [20.4]

Magic
------------------------------------------------------
Offense
3x Divine Blast[46]
3x Swarm of Darknesss [31.2]
1x Frost Bolt [29.5]

Defense
3x Divine Blast[42.4]
3x Frost Bolt [33.4]
1x Swarm of Darknesss [30]

Updated. Stupid 10 chars.

Train Heartnet
01-03-2011, 10:47 PM
The developers have been vague on gear affecting generals. According to the twitter account, certain gear affects certain generals - but we don't know which specific gear and which specific generals.

I'd say go ahead and "hope" that gear affects and adjust your council accordingly - in the long run it should end up with all gear affecting all generals.

I have Azriel with the +5 Def for a 28/27. I've faced some opponents and lost the slot with her when loot was equivalent. I'd say if equipment does affect them, it is only for your currently equipped general (and even then I tend to think it doesn't from experience).

Clydinator
01-04-2011, 02:34 AM
Was wondering if Kobo would be a good War Council General for defense as at lvl 4 he is at 0/41 or does his lvl 1 stats take effect being 0/1?

MichaelSeth
01-04-2011, 02:40 AM
Was wondering if Kobo would be a good War Council General for defense as at lvl 4 he is at 0/41 or does his lvl 1 stats take effect being 0/1?

Good point. I use Kobo in my defensive War council. Sometimes I forget to change it and use him on attack. He's not so great (effective attack 28.7
compared to 34 for Scarlett for example) but he does win often which
suggests to me that he's not 0/1 because with those stats he would
never win.

Clydinator
01-04-2011, 02:44 AM
Thank you very much, I am setting up my WC for defensive posture for a wile as I am more into Monster hunting and wish to save my war rank for awile at least.

Matezma
01-04-2011, 02:44 AM
There's nothing mentioned about general levels on the wiki.

Lord Dufduf
01-04-2011, 11:23 AM
Thanks for the update. Very cool.

On a side note I realized I got 2 Dragon Helmets not 3. Doing raid now for Wall of Fire. Forget the gold guy.

johnymnemonic
01-05-2011, 02:04 PM
Top war items, by slot.
(...)

Why there are 0 items from Arena 1/2 in your top war items?

MichaelSeth
01-05-2011, 04:35 PM
Why there are 0 items from Arena 1/2 in your top war items?

Because if you have them you have them and if you don't you aren't getting them.
They do help in War but considering them doesn't help much someone looking
to improve.

The Unknown Warrior
01-08-2011, 04:08 PM
Ok Girl, at least I think your a girl judging from the picture. Although your diction is definitely non female. Not too many girls quote ancient warriors in the heading, anyway....How do I know how much activity total I did against Vincent...Count?? At least in GW there is a running total. I have yet to find such for my cousin Vinnie.

One more thing. Add a PL section. Yeah you heard right. I can't make heads or tails out of all the....dodo, I got in my keep. It would be helpful to just have a best of list from top down. I might already have most everything. I just need a quick glance to where I need to fill a hole.

Well I am a high e/s and I have this bookmarked. In fact I'm seriously considering it in my signature. Or asking Mursilis (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/member.php?u=421) to include it in the Informational Threads - Try Here First (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showthread.php?t=1050%20/) in the very least.

Yes that's the one. I'm at 1100/950 now. Soon to be at 1000 stm. I am actually toying with the "Get to 3000 stamina Ideal". My friends think I'm nuts. But look at the trend.

You would be able to attack fifty time with Barbie. Isn't that a little overkill especially when everything will be put into Attack after Energy and Stamina?

RobertsonofJohn
01-15-2011, 06:03 AM
Khanvalescent - Thanks for this guide. I have been using your suggestions for about two weeks now, and have seen a definite improvement in my war council equipment strength. All with an efficient use of stamina.

Ryofu
01-15-2011, 06:30 AM
So with the addition of Zurran from the new chest, i assume the best general lineup for warcouncil would be as follows?
or would Raziel or any of the other epic generals surplant the demi god generals?
Malekus - Corvintheus - Ambrosia - Player - Aurora - Zurran - Azeron
2 - 3 - 1 - 5 - 1 - 3 - 2

khanvalescent
01-15-2011, 07:37 AM
Um, that sounds right. It will be at least until Arena III is over before I have the motivation to update the general section.

AirPrang
01-15-2011, 08:28 AM
Yup, Zurran moves right up the queue. I did his stats then tested in a raid to make sure as I'm still new to war.

Ryofu
01-15-2011, 08:40 AM
I just got Raziel to lvl 4. he is 29/26 so i guess one of the demi gods gets the boot. Azeron/Malekus?

ss54
01-21-2011, 06:58 AM
What happens if an owl poops on your council?

khanvalescent
01-21-2011, 07:44 AM
+500 attack/defense for next 69 war attempts.

Pang
01-21-2011, 03:17 PM
only 69?I expect to be better...:(

The Arcanamach
01-22-2011, 11:57 PM
Sorry if this question has been asked before. Would Halcyon be a better choice to equip than Adriana?

ss54
01-23-2011, 12:15 AM
I am going to take the plunge and answer this before the OP does. MUAHAHA.

I'd only consider Halcyon when I'm defending.

Do you lose duels a LOT more often without Halcyon? If so, I'd put her up instead of Adrianna. This, in my mind, would be the ideal scenario only IF you are a glass cannon build and yield results I just pointed above.

Otherwise, go with Adrianna. If they are going to smash you in PvP, there's nothing you can do about it.

But all in all, you want that 5 points from the main gate. If you cannot get it, chances of you winning are pretty slim anyway.

khanvalescent
01-23-2011, 12:24 AM
Die chingadongalingnakamura.

I'd probably go with Adrianna all the time. Halcyon would need to up your defense enough to help defend against someone who would normally defeat you. Even then, you are more vulnerable in the other 12 points without Adrianna up. Adrianna also applies to the +5 slot as well, though not as significantly as Halcyon (for most builds).

Back when I was warring a lot, I'd swap Adrianna in and out, and very frequently the results would change from a slot or two. Since I was awesome in every way at the time, usually it just meant 17-0 to 16-1. Now with there being a wider variety and numerical spread in items, perhaps she doesn't sway battles as much, but I'd still use her.

TL;DR - Adrianna.

ajoin007
01-23-2011, 08:26 AM
Hey very awesome guide thx a lot.

i want to contribute to the lootdrop stats, how can i do that.

The Arcanamach
01-23-2011, 12:25 PM
Ah thanks for the reply...currently Halcyon gives me a 300 point boost. I win most duels but I get hammered by higher levels :(

VanDavian
01-23-2011, 01:24 PM
Ah thanks for the reply...currently Halcyon gives me a 300 point boost. I win most duels but I get hammered by higher levels :(

I'm on the same boat, but for people with a high attack, Halcyon is indispensable.

khanvalescent
01-23-2011, 08:47 PM
Hey very awesome guide thx a lot.

i want to contribute to the lootdrop stats, how can i do that.

Tim Nyota runs those spreadsheets, I think you need to have your email address verified in order to contribute. He should be the one you talk to.

zserg
01-24-2011, 03:23 PM
:( sorry to hear that.

Pang
01-25-2011, 12:12 AM
Hooty, many of us still do appreciated your work, don't give up! :(

The Unknown Warrior
01-25-2011, 03:58 AM
How are the mods harassing you?

ajoin007
01-26-2011, 10:53 AM
No don't stop this you're doing a GREAT job here and if the mods are harassing you we'll kick them :-p

The Unknown Warrior
01-27-2011, 08:00 PM
Are you going to do the new monster?

khanvalescent
01-27-2011, 08:25 PM
Might as well. Ignore my previous hissy fit. I've learned how to put the ignore feature to good use :)

Going to be a couple of days, though.

The Unknown Warrior
01-27-2011, 08:27 PM
Might as well. Ignore my previous hissy fit. I've learned how to put the ignore feature to good use :)

Going to be a couple of days, though.

****ing awesome man!

ucdPolarBear
01-28-2011, 04:45 AM
:( sorry to hear that.

Hooty, many of us still do appreciated your work, don't give up! :(
What happened?

This guide is awesome! It got me interested and motivated to actually do war :)

The Arcanamach
01-28-2011, 07:28 AM
Im glad you're sticking around. Your work really is appreciated and Im sorry if the mods are giving you a hard time. Ive read all the posts here and I cant figure out why they would harass you. There arent as many 'advice' threads out there with solid, dependable advice as many might think (there really is alot of bad advice in these threads). This is NOT one of those bad threads. Thank you for continuing to work on it.

pdqjedi
01-28-2011, 02:07 PM
Might as well. Ignore my previous hissy fit. I've learned how to put the ignore feature to good use :)

Going to be a couple of days, though.

Great to hear that you'll still be keeping up the guide. Others have said this, but it does bear repeating. This is an awesome guide. It is well thought out and written and helps immensely those that are starting out in WAR.

(In my case, since I'd already started at WAR, it gave me the direction I needed to get better) :)

evanbio
01-28-2011, 02:19 PM
glad you're continuing as well. i'm only dabbling in WAR at the moment due to my low STA, but this is a tremendous help and something i check in on frequently.

ajoin007
01-29-2011, 08:15 AM
thx for sticking with us!!!!!
thumbs up with this post!!!!!

chronosaurus
01-29-2011, 02:11 PM
Might as well. Ignore my previous hissy fit. I've learned how to put the ignore feature to good use :)

Going to be a couple of days, though.

Glad to hear that :)

estrike
01-29-2011, 03:03 PM
Thank you, this guide is awesome.:D

ss54
02-01-2011, 12:11 AM
I am still waiting for the Valhalla update hooty poopy.

deathmaker
02-01-2011, 05:25 AM
no sticky yet? well since the air elemental is so hard to kill and stingy doubt he will rate it very high cause this is for people who cant get legendarys with ease

khanvalescent
02-01-2011, 07:29 AM
no sticky yet? well since the air elemental is so hard to kill and stingy doubt he will rate it very high cause this is for people who cant get legendarys with ease

I've asked that the guide not be stickied. It attracts less scrutiny that way.

Unfortunately, Valhalla seems like a refill monster, and has the steepest damage requirements of all monsters (excluding AOA?) thus far. I think it is poor design for non-refillers to have 0% chance at legendaries. Red Plains and Azriels seemed to be fairly rewarding, where if a player put all his stamina into it for a week, he'd have a relatively good chance at a legendary (albeit a 60% chance of a silly orc champion). There is no way for most players to hit 30M without refilling, and that is just the entry-level legendary chance. I understand that not everybody can have everything, but the damage requirements are getting silly.

I'm still trying to get a feel for the loot drop rates. It seems to be similar to alpha meph/corvintheus, with better loot than the former and worse loot than the latter. As far as I can tell, it seems like 1 epic consistently drops off 7.5M, 2 off 15M, and 3 off 30M, with legendaries kicking in after 30M but not being consistent until 50M.

These steep requirements are going to put it very low on the priority list, and the itemization isn't the greatest either. The magic shouldn't make anybody's war council. The weapon is only a smidgen better than the much easier to obtain exsanguinator. The offhand shouldn't make anybody's council. The helm is good, but I'd only use 2 in council.

When a monster is released is almost as important as what items it drops. If this guy was implemented 1 or 2 or 3 months ago, it would be much more valuable. Additionally, if it dropped items more similarly to 1st generation alphas (3M/epic, small % legendaries at 10M), that would also make it more valuable.

Anyway, I'll update within a couple of days (hmm, didn't I say that two days ago :P )

pdqjedi
02-01-2011, 02:04 PM
no sticky yet?

While I happen to agree that the guide is "sticky worthy", I was around when that happened. It wasn't pretty. The thread was actually locked for a while as a result of the garbage that was being spewed.

I like the thread much better open, so let's not go back to the sticky, OK? :)

MichaelSeth
02-01-2011, 09:44 PM
As usual, I agree for the most part of Khanvalescent's assessment of
Valhalla WRT WAR drops. Valhalla is very stingy with loot and
while a better option than Alpha Meph, is a worse option than several
others.

The one thing that I disagree with is that the offhand epic should not be in
anybody's war council. The best epic set is SOR, 3*purgatory and 3* the
Corvintheus offhand but Aegis of the Winds seems to be the next
best choice.

Also, the spell is nothing special but could easily fit into the War council of
a number of people.

That says to me that Valhalla has a weapon and a helmet that are very useful,
an offhand that is useful and a spell that is good filler. From Tim's spreadsheet
you have about a 50% chance of the weapon, offhand or helmet per epic.

I'm certainly doing Corvintheus right now because his loot is excellent (and he keeps
giving me Orc Chapmpions :mad: ) but since a Corv I can join is rare
I'm not ignoring Valhalla if I'm not
committed to anything and I see one that I know will last 5 days. In my case, I've tapped
out most monsters and I'm mostly restricted to Alpha Vincent, Corv and Valhalla
for attainable improvements to my War Council.

In the interests of full disclosure, I should note that I've done one Valhalla for 13 mill
and I got two helmets :D

khanvalescent
02-01-2011, 11:00 PM
I'm not going to disagree with you, but will just give my reasoning.



The one thing that I disagree with is that the offhand epic should not be in
anybody's war council. The best epic set is SOR, 3*purgatory and 3* the
Corvintheus offhand but Aegis of the Winds seems to be the next
best choice.


The offhand is good, but it was released at a bad time. Everybody should be farming farming farming corvintheus, and in the meantime most people should have 3 deathshields by now (I have over 100, lollerz!). Deathshield is only a smidgen worse than Vallhala's offhand, and will be a fine placeholder while farming Corvnintheuses.



Also, the spell is nothing special but could easily fit into the War council of
a number of people.


It probably could, but it shouldn't. Excluding Arena magic, everybody should have 3 Swarms of Darkness & Frost Bolts as well as a skullfire or two. The new magic is equivalent to the skullfire, and may make the bottom of a council as a synonymous sidegrade, but isn't really anything special. If the magic could make someone's council, they should be working on other monsters first. Include the arena magics, and it becomes even less valuable.

I don't think the monster is a total waste, mainly because of the helmet, but it seems to be released too late and with too high requirements. That a worthless alchemy Valhalla dust drops 29% of the time even further dilutes the epic pool. I'd be surprised if any nonrefiller ever is able to use them to make the Hand of Valhalla. (7M/epic * 100) /.28 = 2,500,000,000 (2.5 Billion!) damage to gain 100 of them.

Thanks for your comments, and I'm not going to omit Valhalla, but it will be listed fairly low.

MichaelSeth
02-02-2011, 04:41 AM
I'm not going to disagree with you, but will just give my reasoning.

The offhand is good, but it was released at a bad time. Everybody should be farming farming farming corvintheus, and in the meantime most people should have 3 deathshields by now (I have over 100, lollerz!). Deathshield is only a smidgen worse than Vallhala's offhand, and will be a fine placeholder while farming Corvnintheuses.

It probably could, but it shouldn't. Excluding Arena magic, everybody should have 3 Swarms of Darkness & Frost Bolts as well as a skullfire or two. The new magic is equivalent to the skullfire, and may make the bottom of a council as a synonymous sidegrade, but isn't really anything special. If the magic could make someone's council, they should be working on other monsters first. Include the arena magics, and it becomes even less valuable.

Thanks for your comments, and I'm not going to omit Valhalla, but it will be listed fairly low.

Fairy nuff. I guess my impression is coloured by the fact that I can't get frost bolts to save my life and that I'm having trouble finding Corvinthei (?) to get into and when I do, I get Orc Champions and Hellslayer knights. It also took me forever to get 3 Deathshields. I still only have 5 or 6.

If I was level 100 I would do Skaar, Genesis and Rags to start but I might be tempted to do Valhalla before Azriel, Mutts or Alpha Meph (but after Gehenna, (A) Vincent and Corvi). On the other hand, as a level 150-200 getting 13 million to get 2 epics would be very tough.

Part of the charm of WAR is trying to decide who is the best bang for stamina
given the gear on offer and what you have already.

ss54
02-02-2011, 08:04 AM
Perhaps they are trying to make super-awesome people like me add more into stamina?

Which might happen fairly soon, I might add; albeit not like what you did you crazy poopie machine.

ucdPolarBear
02-02-2011, 08:30 AM
Fairy nuff. I guess my impression is coloured by the fact that I can't get frost bolts to save my life and that I'm having trouble finding Corvinthei (?) to get into and when I do, I get Orc Champions and Hellslayer knights. It also took me forever to get 3 Deathshields. I still only have 5 or 6.

If I was level 100 I would do Skaar, Genesis and Rags to start but I might be tempted to do Valhalla before Azriel, Mutts or Alpha Meph (but after Gehenna, (A) Vincent and Corvi). On the other hand, as a level 150-200 getting 13 million to get 2 epics would be very tough.

Part of the charm of WAR is trying to decide who is the best bang for stamina
given the gear on offer and what you have already.

Many of your posts are good and make sense, but I disagree with your sentiment here.

Sean's analysis and recommendation is great, and the order to farm items is the absolute best bang for buck. Valhalla before Azriel or Bahamut? Definitely not. That monster is so stingy with any drops, as opposed to Bahamut that drops very generously.
Skaar, Genesis, and Ragnarok are good for ANY level player and provide many nice war additions :)

khanvalescent
02-10-2011, 07:06 AM
Updated. Valhalla sucks. Should be low on most people's priority list. After some debate I included the weapon, Stormchaser, but it is only a smidgen better than Vincent's Exsanguinator, but costs a lot more stamina. The helm kind of falls into the same category. Personally, I doubt I will ever kill a single Valhalla.

Also, i'm thinking of removing the (awkwardly named) temporary crutch portion of the monster section. My primary motivation for including it was just to give people a burst of war equipment months ago when war was still relatively new, as well as give a secondary analysis of monsters. Due to the age of war, I think such an analysis is now unnecessary. If anybody has any good objections, I'll leave it in, but I would much rather delete it. Let me know in the next couple of days if anybody cares one way or another.

I'm also planning on rearranging the monster priority order. A lot of previously good monsters (Red Plains, Bahumat, Azriel) are much less enticing now due to the poor aging of their respective drops.

I'm still not sure if I should prioritize it based on people who have been farming for a while, or for a totally clean slate. If I go by the former sort, basically every new monster should be the highest priority since they will offer new loot - no matter how poorly itemized or stingy they are (cough valhalla cough). If I sort by just pure monster goodness, that gives a disproportionate ranking to monsters that have been out for a long while but should have been farmed out long ago.

Finally, the general section really needs a complete overhaul - including adding the most recent ones. I've never really been happy with the section, and it will take me a while to figure out a better way of doing it.

VersionsOfViolence
02-10-2011, 07:27 AM
I like the crutch section. It helps me with Invasion stuffs too.

evanbio
02-10-2011, 11:38 AM
first off Khan, I really appreciate all the work you do for this. It's been said many times, but not enough, great job.

personally, i think the guide is especially good for new players or players just learning about war. because of that, i would recommend leaving the monster priority list based on "pure monster goodness".

as for the temporary crutch, perhaps you could tweak it slightly? i'm thinking something along the lines of "filler" items from each monster that could be easily obtained while farming the desirable ones. it could help those just building their equipment lists choose where to start. ie, Genesis may not be the best, but has the most potential filler spots (statement made as an example, not based on looking at the lists currently).

another thought would be to have a "beginning war" section, with priority set on filling the equipment, and an "advanced war" section with priority set on the absolute best in class equipment?

khanvalescent
02-10-2011, 06:44 PM
personally, i think the guide is especially good for new players or players just learning about war. because of that, i would recommend leaving the monster priority list based on "pure monster goodness".

as for the temporary crutch, perhaps you could tweak it slightly? i'm thinking something along the lines of "filler" items from each monster that could be easily obtained while farming the desirable ones. it could help those just building their equipment lists choose where to start. ie, Genesis may not be the best, but has the most potential filler spots (statement made as an example, not based on looking at the lists currently).

another thought would be to have a "beginning war" section, with priority set on filling the equipment, and an "advanced war" section with priority set on the absolute best in class equipment?

Thanks for the comments, Evan.

I'll continue to sort the list by overall monster drops.

I'll leave in temporary crutch, and probably rename it. It does seem to be somewhat outside of the scope of this guide, but if people like it, it will stay.

There are two sections of items, one best in slot, the other most effective in slot. For the effective ones, I do list (my opinion of) the best order they should be farmed in.

Similarly, I have been thinking of list the top 10 items in every slot and then calculating average total damage to obtain them. Best way I know of doing this is just looking at the drop %s per damage done. This would show a lot of why certain items are so awesome (exsanguinator, deathshield).

khanvalescent
02-10-2011, 07:59 PM
Something like this, but it is unreadable without formatting. Anybody know how to tab in these forums? Or am I going to have to post images if I want nice columns?

Name attack power Drop Rate Damage/epic Total damageTotal Stamina Stamina/pt

Divine Blast 46 15% 50M 333,333,333 51,282 stam 1115
Swarm of Darkness 31.2 20% 10K 50,000 1250 stam 40
Frost Bolt29.5 400k 10% 4,000,000 765 stam 25
Skullfire27.2 1.75M 25% 7,000,000 1345 stam 49
Maelstrom 27.2 8.2M 22% 37,000,000 7115 stam 261

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3988/magiclootstamina.jpg

MichaelSeth
02-10-2011, 08:17 PM
Something like this, but it is unreadable without formatting. Anybody know how to tab in these forums? Or am I going to have to post images if I want nice columns?

Name attack power Drop Rate Damage/epic Total damageTotal Stamina Stamina/pt

Divine Blast 46 15% 50M 333,333,333 51,282 stam 1115
Swarm of Darkness 31.2 20% 10K 50,000 1250 stam 40
Frost Bolt29.5 400k 10% 4,000,000 765 stam 25
Skullfire27.2 1.75M 25% 7,000,000 1345 stam 49
Maelstrom 27.2 8.2M 22% 37,000,000 7115 stam 261

I agree with Evan that the most useful point of view is the clean slate.
As you say, for someone who has been working at it a while the first
priority is the new monster. No guide needed for that.

I guess the other point of view to take is the level/monster hunting power of
the person. Someone who is level 100 with a hybrid build with little in the way
of war gear should probably be chasing Skaars, Genesis and Rags to start
while someone who is a stronger monster hunter might want to dive
straight into Corvintheus. You could maybe rank monsters two ways:
value of loot and ease of kill. E.g. Defend the castle (loot: poor difficulty: easy)
Red Plains (loot: good difficulty: average) Corvintheus (loot: awesome difficulty: tough)

I really like the idea of tabulating the cost in stamina of various items. This
really emphasizes where your best bang for your buck is. I don't think that stam/attack
power is so useful simply because the value of an item does not increase
linearly with its attack power. Purgatory at 30/30 is a very useful offhand that is
well worth chasing. The atlantean shield is 7/7 and so has about 1/4 of the attack power.
However, its worth in War is essentially zero so no matter how low the stam/attack power
is for the atlantean shield it's not worth pursuing.

stevegamer
02-15-2011, 06:04 AM
Khan, here is my feedback:

1. I think "temporary crutch" is an excellent name, honestly. It clearly states "this is not a goal item, but something to help you while you get where you want to be." I use this phrase in guild discussions, and I can honestly say I would've never used it unless I saw it here. I understand it's a bit long, though.

2. I really think a clean slate approach is the best, as well. For those of us who've now been following for a while & doing this, we can adjust rankings on the fly. For the guy just getting into War - which I was when I first read this - a clean slate makes things really good. Once can easily tweak the order based on what you already have.

3. I can't thank you enough for this thing. It's a great guide, the best I've seen - it gives you enough help to get moving in a very positive direction, yet doesn't lay everything out there so people can go: "What do I do now? Ah step 73a says ...." You don't lead people by the nose, and there's eventually a point reached where you have do figure things out oneself as to what makes sense for your situation. A very nice balance between helping a lot, and letting people figure things out themselves.

4. I think the stamina cost idea is interesting, but will vary enough that it might be more work for you than the benefit people will see. It would work out that the best items will be the zero stamina items - Moonfall Amulet, Sword of Redemption, etc. And I'd have no idea how to estimate a HODP. I never realized how lucky I was to get one as quickly as I did until I got to this thread - probably had one around level 100 or so.

Rutherford
02-16-2011, 06:11 PM
Something like this, but it is unreadable without formatting. Anybody know how to tab in these forums?


Use the [ code ] tag and be exact in your column spacing is the best I know how. You can automatically generate the right whitespace in a spreadsheet program like this:



= A1 & REPT(" ", 10 - LEN(A1)) & B1 & REPT(" ", 10 - LEN(B1)) & C1 & REPT(" ", 10 - LEN(C1))

richunder
02-17-2011, 05:40 AM
OK...Im confused....I just lost a war 0-17 my generals used Keira, Corvintheus, Karn, Banthus Archfiend, Halcyon and Lotus vs Vanquish, Darius, Lotus, Nautica, Arielle and Araxis. Aren't my generals more powerful overall?

khanvalescent
02-17-2011, 06:40 AM
OK...Im confused....I just lost a war 0-17 my generals used Keira, Corvintheus, Karn, Banthus Archfiend, Halcyon and Lotus vs Vanquish, Darius, Lotus, Nautica, Arielle and Araxis. Aren't my generals more powerful overall?

Yes, your generals are much more powerful - though Keira and Halcyon are much better defensively than offensively (but still probably in the correct slots).

Gear is just as important, if not more, than generals. He must have had better gear?

khanvalescent
02-17-2011, 08:39 AM
Updated to include Staff of Jahanna, and Force of Nature, as well as including the Moonfall Amulet.

Force of Nature will cost a lot of stamina, but Life Force (the 18x component needed to create it) seems to have an overwhelmingly high drop rate (60%) compared to the Staff (10%). By the time one acquires 3 staves, they should have 30 Life Forces. The loot sample size is still small, and random loot is random so your mileage may vary. There's also not enough data to give a reliable damage recommendation, but it looks to be somewhere around 8,000,000 / epic.

Also, I listed Jahanna as dark green thinking that Genesis would be completely removed from the guide, but then realized there is still 1 silly Hand of Bounty I recommend. I'm just going to leave it alone for now and hope a new glove is introduced fairly soon, I don't think it is that confusing in the meanwhile. As a side note, I use more Hands of Bountys in my war council than I do in my invasions. Go figure.

On a self-indulgent-important-congratulatory note, I got The Reckoning to drop on a failed corvintheus gold medal attempt (17.5M damage). These results are not typical, but it does reinforce how sweet Corvintheus can be.

richunder
02-17-2011, 06:11 PM
Yes, your generals are much more powerful - though Keira and Halcyon are much better defensively than offensively (but still probably in the correct slots).

Gear is just as important, if not more, than generals. He must have had better gear?

Damn...guess I need to start hunting for gear. Up till now I have had no strategy as to what monsters I fight just been going with the flow.

richunder
02-27-2011, 05:25 PM
OK...guys...maybe the experts can help me out here. For my War council...is this a good setup for offensive campaigns?

Corvi
Azeron
Banthus
Lotus
Halcyon
Keira

Defensive:
Corvi
Azeron
Halcyon
Banthus
Keira
Lotus

If so what are the best slots for each?

List of other generals I own in case one of these is better suited:
Jada
Hyacinth
Karn the Minotaur
Delfina Cloudslayer
Phaethor
Maalvus
Marina
Barbarus
Illusia
Severin
Miri Bladebourne
Calista
Tristram
Leon Ironhart
Solara
Scourge
Sanna
Suri
Noktar
Vulcan
Ophelia
Serra Silverlight
Stone Guardian
Tifanna
Artanis

Also, is there a monster or campaign I should concentrate on for weapon drops to increase my chances of winning? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

avsquare
02-28-2011, 05:57 AM
can be updated, since Agamemnon has been released. Aegis of Kings, Mask of Agamemnon and King's Blade are some of the best offensive and defensive items now for war ;)

khanvalescent
02-28-2011, 06:07 AM
I'll update the Best In Slot section soon, but until I see a reasonable amount of statistics on drop rates/damage thresholds, I'll be leaving the recommended gear/monster order alone.

EDIT: Also, can anybody tell me at what rank war is active post-gauntlet? I've been over rank 10 for a couple of weeks, and haven't seen much of a bump. I presume my epic generals and low losses (something I've been working on) scare away a lot of customers. Is rank 13 the new active minimum?

pdqjedi
02-28-2011, 02:13 PM
I'm in the Gauntlet and at Rank 10 in War (Made sure I got there before hitting 300) and I get at least one war chain down each day on average. Usually from someone 400+ levels above me.

I also get a few random bounces.

I shudder to think of how badly pounded I'd get in WAR if I ranked up to 13 too soon.

OrochiJos
02-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Updated to include Staff of Jahanna, and Force of Nature, as well as including the Moonfall Amulet.

Force of Nature will cost a lot of stamina, but Life Force (the 18x component needed to create it) seems to have an overwhelmingly high drop rate (60%) compared to the Staff (10%). By the time one acquires 3 staves, they should have 30 Life Forces. The loot sample size is still small, and random loot is random so your mileage may vary. There's also not enough data to give a reliable damage recommendation, but it looks to be somewhere around 8,000,000 / epic.

Also, I listed Jahanna as dark green thinking that Genesis would be completely removed from the guide, but then realized there is still 1 silly Hand of Bounty I recommend. I'm just going to leave it alone for now and hope a new glove is introduced fairly soon, I don't think it is that confusing in the meanwhile. As a side note, I use more Hands of Bountys in my war council than I do in my invasions. Go figure.

On a self-indulgent-important-congratulatory note, I got The Reckoning to drop on a failed corvintheus gold medal attempt (17.5M damage). These results are not typical, but it does reinforce how sweet Corvintheus can be.

maybe it's my luck, but i already have 6 staves and only 9 life forces from jah :(

now that agamenon is out, u CAN remove genesis from the guide.

and grats on the reckoning, wierdly enough i got mine from 18-25mil dmg, most of my 30-40m loot ended up with stupid crystals or flame invokers... kinda pointless when u do enough dmg to get a almost guarenteed legendary drop but it's a useless one.

deathmaker
03-05-2011, 03:53 AM
OrochiJos this guide is for people that cant do {"Josh landed a CRITICAL HIT on Jahanna, Priestess of Aurora hitting them for an UNGODLY amount of Damage[14,298,896]! Jahanna, Priestess of Aurora dealt 3 damage."

OrochiJos
03-05-2011, 05:01 AM
i know, but considering aga n jah both drop epics at around 8mil mark, it should be doable even for those without huge stamina pools.

chanale
03-05-2011, 06:23 PM
Any idea why I'm only allowed a maximum of 1 of each type of magic even though I own multiples of all but heroic inspiration?

skullfire 16/16
maelstrom 7/8
swarm of darkness 20/16
necronic blast 18/18
arcane vortex 15/15
frost bolt 12/25
heroic inspiration 25/20