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igtenos
06-14-2010, 04:23 AM
Continued from the 300 rule thread and technically Hera's Journey.

This thread is about discussing power leveling strategies and FP farming techniques. If you have a negative opinion of this type of gameplay, kindly keep it to yourself.


Haha yeah pretty much. Maybe we should create a different thread to talk about power-leveling. :rolleyes:

So yeah. New thread.

x3froggi
06-14-2010, 06:38 AM
Energy is the way to go :D Use energy -> Quest -> Get more skill points -> Put into energy -> Do more quest -> Get more skill points -> Put into energy -> Do even more quest -> Get even more skill points -> Reach level 300 in 1 month or so :D

Dave O
06-14-2010, 08:14 AM
I do not know if it is possible to change the title of a thread -- but I think a more appropriate title would be "Power Leveling and Favor Point Farming" as it is those two things together that seem to make a "winner".

EpiQC
06-14-2010, 11:33 AM
To minimize nerfing, I suggest we stop talking about power leveling here.

boboqiao
06-14-2010, 11:42 AM
I have tried your way EpicQ...leveling wise, it's like 2-3 times a day, sometimes if you're lucky 4...but the issue is having so much energy and so little things to do with it, it's kinda boring @___@

The same way for pure stamina power levelers, with energy at (depending on your logins)..leveling rates are about 3-4 times a days...sometimes 2 if you're unlucky..and it's more useful for many stuffs..but you will have to deal with the oddity of change of plans due to the output of exp from monsters sometimes ( i got 1.3k exp from Azzy quite often..reduced my leveling hours by about 8-10hrs)

In the end, it's really personal preference since both methods are about the same leveling speed in the long run (stamina ppl would go back to adding energy, energy dudes will go back to stamina too)...and btw, when you mean refills, you do mean oracle refills? Oracle only refills 2k Energy iirc.

EpiQC
06-14-2010, 11:50 AM
To minimize nerfing, I suggest we stop talking about power leveling here.

boboqiao
06-14-2010, 12:21 PM
? I leveled around 20+ times in two days using this method, and only 20-30 FPs. I raised my defense by 100+ points in those two days. And I'm not using a CC. Please don't come here to say power leveling is boring. This is a power leveling thread. We discuss strategies. Energy-based power leveling is way faster. Look at Sophia: level 280 in like 8 months. I'm level 334 after not even 4 months. Some who started after me are even higher (Dr. Devious). I'm not adding more than 150 stamina, I'm putting everything into defense until 1.5k at least. Then maybe back to energy.

assuming ur rate of leveling and your time in C.A..i supposed you're around the region of level 700+? Why only 334? o_O

Rutherford
06-14-2010, 12:54 PM
lvl 334 with 2,000 energy. That's about 6 stat points per level?

Lord Dufduf
06-14-2010, 02:42 PM
Continued from the 300 rule thread
So yeah. New thread.

How dare you steal my thunder !!!! lol


How to get the most out of your FPs:

Get 100-150 stamina (enough for 20-30 PAs vs dragons), rest into energy.
Level up as much as possible beforehand, using up all energy potions.
On a fresh level, don't spend any stamina (you don't get SPs).
Start farming the energy potion quest, with Titania equipped.
Once you have 40 energy potions (the current cap), go back to completing those quests with the worst exp/energy. Refill once (10 FPs).
Stop questing just before you level up, preferably with 1 exp remaining.
Join a blue bar monster, and do a 100 energy fortify with Orc King or Barbarus equipped to gain a big headstart over the next level.
Farm dragons and the 35/20 quest. Then, repeat steps #6 and #7, until you can't level up from just your energy (and stamina).
Drink a few energy potions, repeat the 35/20 quest until you level up. Repeat steps #8 and #9 upon level up.
Once you run out of energy potions, repeat steps #3 to #5.
If you have to go to bed or work, go back to completing quests. Don't overspend your energy, so that you can either complete enough quests to level up, or farm the 35/20 quest as needed the next time you play.
Oh, and the cap for energy refills isn't at 2000. Tested personally.

Great stuff. This is what we need. A step by step plan showing the next generation what to do. kudos

One quick thing. Where and the names of the energy pod dropping quests.

x3froggi
06-14-2010, 02:48 PM
You can use titania on level 1 demi quest? I'm not really sure about this. I'm not a power leveller, but i've always liked the idea of leveling up 5 times a day or something :D I've currently 301 energy(accidently added 1 more, but it's good :D) and 187 stamina, aiming for 200. Not sure if it's a decent amount but i'm a monster hunter :D.

Well power levellers might want to beable to earn back their FP spent, so more stamina might help.

igtenos
06-14-2010, 05:26 PM
I do not know if it is possible to change the title of a thread -- but I think a more appropriate title would be "Power Leveling and Favor Point Farming" as it is those two things together that seem to make a "winner".

Argh. I tried and it won't let me change the title of the topic itself. :(



Join a blue bar monster, and do a 100 energy fortify with Orc King or Barbarus equipped to gain a big headstart over the next level.
Question: How much energy do you need to get the 100 energy button? I have 33x energy and 200 stamina on FB and the best I get are 20 stam / 40 energy. I'm not sure if MSCA has higher domination buttons yet.

Simoom
06-14-2010, 07:17 PM
As painful as it it is... I recommend that you do not use the larger stamina/energy buttons.... the experience gain is just way too random.

I recently did a 50 point stamina attack and received... wait for it... 51 exp!!

Ugh.

The only time I use those larger buttons now is if I have no choice due to the next level coming soonish.

Amanojaku
06-14-2010, 07:34 PM
As painful as it it is... I recommend that you do not use the larger stamina/energy buttons.... the experience gain is just way too random.

I recently did a 50 point stamina attack and received... wait for it... 51 exp!!

Ugh.

The only time I use those larger buttons now is if I have no choice due to the next level coming soonish.

did a 100pt Heal on Az and recieved 64 exp FTL! I've recieved under 30 for a 50ST attack. it is not a 1/1+ possible ratio sadly

Patrick D
06-14-2010, 07:47 PM
? I leveled around 20+ times in two days using this method, and only 20-30 FPs. I raised my defense by 100+ points in those two days. And I'm not using a CC. Please don't come here to say power leveling is boring. This is a power leveling thread. We discuss strategies. Energy-based power leveling is way faster. Look at Sophia: level 280 in like 8 months. I'm level 334 after not even 4 months. Some who started after me are even higher (Dr. Devious). I'm not adding more than 150 stamina, I'm putting everything into defense until 1.5k at least. Then maybe back to energy.

Sophia hasn't been playing much the past couple weeks/months. I have a stamina build and am now level 381 after 3,5 months of playing, and went from 200 attack to over 700 now in less than two weeks time. So I wouldn't say energy-based power leveling is much faster.

RAUKO
06-14-2010, 08:55 PM
Sophia hasn't been playing much the past couple weeks/months. I have a stamina build and am now level 381 after 3,5 months of playing, and went from 200 attack to over 700 now in less than two weeks time. So I wouldn't say energy-based power leveling is much faster.

I don't perceive myself as a power leveler, but I am very close. I level 3 times a day now. Once from regeneration of S/E, and twice on stamina refills. I can play continually by farming Dragons and Serpents.

What I would like to point out here is:

I think one should try to maintain flexibility of one's build, certain balance, if You will. Potential to adapt to changes that may come. We saw what happened to hard core PvP builds.

I obey stamina as well as energy and back them both with a/d.

Stamina refill cap, handicaps pure stamina builds heavily, so I am on a crossroads now - to pump stamina to max allowed to refill or go just energy from now on. Hmm...

EpiQC
06-14-2010, 09:00 PM
assuming ur rate of leveling and your time in C.A..i supposed you're around the region of level 700+? Why only 334? o_O
I started CA after I joined the forums. March 5th to be exact. I'm not level 700 for a couple reasons. First, I took a 1ス month break between march and april. Second, I can't play as much during the week, so only 2 levels per weekday. Third, it takes some time to build a character. You can't farm the 35/20 quest at level 1, and you can't gather 40 energy potions easily until you have something like 800 energy. Finally, I was stingy with my favor points at first. I thought saving them for when I have 2000 energy would be a better idea. I learned it wasn't.


lvl 334 with 2,000 energy. That's about 6 stat points per level?
7.5. I have other stats.


You can use titania on level 1 demi quest? I'm not really sure about this. I'm not a power leveller, but i've always liked the idea of leveling up 5 times a day or something :D I've currently 301 energy(accidently added 1 more, but it's good :D) and 187 stamina, aiming for 200. Not sure if it's a decent amount but i'm a monster hunter :D.

Well power levellers might want to beable to earn back their FP spent, so more stamina might help.
Yes you can equip any general for any quest. You just don't gain any influence if you have the wrong general equipped.

You can farm FPs with energy too.


Question: How much energy do you need to get the 100 energy button? I have 33x energy and 200 stamina on FB and the best I get are 20 stam / 40 energy. I'm not sure if MSCA has higher domination buttons yet.
It's based on stamina. I only have access to the 20 energy fortify.. I had to do a search on the forums for the direct button link.


Sophia hasn't been playing much the past couple weeks/months. I have a stamina build and am now level 381 after 3,5 months of playing, and went from 200 attack to over 700 now in less than two weeks time. So I wouldn't say energy-based power leveling is much faster.
Then she did it wrong. Do you have more than 130 energy? If so, then it just proves my point. More energy = quicker. Congrats though, you were really efficient with your time.

Patrick D
06-14-2010, 09:08 PM
Then she did it wrong. Do you have more than 130 energy? If so, then it just proves my point. More energy = quicker. Congrats though, you were really efficient with your time.

More energy is just quicker in the beginning, later on it doesn't make much difference anymore really.

EpiQC
06-14-2010, 09:16 PM
More energy is just quicker in the beginning, later on it doesn't make much difference anymore really.
Ok. Well the reason why I didn't go for stamina higher than 120 is that I wanted to concentrate on only 1 stat for refills. A 500/1000 build is a lot of wasted SPs, since after you're done with quests, you'll never refill energy again.

ODragon
06-14-2010, 09:31 PM
One thing I am seeing missing here in the way I am doing it is there is nothing mentioned about getting your army up to 501.

I'm playing a power-leveler on MS and just hit over 1000 energy at level 147. This is more than 8 SP per level. The 501 allows me to move up in the battle rank, getting extra SPs. So far, I've gotten 25 moving up the Legionnaire. Additionally, doing this give you a bonus 5 defense SP.

It might also be worth mentioning something about trying for your 5 attack SP from duels early on when everyone is pretty much equal. It might slow it down ever so slightly but whatever you can grab then will help slightly.

This thread (http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showthread.php?t=31141) might also be worth linking to so you know in which order to do quests to maximize the speed at which you get your SPs.

RAUKO
06-14-2010, 09:39 PM
It might also be worth mentioning something about trying for your 5 attack SP from duels early on when everyone is pretty much equal. It might slow it down ever so slightly but whatever you can grab then will help slightly.


I did that on MS, bought Lyra first, but it doesn't last long. Pretty soon I dropped dueling... well, dropped MS altogether.

cosmicfriend
06-15-2010, 09:00 AM
did a 100pt Heal on Az and recieved 64 exp FTL! I've recieved under 30 for a 50ST attack. it is not a 1/1+ possible ratio sadly


As painful as it it is... I recommend that you do not use the larger stamina/energy buttons.... the experience gain is just way too random.

I recently did a 50 point stamina attack and received... wait for it... 51 exp!!

Ugh.

The only time I use those larger buttons now is if I have no choice due to the next level coming soonish.

it's a halo/horns effect... people tend to forget that with the big buttons you can get:
a) HUGE crits
b) HUGE exp (and double huge EXP)

i hit a Cronus (who is notorious for low exp with barbarus and got 199exp from a 60sta blow.... and it wasn't doble exp....


OT:
i find power lvling the ''long term'' way of playing... all this pvp i ok for people under lvl 300. and yes, they still might be able to kill power lvlers who are 200 lvls over them...
as time will go by powelvlers will be the strongest characters in the game...
some
power lvlers level at 10x the rate of pvpers... so with BSI of 10, the pvper still gets 40 SP less then powerlvler in the same time span...

p.s. i'm by no means a power lvler, but I like the idea... if i were to start an alt, it would be a power lvler

cyanidejesus
06-15-2010, 10:55 PM
I understand the concept, I'm sitting on about 60 FPs without having done any form of dragon farming, here are my current stats

Level - 137
Energy - 292
Stam - 124
Attack - 285
Defense - 264

Is there any way to save this and make myself into a stronger leveler that is salvagable at this point? Or have I simply put wasted too much time? And if so, is what everyone seems to be saying is to spam up which stat at this point to speed this up and make myself stronger in the end by growing this method?

EpiQC
06-15-2010, 11:17 PM
I understand the concept, I'm sitting on about 60 FPs without having done any form of dragon farming, here are my current stats

Level - 137
Energy - 292
Stam - 124
Attack - 285
Defense - 264

Is there any way to save this and make myself into a stronger leveler that is salvagable at this point? Or have I simply put wasted too much time? And if so, is what everyone seems to be saying is to spam up which stat at this point to speed this up and make myself stronger in the end by growing this method?
Yeah it's too late to be a true power leveler without having to resort to using a credit card. I'd get your energy and stamina to at least 300, so you can quest and farm dragons more effectively. 300 stamina is 3x 20 PAs or 2x 30 PAs, which are good amount of PAs to aim for. After that, you can continue to raise your stamina to farm more dragons, or raise your attack and defense to ~400 each so you can start farming sea serpents. Try amethysts first, 20 PAs/Fort each, you'll get something like 400k which is good for demi slots. The thing is if you want to profit from your already relatively high attack, you'll want to farm sea serpents, since dragons are stamina based. So you won't be able to get the most exp out of your stamina, since dragons give the best exp. So more exp, or more FPs. You decide.

Or you can continue being a hybrid if that's what you like.

cyanidejesus
06-16-2010, 12:04 AM
Thanks for the insight EpiQC, I'll start to slowly raise my energy and stamina to 300 so that I can start working over those dragons. You had mentioned earlier in the guide/method plotting that the dragons give out the best experience/effort ratio. So I'll start to work towards that, in the meantime more monster hunts and slow xp grinding ^.^ Thanks for the help

shadz
06-16-2010, 11:29 AM
mind to ask which is the quest which gives you energy potion?

EpiQC
06-16-2010, 11:32 AM
mind to ask which is the quest which gives you energy potion?
The Return of the Dragon (Malekus' #1 demi quest), A Forest in Peril (Aurora's #1 demi quest) and Marauders! (Azeron's #1 demi quest).

KacanuHa
06-16-2010, 11:45 AM
Farm dragons and the 35/20 quest. Then, repeat steps #6 and #7, until you can't level up from just your energy (and stamina).


Which is this 35/20 quest? Which land is this?

EpiQC
06-16-2010, 11:48 AM
Which is this 35/20 quest? Which land is this?
Duel Cefka's Knight Champion, Land of Water, last subquest.

W.G.V
06-17-2010, 03:43 AM
Duel Cefka's Knight Champion, Land of Water, last subquest.

huh I must keep that in mind but I am currently sitting on 901 energy and trying to hit level 4 completion on EVERY quests for the SPs (currently in demon realm) I am trying to hit 400 attack, 200 defense, 300 stamina, 1000 energy in that order and then after 1000 energy I will be attempting 1000 attack, then 1000 defense, then 1000 stamina. Then for the rest of the game I will dump everything into energy

Gunther89
06-17-2010, 06:00 AM
well this keeps us from reviving The 300 rule......
I wish we had put this together sooner :P i would have went almost straight energy. instead of what i have currently
1000 Energy
371 Stamina

Theogony_IX
06-17-2010, 06:00 PM
I've got two builds going. One is pretty old and definitely not a power leveler. The other is still fresh. Can you guys give me some tips as to where to go with them to maximize my leveling speed.

LVL - 258
Energy - 257
Stamina - 451
Attack - 900
Defense - 71
FP - 5


LVL - 53
Energy - 115
Stamina - 101
Attack - 100
Defense - 1
FP - 3

I appreciate any help.

ODragon
06-17-2010, 06:31 PM
I've got two builds going. One is pretty old and definitely not a power leveler. The other is still fresh. Can you guys give me some tips as to where to go with them to maximize my leveling speed.

LVL - 53
Energy - 115
Stamina - 101
Attack - 100
Defense - 1
FP - 3


Fight only dragons and only do the Duel Cefka's knights. When you level up, make sure Terra is equipped. Only put stats in Energy. It is going to take you longer than most to be speedy because of the points in attack.

Lord Dufduf
06-17-2010, 07:16 PM
I've got two builds going. One is pretty old and definitely not a power leveler. The other is still fresh. Can you guys give me some tips as to where to go with them to maximize my leveling speed.

LVL - 258
Energy - 257
Stamina - 451
Attack - 900
Defense - 71
FP - 5

Your question asked to maximize leveling speed. Only energy/stamina can do that. So I can ignore att/def completely. The above is obviously you. The below is your alt. I would guess.

Does your main leveling power come from energy or stamina. You decide. Here I can see stamina is the choice. Stamina is fare enough for now. Bring your energy up to 500 or so. Do 35/20 quest with it. Before you level try for energy potions.



LVL - 53
Energy - 115
Stamina - 101
Attack - 100
Defense - 1
FP - 3

I appreciate any help.

There are lots of SPs out there for you to have from undone quest. Get energy up to at least 300 (I read that somewhere). That's at least, key phrase. Then stamina to around 300. (Read that somewhere too as well) :D

You should consider a power leveler with energy or power leveler from stamina. Or a mixture of both. You can only refill one. But it can hurts your experience points and your options if you are only one or the other. So most will have 200 stamina 1000 energy or 400 energy 700 stamina, some thing like that. One is favored but you do want some ability in both fields.

Energy first. It's the fuel for completing quest for SPs. These SPs can then fuel the harder stamina run.

Theogony_IX
06-17-2010, 08:40 PM
Thanks guys. I've got my game plan.

Another question for the energy build. I do the energy potion quest, and manage to stockpile 40 energy potions. Only after I stock pile that many do I start the 35/20 quest using the stock pile to push me over into my next level? Do i use the oracle refill only when I'm out of potions and need to farm more? I'm also guessing that with each new level I want to unload my stamina on a new dragon, and that without barbarus or orc king, I can use the lotus quest to over jump into my next level.

EpiQC
06-17-2010, 08:57 PM
Thanks guys. I've got my game plan.

Another question for the energy build. I do the energy potion quest, and manage to stockpile 40 energy potions. Only after I stock pile that many do I start the 35/20 quest using the stock pile to push me over into my next level? Do i use the oracle refill only when I'm out of potions and need to farm more? I'm also guessing that with each new level I want to unload my stamina on a new dragon, and that without barbarus or orc king, I can use the lotus quest to over jump into my next level.

After you collect 40 energy potions, do not do the 35/20 quest (on the same level). You're going to need a refill to level up anyway, so if you farm the 35/20 quest, you're wasting extra energy. If you don't refill, you're going to have to wait for so long that the potion farming wouldn't be worth it. Complete as many quests as you can, and burn your energy on the most expensive stuff you can just before leveling. So that means either a big quest, or a big fortify.

Use oracle refills after a fresh level where all you did was to farm 40 energy potions. Don't spend your stamina either. Your goal is to gather as many SPs as possible, so spend as much energy as possible. If you spend your stamina, you're going to waste a lot of that energy. Oh, but if you can farm 10 FPs per refill, then refill at will. ;)

Spend your stamina on any level you're not farming energy potions, and do it before you spend your energy. That way you can gauge how much energy you need to spend on the 35/20 quest, and how much you can save for other quests.

ODragon
06-17-2010, 09:31 PM
Great Advice Removed
Also, after you've filled up, odds are you will have a glut of energy. Get yourself up to 1 exp needed to level and then do the last quest of the undead realm, Undead Embrace. This will let you start 139 experience ahead. (Once you get a lot more stamina, a good Barbarus/OrcKing 3x/5x stamina attack is a better option).

EpiQC
06-17-2010, 09:34 PM
Or if you have a lot of energy, do a 100 energy fortify with the Orc King. 500+ exp. :)

ODragon
06-17-2010, 09:57 PM
Or if you have a lot of energy, do a 100 energy fortify with the Orc King. 500+ exp. :)
Without him or Barbarus though, you might be better off not doing a 100 energy fortify or are you getting consistent great experience points? I've never done that big a fortify. My FB character with OK doesn't have that much energy and my MS character with Barbarus doesn't have the option to do anything above a 20 energy fortify.

EpiQC
06-17-2010, 10:09 PM
Without him or Barbarus though, you might be better off not doing a 100 energy fortify or are you getting consistent great experience points? I've never done that big a fortify. My FB character with OK doesn't have that much energy and my MS character with Barbarus doesn't have the option to do anything above a 20 energy fortify.
I don't have that option either. You need a big stamina to unlock the big fortifications.. go figure. But you can always enter it manually. Consistent? I don't know, I've only done it a few times. But I always got more than 140 exp, obviously.. somewhere in the 500 range.

Draconus
06-18-2010, 04:37 AM
As painful as it it is... I recommend that you do not use the larger stamina/energy buttons.... the experience gain is just way too random.

I recently did a 50 point stamina attack and received... wait for it... 51 exp!!

Ugh.

The only time I use those larger buttons now is if I have no choice due to the next level coming soonish.

Lately, even on Dragon Battles, I've seen XP gain for stamina use fall below 1 XP per 1 Stamina point (normal power attack netting 4 XP). It's not so common on Dragons, but it happens. Where those oversize attack buttons help is like as you stated when you are very close to leveling. And of course when you land a Critical Hit it becomes that much more critical. And an additional XP hit gains that much more also.

I don't power level, I really don't understand the allure of doing so. But power levelers have their place and uses in CA just as we slower leveling PvP'ers do.

EpiQC
06-18-2010, 04:49 AM
By power leveling, you trade a high BSI for a faster leveling speed. Then you compensate by farming FPs and increase your other stats as you level up, so that you have a high attack/defense relative to the CA population, but not to your level. At least that's how I see it.

x3froggi
06-18-2010, 08:07 AM
Question to EpicQ (or anyone else who wants to answer): Since I'm already pretty heavily invested in a high BMI build and am interested in converting to power leveling build, should I just dump everything into stam then? I suppose I have the attack bonus from 900 atk, may as well use it.

BSI. Not BMI. If you dump everything into stamina, you can be a monster hunter. I suggest adding to 300 energy and stamina, then see where you go. If you want to stick with monster hunting(good cause of your high attack), add more stamina, if you want to power level. add lots of energy, then once you max out energy, add defence.

Ahmulag Ra
06-18-2010, 09:02 AM
I went for a powerleveller on MS. If I were to do it all over again and had a reason for aiming to level as quickly as possible, I would ignore everything else except energy until minimum 2000 energy. We did a direct comparison between an all energy build and a build that opted for stam first and the energy build flew off and would have carried on flying off had I stayed with pumping energy.

However, I'd never do it again as I find it as much fun as watching very wet paint dry.

Patrick D
06-18-2010, 10:22 AM
I went for a powerleveller on MS. If I were to do it all over again and had a reason for aiming to level as quickly as possible, I would ignore everything else except energy until minimum 2000 energy. We did a direct comparison between an all energy build and a build that opted for stam first and the energy build flew off and would have carried on flying off had I stayed with pumping energy.

The stamina build will be able catch up later, he just has a slower start. However, it is always a good idea to boost energy first to a decent number even if you are aiming for a stamina build. You want those quest SP as soon as possible.

Ahmulag Ra
06-18-2010, 10:55 AM
The stamina build will be able catch up later, he just has a slower start. However, it is always a good idea to boost energy first to a decent number even if you are aiming for a stamina build. You want those quest SP as soon as possible.

Not from our experience - if anything, I was pulling further away until I started investing in stamina.

Dave O
06-18-2010, 11:26 AM
Not from our experience - if anything, I was pulling further away until I started investing in stamina.

Yes, this is quite true. But, there were a couple of factors at play here.

1. I had opted to raise both Energy and Stamina to 120 to take advantage of regeneration for both. Ahmulag had gone straight Energy. So, from the very first few levels, he had a larger Energy pool to draw from and therefore was completing quests faster. I on the other hand was beginning to fight monsters (dragons in particular) with my Stamina.

2. And, perhaps more importantly, Ahmulag had made a 'bee line' for the 35/20 sub-quest (Duel Cefka's Knight Champion from the Land of Water) and then was using that quest to power level nearly as fast as he could click. I had opted to do each quest and sub-quest to its level four completion as I wanted to collect the skill points from the quests; thus I was never really able to 'power level' until very late in the 'game' (~L200) when I had done it to "do it" (and was in a rush to get to 2000+ Energy).

So, from a purely 'Power Leveling' perspective, I agree 100% that Energy is the fastest way to the top. And as long as they dedicate their time to Energy, I'm not sure that anyone will really be able to catch-up.

Perhaps, if the Pure Energy Player ever finds himself unable to level after a dump/refill -- then the Stamina Player may have a bit of an edge as both ENG and STA regenerate at the same rate -- and you can actually get more XP from each point of Stamina than you can Energy. However, if the 1600 Energy to get 10 FP is correct, I don't think the Pure Energy Player will be in that position for very long if ever.

BUT -- as Ahmulag has pointed out (as well as my personal experience from a few days of doing it) -- THIS METHOD IS NOT VERY MUCH FUN!

Which then skews the "numbers" a bit. Two things are needed to power level: 1) the means to do it (i.e., lots of Energy/Stamina); and 2) the will to do it (i.e., you must use that ENG/STA to level). If the game is not fun, you will not play and you will not level ....

EpiQC
06-18-2010, 11:34 AM
I don't see why a stamina build wouldn't be able to catch up. They can farm FPs too. Sure there's not a strong synergy between stamina and questing, so it's slower at first. But they get to loot monsters quicker, because they're actually helping kill the beasts. Energy power levelers depend on others.

And of course it depends on the player. But that's why I like power leveling. At least there's some kind of skills involved; not everyone can do it. Low e/s PvP build is just click-click quest, click-click PvP/monster/nothing-because-you're-slowing-your-leveling-speed, grab a blessing, and move on. Anyone can do that.

Patrick D
06-18-2010, 12:18 PM
Not from our experience - if anything, I was pulling further away until I started investing in stamina.

You are looking at it from a short term perspective, and besides, I don't think you have experienced a lvl 300+ stamina build yet. The first 200 levels I wasn't even busy farming FPs or anything, I was simply having fun in the Arena and became a Legend with a BSI < 1 (due to high stamina). And I just didn't have the time and motivation to sit for hours and level endlessly so I also boosted attack to 200 and was satisfied with leveling 'only' 3 times a day. This changed as I started to get the hang of FP farming from dragons and later serpents and now my leveling speed is only limited by the amount of dragons/serpents I can hunt. I am pretty sure I wouldn't have been a higher level now if I had chosen for an energy build, I would have eventually settled for leveling 3 times a day anyway until I got the FP farming machine going. In fact, I can think of a few reasons why a stamina build actually has the advantage here:

1) practically all your stamina can be dedicated to FP farming from level 1 onwards, energy builds have to complete quests first or divide their attention
2) stamina can be used on all monsters, energy only on certain ones. Therefore stamina builds are able to find more monsters in general for FP and gaining xp, and so they can level faster.
3) dragons are stamina based, so for a low level (< 300) stamina build dragons are ideal to farm FP from. Energy builds will not be able to farm serpents efficiently until they get their defense up.
4) stamina builds can score crits. This means they do on average more damage than energy builds and thus they can farm FP a bit more efficiently

ODragon
06-18-2010, 12:21 PM
1) practically all your stamina can be dedicated to FP farming from level 1 onwards, energy builds have to complete quests first or divide their attention
2) stamina can be used on all monsters, energy only on certain ones. Therefore stamina builds are able to find more monsters in general for FP and gaining xp, and so they can level faster.
3) dragons are stamina based, so for a low level (< 300) stamina build dragons are ideal to farm FP from. Energy builds will not be able to farm serpents efficiently until they get their defense up.
4) Stamina build can move up the PvP ladder quicker and obtain SPs that way?

igtenos
06-18-2010, 12:28 PM
4) Stamina build can move up the PvP ladder quicker and obtain SPs that way?

not really. Unless said stamina build has a very high attack rating (like 1-1 stamina to attack).

Patrick D
06-18-2010, 12:29 PM
not really. Unless said stamina build has a very high attack rating (like 1-1 stamina to attack).

One word: invade

igtenos
06-18-2010, 12:36 PM
BUT -- as Ahmulag has pointed out (as well as my personal experience from a few days of doing it) -- THIS METHOD IS NOT VERY MUCH FUN!
For emphasis. Fighting nothing but dragons and spamming DCC all day is not so fun. Sometimes I purposely bone by leveling to get some skill points even if it knocks my leveling off course a bit. Although.... considering our PL builds are on Myspace is technically an issue in that world monsters are very much like Russian Roulette. You can almost never tell which way the monster is gonna go sometimes.


Which then skews the "numbers" a bit. Two things are needed to power level: 1) the means to do it (i.e., lots of Energy/Stamina); and 2) the will to do it (i.e., you must use that ENG/STA to level). If the game is not fun, you will not play and you will not level ....
You forgot #3 -- be lucky with the fp roulette. Sometimes the game just doesn't want to cough up those favor points. I've been known to go through droughts where red dragons just don't want to work with me. :(

carloseverest
06-18-2010, 12:44 PM
this is a good plan if you wana level up faster but you wont have much power in the game if all your points are on energy, i am level 221, 300 stamina 300 energy , it makes a great monster hunter build.

igtenos
06-18-2010, 12:44 PM
One word: invade
Eh. Might work on facebook. I remember Buzz a while back saying he had gotten to Prince through invasions. Myspace suffers from too small of a pvp pool. I find plenty of small army players, but sometimes that's not enough. I have seen cases where I am multitudes higher than an opponent and still lose. And even if you can win your way to a higher rank, you have to be able to find opponents that are of a good enough rank. Highest I've seen is lt. General.

ODragon
06-18-2010, 12:44 PM
One word: invade

Correct, on MySpace, I'm on my way to Centurion so I've farmed an extra 25 sps from the battlelist. I just broke having an army of 200. There are enough low army players out there that this is a viable method for bonus SPs.

Rutherford
06-18-2010, 01:04 PM
this is a good plan if you wana level up faster but you wont have much power in the game if all your points are on energy, i am level 221, 300 stamina 300 energy , it makes a great monster hunter build.

+10 np!




;)

Rutherford
06-18-2010, 02:33 PM
When farming these dragons/serpents, how much damage needs to be done to be in the 'fp range'?


http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showthread.php?t=30977

Arctic Wolf
06-18-2010, 02:34 PM
When farming these dragons/serpents, how much damage needs to be done to be in the 'fp range'?

I would say at least 100k to 150k for dragons and at least 200k to 250k for serpents...but im not too sure

Matezma
06-18-2010, 03:17 PM
For ancient serpents:
300 - 500k --> 2-4 demi slots, average 3 slots
500k+ --> 3-5 demi slots usually (sometimes 2), average 3,8 - 3,9 slots

~300k unlocks 4 slots, ~500k unlocks 5. If you want a (very small) chance at 10 FP from a single serpent go for 500k and up, you also don't need to find as many serpents.
By Patrick D from another thread.

EpiQC
06-18-2010, 08:25 PM
At least 20 PAs for dragons. I prefer 30.

Draconus
06-19-2010, 02:10 AM
And of course it depends on the player. But that's why I like power leveling. At least there's some kind of skills involved; not everyone can do it. Low e/s PvP build is just click-click quest, click-click PvP/monster/nothing-because-you're-slowing-your-leveling-speed, grab a blessing, and move on. Anyone can do that.

There is skill, and patience, much in use for slow, or slower leveling builds. And especially for PvP dedicated builds. We must choose our monster battles carefully according to the equipment we are needing at the time. And doing so under the constraint of very little stamina and energy while still needing to account for sufficient damage total for achievements and ensure a decent length to the loot list.

Slower leveling builds work best for those who do not have multiple hours and or multiple times per day they can, or want, to sit in front of a PC clicking virtual buttons. Power Levelers have their place, and uses, in CA. But so do PvP'ers. A power leveler can and often do reach very high battle ranks. Even to the very top. But only so long as they don't run afoul of a slower leveling PvP build. The only way I could compete with You for levels gained per day would be with an extremely large outlay of cash on recharges. Were I to do so, provided my finances would support the move, I could then match your levels gained while far exceeding the amount of damage done in the exact same battles as you could. Possible, but prohibitively expensive. No amount of favor points will allow you, with your power leveling build, to go head to head against a dedicated PvP build of your current level. Each different style of build holds strength in one area, but CA has more then one area. Because a power leveling build is best for You, does not make it the best possible build for everyone. Step into Another player's area of strength and attempt to compete, and you will quickly find yourself running a very poor second. Each build type has a value, a strength, and a weakness. No one build is all encompassing.

Dave O
06-19-2010, 06:38 AM
No amount of favor points will allow you, with your power leveling build, to go head to head against a dedicated PvP build of your current level.

This is true, but pretty much irrelevant (most PLer's find themselves at levels where there are NO PvP builds around).

What PLing DOES allow you to do is go head-to-head and WIN against PvP builds that started playing CA the same time you did. No, they can't do it from day one; but with their ability to level quickly and gather FP for refills to support their leveling speed, they will be able to gather more SP per day than their PVP counterpart. And after ENG/STA are "topped off" -- those points go into ATT/DEF and eventually they will have more there than their PvP counterpart. From that point onward, they will dominate -- guaranteed.

kikukiku
06-19-2010, 07:02 AM
Lv.70 Lieutenant Commander

240/70/194/85

too late too power level eh?

What should I do? =_=

I used to sick with pvp but now I don't.

EpiQC
06-19-2010, 08:09 AM
There is skill, and patience, much in use for slow, or slower leveling builds. And especially for PvP dedicated builds. We must choose our monster battles carefully according to the equipment we are needing at the time. And doing so under the constraint of very little stamina and energy while still needing to account for sufficient damage total for achievements and ensure a decent length to the loot list.
Patience? Definitely. But that's also true for power levelers, since you must wait until level 500+ to finally be able to hold your own in PvP. Skill? Not really. Power levelers have to choose their monster battles even more carefully. - Well ok, I'm generalizing here, but when I mention power leveler, I mean players like me, who are aspiring PvPers. I don't see the point of power leveling just to be high level or collect useless items - since you're not interested in PvP. But it's definitely one of the most viable strategies for high-end Castle Age (and PvP particularly). - So, as I was saying, we have to choose our monster battles very carefully. There's a big difference between 2.86 and 2.0 exp per stamina, or 1.75 and 1.4 exp per energy, when you have 1000 stamina or 2000 energy. I need good items as much as you do; if not more, because the better my items are, the more damage I can do, and the more damage I can do, the more monsters I can farm. And without FP farming and proper planning, a power leveler build is nowhere as good as it could be. As opposed to a slow leveling PvP build, where if you don't level up and collect skill points, you're still increasing your BSI every day with blessings.


Slower leveling builds work best for those who do not have multiple hours and or multiple times per day they can
That's why I said it depends on the player. But anyone who visit these forums probably have a lot of free time, otherwise they wouldn't be here. I have a life too. That doesn't prevent me to gain 5 levels per weekday and 20 levels per weekend.


Power Levelers have their place, and uses, in CA. But so do PvP'ers.
Why are you putting power levelers and PvPers into two different categories? You can PvP at any level, not just sub-gauntlet.


The only way I could compete with You for levels gained per day would be with an extremely large outlay of cash on recharges. Were I to do so, provided my finances would support the move, I could then match your levels gained while far exceeding the amount of damage done in the exact same battles as you could. Possible, but prohibitively expensive.
Not only levels gained per day, put also stat points available to put into attack and/or defense. Do you know many PvPers who can raise their attack/defense by more than 100 points every week? Oh, but give me the same amount of cash as you're investing in the game, and you'll never be able to match my attack/defense stats. Otherwise, well you spent cash, and I didn't, so I'm still a winner.


No amount of favor points will allow you, with your power leveling build, to go head to head against a dedicated PvP build of your current level.
Lol what is that supposed to mean? I'm a dedicated PvP build of my current level. Or are you suggesting that there are players of my level (350) with 120/120 builds, who haven't bought any FPs, with high BSI?


Each different style of build holds strength in one area, but CA has more then one area. Because a power leveling build is best for You, does not make it the best possible build for everyone. Step into Another player's area of strength and attempt to compete, and you will quickly find yourself running a very poor second. Each build type has a value, a strength, and a weakness. No one build is all encompassing.
Again, why do you think I said it depends on the player? I know I'm trading a high BSI for a high level & high attack/defense. I know I won't be able to beat the CC-users, but I'll be able to beat everyone else. That's enough for me.

Khaine[DSC]
06-19-2010, 05:14 PM
Energy is the way to go :D Use energy -> Quest -> Get more skill points -> Put into energy -> Do more quest -> Get more skill points -> Put into energy -> Do even more quest -> Get even more skill points -> Reach level 300 in 1 month or so :D

The down side of doing this is your pretty much useless on monster raids, best to build up your energy and stamina together, dont bother with worring about having high def or att, theres always someone out there with higher and will always find you on the battlefield, so just get em to 100 till you get the energy and stamina you want to be usefull on raids. At level 116 I have 240 energy 180 stamina 126 att 100 def and 100 health, I level up a level a day maybe 2 if im on a raid plus it builds your rep up being able to help on raids with your clan if your in one and the items you get help.

Dr Devious
06-19-2010, 05:52 PM
Sophia hasn't been playing much the past couple weeks/months. I have a stamina build and am now level 381 after 3,5 months of playing, and went from 200 attack to over 700 now in less than two weeks time. So I wouldn't say energy-based power leveling is much faster.

took my 7 weeks to get to level 300 been play 2,5 months level 387 atm. i started out with all energy and now i have 450 stamina too,

SoftServe
06-19-2010, 06:02 PM
i currently have

198 energy
136 stam
81 attack
and 81 defence

is my build salvageable, or am i lost at the moment for power leveling?

Dr Devious
06-19-2010, 06:51 PM
i currently have

198 energy
136 stam
81 attack
and 81 defence

is my build salvageable, or am i lost at the moment for power leveling?

that's not a bad start but you need to raise energy or stamina to a point where you can level with just one refill this make farming fp worthwhile, check out fp farmers group your find it on the forum under groups, there's lots of info there,

Patrick D
06-19-2010, 07:51 PM
took my 7 weeks to get to level 300 been play 2,5 months level 387 atm. i started out with all energy and now i have 450 stamina too,

Well I'm sure you can do the same with a stamina build, I didn't even completely focus on powerlevelling and am 400+ now after 3,5 months. As long as you have a decent base of energy to start with you can level pretty much endlessly until 300 (if you know how to play it smart), after which FP farming and refills can take over the job. Only time and motivation to keep on clicking is the limit to how fast you can go (and later how many suitable monsters you can find).

Draconus
06-19-2010, 08:20 PM
This is true, but pretty much irrelevant (most PLer's find themselves at levels where there are NO PvP builds around).

What PLing DOES allow you to do is go head-to-head and WIN against PvP builds that started playing CA the same time you did. No, they can't do it from day one; but with their ability to level quickly and gather FP for refills to support their leveling speed, they will be able to gather more SP per day than their PVP counterpart. And after ENG/STA are "topped off" -- those points go into ATT/DEF and eventually they will have more there than their PvP counterpart. From that point onward, they will dominate -- guaranteed.

If you spend 100 levels worth of stat points on energy and stamina alone, while I spend those same 100 levels worth of stat points on Attack and Defense. At level 100 You are a Pinata for most anyone of high enough level to open the battle page and I have some decent battle rank. You would need yet another 100 levels worth of stat points in order to match the attack and defense I already had. If you need 100+ levels advantage just to match what I already have, how can you call that dominating? Certainly you can attain any battle rank you desire, up to and including High King. But against anyone of your current level range other then another PL'er, you're just another BP Pinata. Unless you pretty much ignore the Quests until after you've reached whatever goal you have for Energy and Stamina, you can pretty much forget about ever attaining anything more then a 5 BSI. And for PvP purposes, a 5 BSI is on the low side of average. Your PL build has it's uses, and it has it's abilities that my slower leveling build cannot match without a great deal of cash. But do yourself the favor of not attempting to compare Your build against My build, and certainly not in the area that my build is designed for. Because within your level range, you simply cannot compete against a PvP build in PvP.

EpiQC
06-19-2010, 08:46 PM
If you spend 100 levels worth of stat points on energy and stamina alone, while I spend those same 100 levels worth of stat points on Attack and Defense. At level 100 You are a Pinata for most anyone of high enough level to open the battle page and I have some decent battle rank. You would need yet another 100 levels worth of stat points in order to match the attack and defense I already had.
Except I level up 10+ times faster than you, so you only gain 10 levels.


If you need 100+ levels advantage just to match what I already have, how can you call that dominating?
Because I started playing after you. The 100+ levels I have aren't exactly an advantage for PvP, as I would've spent those skill points into energy and/or stamina. The advantage, however, comes after I reach my desired energy/stamina, where I can still level up faster than you and increase my attack/defense at a much faster rate.


Certainly you can attain any battle rank you desire, up to and including High King. But against anyone of your current level range other then another PL'er, you're just another BP Pinata. Unless you pretty much ignore the Quests until after you've reached whatever goal you have for Energy and Stamina, you can pretty much forget about ever attaining anything more then a 5 BSI. And for PvP purposes, a 5 BSI is on the low side of average. Your PL build has it's uses, and it has it's abilities that my slower leveling build cannot match without a great deal of cash. But do yourself the favor of not attempting to compare Your build against My build, and certainly not in the area that my build is designed for. Because within your level range, you simply cannot compete against a PvP build in PvP.
There simply aren't any 120/120 PvP builds at my level. Also, at my level, BSI doesn't mean anything. If I have more attack/defense than you, I can beat you, whether my BSI is 1 or 10.

Ahmulag Ra
06-19-2010, 08:59 PM
[color=#663300]There simply aren't any 120/120 PvP builds at my level. Also, at my level, BSI doesn't mean anything. If I have more attack/defense than you, I can beat you, whether my BSI is 1 or 10.


Edit - went to check

You're only level 300+ - there are plenty of 120/120 builds at your level and higher.

Patrick D
06-19-2010, 08:59 PM
But do yourself the favor of not attempting to compare Your build against My build, and certainly not in the area that my build is designed for. Because within your level range, you simply cannot compete against a PvP build in PvP.

And how many 'PvP builds' do you think there are in my level range when I am level 1000? Unless it's a heavy CC user who likes wasting his money refilling 100-200 stamina/energy, the answer is none at all.

Ahmulag Ra
06-19-2010, 09:03 PM
And how many 'PvP builds' do you think there are in my level range when I am level 1000? Unless it's a heavy CC user who likes wasting his money refilling 100-200 stamina/energy, the answer is none at all.

You know, I enjoy reading your input, but you and others here do always play these imaginary future games. When you are level 1000+, then talk about it. Otherwise, who's to say you will ever be level 1000+? Personally, I found my PL build so boring that I have quit it after 2 months, whereas I still thoroughly enjoy my slow levelling PvP build.

Dave O
06-19-2010, 09:05 PM
If you spend 100 levels worth of stat points on energy and stamina alone, while I spend those same 100 levels worth of stat points on Attack and Defense. At level 100 You are a Pinata for most anyone of high enough level to open the battle page and I have some decent battle rank. You would need yet another 100 levels worth of stat points in order to match the attack and defense I already had. If you need 100+ levels advantage just to match what I already have, how can you call that dominating? Certainly you can attain any battle rank you desire, up to and including High King. But against anyone of your current level range other then another PL'er, you're just another BP Pinata. Unless you pretty much ignore the Quests until after you've reached whatever goal you have for Energy and Stamina, you can pretty much forget about ever attaining anything more then a 5 BSI. And for PvP purposes, a 5 BSI is on the low side of average. Your PL build has it's uses, and it has it's abilities that my slower leveling build cannot match without a great deal of cash. But do yourself the favor of not attempting to compare Your build against My build, and certainly not in the area that my build is designed for. Because within your level range, you simply cannot compete against a PvP build in PvP.

Heh -- I used to think this way too. I'm not going to rehash on this thread what has already been done on the "300 Rule" thread -- go there and read through it if you like -- paying particular attention to Patrick D's comments and replies. He has proven to me that a PL WILL dominate in this game -- guaranteed.

Doesn't mean you have to play one to have fun. I have a "Wall" on fb, and enjoy it immensely -- but, Patrick's PLer will be able to beat it in a matter of weeks now -- really nothing I can do to prevent it.

Dr Devious
06-19-2010, 09:08 PM
If you spend 100 levels worth of stat points on energy and stamina alone, while I spend those same 100 levels worth of stat points on Attack and Defense. At level 100 You are a Pinata for most anyone of high enough level to open the battle page and I have some decent battle rank. You would need yet another 100 levels worth of stat points in order to match the attack and defense I already had. If you need 100+ levels advantage just to match what I already have, how can you call that dominating? Certainly you can attain any battle rank you desire, up to and including High King. But against anyone of your current level range other then another PL'er, you're just another BP Pinata. Unless you pretty much ignore the Quests until after you've reached whatever goal you have for Energy and Stamina, you can pretty much forget about ever attaining anything more then a 5 BSI. And for PvP purposes, a 5 BSI is on the low side of average. Your PL build has it's uses, and it has it's abilities that my slower leveling build cannot match without a great deal of cash. But do yourself the favor of not attempting to compare Your build against My build, and certainly not in the area that my build is designed for. Because within your level range, you simply cannot compete against a PvP build in PvP.

i would guess that i have 10 times you energy and 5 times your stamina i know you don't have 10 time my attack or 5 times my defence, you may have 3 times my bsi and you may have been play this game 3 times longer then me but how long before i'm 3 times your level?

EpiQC
06-19-2010, 09:11 PM
Edit - went to check

You're only level 300+ - there are plenty of 120/120 builds at your level and higher.
358. If someone has a 120/120 build at my level, they're a CC-user or defensive xp abuser.

Patrick D
06-19-2010, 09:11 PM
You know, I enjoy reading your input, but you and others here do always play these imaginary future games. When you are level 1000+, then talk about it. Otherwise, who's to say you will ever be level 1000+? Personally, I found my PL build so boring that I have quit it after 2 months, whereas I still thoroughly enjoy my slow levelling PvP build.

I am level 400+ now and gaining more than 5 levels each day. I have seen and experienced enough to be able to say with certainty that unless I get bored with the game nothing is going to stop me from reaching these goals. And it's unlikely I will be getting bored soon, I am actually having more fun each single day as my PvP prowess keeps growing and growing. :D

Ahmulag Ra
06-19-2010, 09:16 PM
358. If someone has a 120/120 build at my level, they're a CC-user or defensive xp abuser.

:confused:

What makes you say that?

I've only been playing the same amount of time as you with my slow-levelling build and I am nearly 200. The game was out a year before I started, so I think you're way off there.

Ahmulag Ra
06-19-2010, 09:21 PM
I am level 400+ now and gaining more than 5 levels each day. I have seen and experienced enough to be able to say with certainty that unless I get bored with the game nothing is going to stop me from reaching these goals. And it's unlikely I will be getting bored soon, I am actually having more fun each single day as my PvP prowess keeps growing and growing. :D


I do not doubt the final result should it be attained, but I am just commenting on the number of claims made in these threads about a future that is many, many months away.

For example, regardless of boredom, you also need to have the time to invest in the game to continue levelling 5 times a day. When i started my PLing build, I was off work, barricaded in my house due to the trouble in Bangkok, and I could spend the required time to gain 5-10 levels a day. Time's change though, and now I am back to work - can you guarantee that you will continue to have that much time to invest in the game? Also, your levelling speed will drop as your level increases. I just think that a lot of incautious statements are being made on these forums lately.

Dr Devious
06-19-2010, 09:26 PM
:confused:

What makes you say that?

I've only been playing the same amount of time as you with my slow-levelling build and I am nearly 200. The game was out a year before I started, so I think you're way off there.

take a look at the bsi thread, i'm not worried about pvp builds it the level 500 monster hunters with 2000 attack at bother me,

Ahmulag Ra
06-19-2010, 09:28 PM
take a look at the bsi thread, i'm not worried about pvp builds it the level 500 monster hunters with 2000 attack at bother me,

Which BSI thread? There must be hundreds of them! :D

Dr Devious
06-19-2010, 09:33 PM
Which BSI thread? There must be hundreds of them! :D

this one http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showthread.php?t=32452

EpiQC
06-19-2010, 09:41 PM
:confused:

What makes you say that?

I've only been playing the same amount of time as you with my slow-levelling build and I am nearly 200. The game was out a year before I started, so I think you're way off there.
Luxor, one of the oldest players on the forums, haven't reached that level yet. And I think he both have more than 120/120, and have bought FPs a couple times during his play time.

Ahmulag Ra
06-19-2010, 09:44 PM
this one http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showthread.php?t=32452

Ok, thanks.... but nothing in that thread rebutts what I said. No one in that thread said that their energy/stamina is 120/120.

Ahmulag Ra
06-19-2010, 09:49 PM
Luxor, one of the oldest players on the forums, haven't reached that level yet. And I think he both have more than 120/120, and have bought FPs a couple times during his play time.

Is that right? I've never managed to find out Luxor's level. I'd love to see his stats/battle records.

Btw, just to give a balanced view - my slow levelling PvP build is getting 10 million on monsters now. Ok, I can't spread the loving around, but it's not impossible for our builds to do well in other areas of the game too.

Then again, I've got 125 stamina, so I am cheating! :p

Dr Devious
06-19-2010, 09:49 PM
Ok, thanks.... but nothing in that thread rebutts what I said. No one in that thread said that their energy/stamina is 120/120.

none of them said their said they level 300 plus

Ahmulag Ra
06-19-2010, 09:53 PM
none of them said their said they level 300 plus

Aye, I know, but that wasn't the point, was it? ;)

To remind you:


358. If someone has a 120/120 build at my level, they're a CC-user or defensive xp abuser.

EpiQC
06-19-2010, 09:58 PM
Is that right? I've never managed to find out Luxor's level. I'd love to see his stats/battle records.

Btw, just to give a balanced view - my slow levelling PvP build is getting 10 million on monsters now. Ok, I can't spread the loving around, but it's not impossible for our builds to do well in other areas of the game too.

Then again, I've got 125 stamina, so I am cheating! :p
Lol you actually have more stamina than me. :p

Are you seriously doing 400k damage per power attack? Or is 10 million damage over the course of a couple days?

I'm doing 4.5 million per refill.

Ahmulag Ra
06-19-2010, 10:11 PM
Lol you actually have more stamina than me. :p

Are you seriously doing 400k damage per power attack? Or is 10 million damage over the course of a couple days?

I'm doing 4.5 million per refill.

No - nothing like 400k per PA. My experience with the Alpha Bahamut/Azriel is that they tend to take 2-4 days - I might just be 'lucky' here in that I join random fights that are poorly coordinated. However, in the last couple of weeks I've also scored 10m on both Ragnarok and Genesis too.

Draconus
06-20-2010, 12:41 AM
i would guess that i have 10 times you energy and 5 times your stamina i know you don't have 10 time my attack or 5 times my defence, you may have 3 times my bsi and you may have been play this game 3 times longer then me but how long before i'm 3 times your level?

That would depend upon your Level currently. At level 164 I currently enjoy a BSI of 6.9 with 566 each in attack and defense. Not counting quests completed or various achievements and figuring those stat points as only levels, that is 226 levels worth of stat points. To acquire 1000 energy and 1000 stamina, a total of 3000 stat points. Figured as strictly levels that comes to 600 levels worth of stat points dedicated to energy and stamina.

Length of time playing has little to do with it. There are any number of people who started CA long before I did but then walked away for whatever reason and went months without ever logging in. Most of the people who started playing at about the same time I did are now at, near, or in excess of level 300. So? Once I reach level 300 we can exchange keep links. If you would hope to compete I would strongly advise you to be not less then level 700 at that time. Because at level 300 I will still have a 6.9 or better BSI and you will be scrambling in an attempt to reach a 5 BSI. Your PL build has it's strengths, but the only people of your level, the people who have had access to the same number of stat points, that you can compete with in PvP are other PL'ers just like yourself. Because PvP is not what your build is designed for. Nothing says you can't do PvP, it's just not your area of strength. My build can't level quickly, not unless I wish to wear out a credit or debit card that is. But within my level range there aren't that many able to defeat me in PvP. When I step outside of the area my build is designed for, I rate 2nd place at best. I can do excellent damage or defending either one in a monster battle. I'm just not going to be making as many hits in a row.

Dr Devious
06-20-2010, 01:32 AM
That would depend upon your Level currently. At level 164 I currently enjoy a BSI of 6.9 with 566 each in attack and defense. Not counting quests completed or various achievements and figuring those stat points as only levels, that is 226 levels worth of stat points. To acquire 1000 energy and 1000 stamina, a total of 3000 stat points. Figured as strictly levels that comes to 600 levels worth of stat points dedicated to energy and stamina.

Length of time playing has little to do with it. There are any number of people who started CA long before I did but then walked away for whatever reason and went months without ever logging in. Most of the people who started playing at about the same time I did are now at, near, or in excess of level 300. So? Once I reach level 300 we can exchange keep links. If you would hope to compete I would strongly advise you to be not less then level 700 at that time. Because at level 300 I will still have a 6.9 or better BSI and you will be scrambling in an attempt to reach a 5 BSI. Your PL build has it's strengths, but the only people of your level, the people who have had access to the same number of stat points, that you can compete with in PvP are other PL'ers just like yourself. Because PvP is not what your build is designed for. Nothing says you can't do PvP, it's just not your area of strength. My build can't level quickly, not unless I wish to wear out a credit or debit card that is. But within my level range there aren't that many able to defeat me in PvP. When I step outside of the area my build is designed for, I rate 2nd place at best. I can do excellent damage or defending either one in a monster battle. I'm just not going to be making as many hits in a row.


i have over 2200 sp in s/e or as you put it 440 levels worth but i'll take you up on the 300 challenge,

Ahmulag Ra
06-20-2010, 01:39 AM
i have over 2200 sp in s/e or as you put it 440 levels worth but i'll take you up on the 300 challenge,

That's an interesting one! I'll be up for that too!

Incidentally, what is your build and level Dr? I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned. 2200 between e&s - I'd assume you have 200 defense?

Assuming you are around level 300 and are levelling 3 times a day, I'll probably hit 300 around the time you hit 700, if you can keep that rate of levelling.

kikukiku
06-20-2010, 02:36 AM
This is my LV 72 character

250 Energy
75 Stam
195 Attack
85 Defense

Am I too late to be a power leveler? :confused:

Need some advice please.

EpiQC
06-20-2010, 02:46 AM
This is my LV 72 character

250 Energy
75 Stam
195 Attack
85 Defense

Am I too late to be a power leveler? :confused:

Need some advice please.
No, just keep pumping energy and stamina. Concentrate on energy first, up to at least 300, preferably 500. Then choose if you want to continue with stamina up to 1000, energy up to 2000, or both if you're willing to work for it.

Dave O
06-20-2010, 04:12 AM
i have over 2200 sp in s/e or as you put it 440 levels worth but i'll take you up on the 300 challenge,

LOL -- if they are ~L165, it will be about a year (or more) before they get to L300 ... this will be "no contest". A PvPer will get the early victories (when they are worth little); but will lose in the end, when lots of BP are at stake.

Major
06-20-2010, 05:43 AM
This is my LV 72 character

250 Energy
75 Stam
195 Attack
85 Defense

Am I too late to be a power leveler? :confused:

Need some advice please.

Do you feel like not playing for about nearly 2 years years? if that is the case, stop playing until your energy is about 600. Pray to Ambrosia daily.

Otherwise you are going to have to use Favor Points to level and still pray to Ambrosia daily and allocate all skill points to Energy. Then when you have unlocked the higher lands look for quests that have a high experience payout (compared to energy spent) then adjust strategy accordingly.

Remember you have to find 12.5 skill points every time you level and allocate to Energy. After you have farmed all the available skill points your ability to power level reduces unless you're prepared to pay for FP's or you have the ability to slay dozens of monsters a day to farm FP's.

Dave O
06-20-2010, 05:56 AM
Remember you have to find 12.5 skill points every time you level and allocate to Energy. After you have farmed all the available skill points your ability to power level reduces unless you're prepared to pay for FP's or you have the ability to slay dozens of monsters a day to farm FP's.

hmmm ... perhaps a bit misleading. You don't need to 'slay' dozens of monsters each day; but you do need to be able to attack a good number of fresh monsters each day -- others can certainly help you kill the beasts. (This is one of the reasons the STA based PL has it a bit easier I think -- more options with monsters).

On fb, there are lots of groups who "cater" to this type of play style, joining one (or several) of them will help ensure success in this venture. Your options on MS are a bit more limited, however, hopefully they will improve with time.

Berad
06-20-2010, 07:53 AM
I Don't know if I can mold into a more aggressive leveler or not. I wish I had stuck to my guns, but I wanted to hit harder so I added ATK a while back...

LVL - 245

547 - energy
391 - Stamina
455 - Atk
13 - Def

I was going to cap out my stamina at 400 ( I just like a nice round number, and demi points messed it up! ) And then funnel into Energy from there on. I would really get back into a level or two a day plan... If not more.

After checking out the other thread, I am regretting the choice to use Barbarus... he must be why I am not getting my Volcanic gems...

I was considering going ahead and finishing off all of the quests for more stat points, I'm only half way done, so there are lots to be had.

Think I'll ever be able to get back up to a speedy leveling build?

Dr Devious
06-20-2010, 11:51 AM
That's an interesting one! I'll be up for that too!

Incidentally, what is your build and level Dr? I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned. 2200 between e&s - I'd assume you have 200 defense?

Assuming you are around level 300 and are levelling 3 times a day, I'll probably hit 300 around the time you hit 700, if you can keep that rate of levelling.

he thinks i'm only going to be 700 by the time he reach 300 i'm not a monster hunter i'm a power leveller lol

Ahmulag Ra
06-20-2010, 01:09 PM
he thinks i'm only going to be 700 by the time he reach 300 i'm not a monster hunter i'm a power leveller lol

Well, that's yet to be established - btw, you didn't put up your stats yet.

Ahmulag Ra
06-20-2010, 01:11 PM
I Don't know if I can mold into a more aggressive leveler or not. I wish I had stuck to my guns, but I wanted to hit harder so I added ATK a while back...

LVL - 245

547 - energy
391 - Stamina
455 - Atk
13 - Def

I was going to cap out my stamina at 400 ( I just like a nice round number, and demi points messed it up! ) And then funnel into Energy from there on. I would really get back into a level or two a day plan... If not more.

After checking out the other thread, I am regretting the choice to use Barbarus... he must be why I am not getting my Volcanic gems...

I was considering going ahead and finishing off all of the quests for more stat points, I'm only half way done, so there are lots to be had.

Think I'll ever be able to get back up to a speedy leveling build?

As long as you keep adding to energy, of course you will. You just need to make sure you farm as many SP's as possible from quests/achievements and your levelling speed will increase slightly. Aside from that, with 400 stamina, you should be able to farm a goodly number of FP's per level and use refills to speed you up even more.

EpiQC
06-20-2010, 03:09 PM
btw, you didn't put up your stats yet.
I'm curious about that too. He's 26 levels higher than me, but I wonder what his BSI is. I'm level 364 with 1.4 BSI.

Patrick D
06-20-2010, 03:52 PM
I am currently level 408 with a BSI of 2.4. I feel like a true monsterhunter now lol.

Draconus
06-20-2010, 05:51 PM
I am currently level 408 with a BSI of 2.4. I feel like a true monsterhunter now lol.

Hmmm... That would be 979.2 total stat points placed in Attack, Defense, or some ratio between the 2 (ignoring the 1 stat point that is default). Provided that were 100% Attack, then Yourself at level 408 could defeat My level 165 just barely in PvP (that 979 will beat my total defense by all of 10, so the random factor could swing the battle either way.). Considering the 240+ level difference, that would be like Me going after level 1 players who had yet to complete their very 1st quest while claiming that as proof that I dominated in PvP.

As for EpiQC, at 199 levels above my current level of 165, with your stated BSI, while you would be most welcome to come view my Keep any time you care to. For your own safety I would have to advise against you clicking either of the Duel or Invade buttons. Because I have more points in attack or defense either one then you have in both combined.

That is the difference between our builds. We are built for different purposes. Were I to suddenly find myself the owner of a Lotto Jackpot winning ticket then I could happily power level as quickly as I wished while keeping to my PvP build. By level 600, about the only people left in CA capable of standing against me would be those true CA Legends such as Orlando with his 4000+ Attack and who knows or cares how much Defense. And if I kept up the pace and held to the build, then most certainly I would catch and exceed the best that He is capable of to the point of being able to use Him as a BP farm.

There is no one build that is absolute best for everything. There are only builds that are best for each person. One's such as yourselves might well find yourselves bored to tears attempting to follow and use my PvP build. While my own schedule of life and work would make attempting to use a PL build a complete waste of time and effort. Working together in a monster battle, we can accomplish a very great deal to mutual benefit. Working at odds with each other, then neither of us accomplish much of anything.

Patrick D
06-20-2010, 08:13 PM
Hmmm... That would be 979.2 total stat points placed in Attack, Defense, or some ratio between the 2 (ignoring the 1 stat point that is default). Provided that were 100% Attack, then Yourself at level 408 could defeat My level 165 just barely in PvP (that 979 will beat my total defense by all of 10, so the random factor could swing the battle either way.). Considering the 240+ level difference, that would be like Me going after level 1 players who had yet to complete their very 1st quest while claiming that as proof that I dominated in PvP.

What a bunch of BS. I don't care if I can beat you now or not, I have only just begun adding statpoints into attack and defense and so my build is still in its infancy. I am not claiming I dominate in PvP, I just want to make a character that is as strong as possible in the guantlet where the true beasts are hiding and preying. BSI and levels do not matter to me, as long as someone appears on my battle list it is all fair game to me. Also goes the other way around, if a level 1000 beats me than I say good game sir you are stronger and deserved to win, but now I will have to bookmark you and pay you a visit later when I am a lot stronger than I am now. :p And we will see who wins then. I just like those kind of challenges. :cool:

But hey, we will probably meet each other in the guantlet sooner or later. Or maybe in the next Arena. Just don't spare me and I will not spare you. ;)

Draconus
06-20-2010, 09:08 PM
But hey, we will probably meet each other in the guantlet sooner or later. Or maybe in the next Arena. Just don't spare me and I will not spare you. ;)

Agreed, sooner or later We shall find ourselves sharing a battle page. At which time, if your battle rank is high enough to count as a worthwhile target to me, then I shall certainly see about collecting BP's from you. If your rank is too low to provide BP's, then I won't waste my stamina.

For purposes of the gauntlet, a PL build's greatest strength is in being effectively invisible. Gaining levels so very much faster while holding a battle rank low enough to not be seen as a worthwhile target.

But you appear to have the wrong impression of what I am trying to explain.

Not everyone has the patience, or limited online schedule, for a pure PvP build.

Not everyone has the schedule, or desire, to use a PL build.

No one build style is absolute best for all areas of CA. For best results it requires all build styles working together, each taking a different role in the process according to their strengths and covering each others weaknesses. Short of an exceedingly expensive outlay, I cannot compete in your area of strength. By the same token, when you enter the area where I am strongest, you need hundreds of levels above my own to defeat me. Against those of your own level, you can't compete in PvP simply because that is not what your build is designed for. To attempt to compare the 2 styles accomplishes little beyond supplying a few chuckles to those reading. There is no true basis for comparison because each is designed for a different task.

Patrick D
06-20-2010, 10:00 PM
Against those of your own level, you can't compete in PvP simply because that is not what your build is designed for.

My build is designed with both PvP and monster hunting in mind. Your claim that I can't compete in PvP against those of my own level is simply false as I and others have explained again and again, but you don't seem to understand what we are saying. Oh well I am not going to repeat myself again, I'll just say that not many people will be able to beat my build once I am there where I want to be. The rest of what you are saying about aims and goals being different is perfectly fine to me, but this thread is about power leveling and how you can use this power leveling to create a PvP monster later.

Draconus
06-20-2010, 10:48 PM
My build is designed with both PvP and monster hunting in mind. Your claim that I can't compete in PvP against those of my own level is simply false as I and others have explained again and again, but you don't seem to understand what we are saying. Oh well I am not going to repeat myself again, I'll just say that not many people will be able to beat my build once I am there where I want to be. The rest of what you are saying about aims and goals being different is perfectly fine to me, but this thread is about power leveling and how you can use this power leveling to create a PvP monster later.

Eventually, everyone gains attack and defense strength. Because eventually adding more to stamina and energy just stops making sense. An example of a slower leveling Monster Hunter was supplied to me via a friend,

level 269 General
228 Max Energy -- Do more quests
238 Max Stamina -- Launch attacks! (cost 2)
690 Attack -- Offensive might
690 Defense -- Defense power
136 Max Health -- Withstand attacks

Something near to 75% of that battle rank was gained strictly through defensive wins. This player has little interest in PvP aside from occasionally chaining the odd Earl or Duke, and I hear tell at least 1 High King. I have no doubt that you will, eventually, do quite well in PvP. But I can tell you now that you shall never qualify as a "PvP Monster" simply because that is not what your build is designed for. The only players you can currently defeat with ease are those many levels below your own, or those with builds like your own. Should you meet any true PvP build anywhere near your level, then you will most certainly be used as a pinata if only for the demi points. Thankfully for You, true PvP builds are exceedingly rare at higher levels. It is quite possible you will have to wait for me to arrive at those levels. Because regardless of my finances, I shall never change my build style from it's current PvP dedication.

If a Power Leveling Monster is what you desire, then I would say you are well on your way if you haven't already arrived. But you shall never be a PvP Monster unless you build for PvP from the start, as I have, and continue that build perpetually, as I plan to do. You can certainly bully those hundreds, even thousands of levels below your own. But that will only make you a Bully. Preying upon those who have never had access to the amount of stat points and levels that you have. As I said before, it would be like Me attacking, even chaining, a level 1 player and claiming the ability to defeat that level 1 as proof of my strength.

EpiQC
06-20-2010, 11:05 PM
PvP and power leveling aren't mutually exclusive.

I can raise my defense by 25 points each day. How about you Draconus?

Dr Devious
06-21-2010, 12:30 AM
Eventually, everyone gains attack and defense strength. Because eventually adding more to stamina and energy just stops making sense. An example of a slower leveling Monster Hunter was supplied to me via a friend,

level 269 General
228 Max Energy -- Do more quests
238 Max Stamina -- Launch attacks! (cost 2)
690 Attack -- Offensive might
690 Defense -- Defense power
136 Max Health -- Withstand attacks

Something near to 75% of that battle rank was gained strictly through defensive wins. This player has little interest in PvP aside from occasionally chaining the odd Earl or Duke, and I hear tell at least 1 High King. I have no doubt that you will, eventually, do quite well in PvP. But I can tell you now that you shall never qualify as a "PvP Monster" simply because that is not what your build is designed for. The only players you can currently defeat with ease are those many levels below your own, or those with builds like your own. Should you meet any true PvP build anywhere near your level, then you will most certainly be used as a pinata if only for the demi points. Thankfully for You, true PvP builds are exceedingly rare at higher levels. It is quite possible you will have to wait for me to arrive at those levels. Because regardless of my finances, I shall never change my build style from it's current PvP dedication.

If a Power Leveling Monster is what you desire, then I would say you are well on your way if you haven't already arrived. But you shall never be a PvP Monster unless you build for PvP from the start, as I have, and continue that build perpetually, as I plan to do. You can certainly bully those hundreds, even thousands of levels below your own. But that will only make you a Bully. Preying upon those who have never had access to the amount of stat points and levels that you have. As I said before, it would be like Me attacking, even chaining, a level 1 player and claiming the ability to defeat that level 1 as proof of my strength.

the thing is bsi and levelling speed are a trade off you can't have both, say a pvp build with bsi of 8 takes a year to reach the gauntlet and it take a power leveller with bsi of 3 a year to reach level 1000 who wins?

Patrick D
06-21-2010, 12:42 AM
I have no doubt that you will, eventually, do quite well in PvP. But I can tell you now that you shall never qualify as a "PvP Monster" simply because that is not what your build is designed for.

Wrong, you can't tell me anything because you don't know what it's like at the really high levels. High level BSI builds are very rare, they are not even worth considering here because you will almost never encounter them. I think I qualify as a PvP monster when I have 4k+ in defense and attack combined. Sounds pretty scary to me at least. :p And that's exactly what I have designed my build for. And I will get there much sooner than you will, otherwise I would have chosen a build more like yours. I don't care about being the strongest in my level bracket, brackets don't mean anything to me and to those in the gauntlet with me. All that matters are how much defense and attack you have, that's all.


If a Power Leveling Monster is what you desire, then I would say you are well on your way if you haven't already arrived. But you shall never be a PvP Monster unless you build for PvP from the start, as I have, and continue that build perpetually, as I plan to do. You can certainly bully those hundreds, even thousands of levels below your own. But that will only make you a Bully. Preying upon those who have never had access to the amount of stat points and levels that you have. As I said before, it would be like Me attacking, even chaining, a level 1 player and claiming the ability to defeat that level 1 as proof of my strength.

What nonsense again. Leveling is just another way to gain skillpoints just like questing, gaining achievements, ranking up and praying are. For me this game is not meant to be played forever in my own cozy little level bracket where I can keep preying upon those who have started the game later than me. I simply find that boring. Once you reach the gauntlet it's free for all and my strategy is such that I can more quickly adapt to the more harsh environment and survive there and kick some ass at the same time. You can't and won't be able to once you reach the gauntlet (at least not to the same extent), unless you change your strategy radically. If you want to stay away from the gauntlet forever, well that's perfectly fine with me ofcourse, but that's not how I like to enjoy this game.

Draconus
06-21-2010, 12:48 AM
PvP and power leveling aren't mutually exclusive.

I can raise my defense by 25 points each day. How about you Draconus?

I never said they were mutually exclusive. To be precise I've stated many times that no matter your build type, you can aspire to and attain any battle rank up to and including High King.

I raise my attack and defense both by 4 or more each time I level, not counting demi blessings or any achievements gained. Which means you need 2 levels or more to match what I accomplish in one. Different build types have different abilities.

Dr Devious
06-21-2010, 01:28 AM
I never said they were mutually exclusive. To be precise I've stated many times that no matter your build type, you can aspire to and attain any battle rank up to and including High King.

I raise my attack and defense both by 4 or more each time I level, not counting demi blessings or any achievements gained. Which means you need 2 levels or more to match what I accomplish in one. Different build types have different abilities.

you were in the arena which means you were at lest level 80 in march your now level 165, i never started playing till April I'm level 393, at best you have done 85 levels in 3 mouths,

Ahmulag Ra
06-21-2010, 01:33 AM
PvP and power leveling aren't mutually exclusive.

I can raise my defense by 25 points each day. How about you Draconus?

This is highly odd EpiQC - can you explain?

You are level 350ish? and have 2000 energy?

Even if you spend ALL that energy on the best energy to XP conversion, the Cefka quest, you only net 3500 xp. At your level, that doesn't get you a level up. If you spend it farming FP, your XP is much less, and you have to wait for the monster to die before collecting.

Can you explain how you are getting 5 levels a day because my experience with a PL build that was 1100 energy and 255 stamina leads me to think that the 5x level a day at level 350 is not possible without refills.

Dave O
06-21-2010, 01:37 AM
Against those of your own level, you can't compete in PvP simply because that is not what your build is designed for. To attempt to compare the 2 styles accomplishes little beyond supplying a few chuckles to those reading. There is no true basis for comparison because each is designed for a different task.

hmm ... couple things wrong with your logic, me thinks.

1. A PL does just fine against others of their "own level" -- they are in a league of their own, no PvP builds are around the upper levels (too slow to level), only other PLers.

2. But, (and this is important to some), if two players start playing at the same time, the PL WINs in the end. The PvP player is tough at first, during the low levels; but they can not hold the edge. Once the PLer makes the shift to ATT/DEF, they RAPIDLY gain on the PvP player, eventually exceeding them -- game over.

The basis of comparison is "How long you have played the game." Pay me now, or pay me later.

Patrick D
06-21-2010, 01:53 AM
Even if you spend ALL that energy on the best energy to XP conversion, the Cefka quest, you only net 3500 xp. At your level, that doesn't get you a level up. If you spend it farming FP, your XP is much less, and you have to wait for the monster to die before collecting.

You don't have to wait for monsters to die really, you just loot the monsters you hit yesterday while you were gaining 5 levels. Which gives you enough FP to gain 5 levels today, which in turn brings you a fresh supply of monsters to farm FP from later or the next day.... and so on and so on. I always have at least 60 monsters active in my list so there are always some ready to loot. All I can say is that it works like a charm, I gain more FP than I actually use for refills.

Ahmulag Ra
06-21-2010, 02:11 AM
You don't have to wait for monsters to die really, you just loot the monsters you hit yesterday while you were gaining 5 levels. Which gives you enough FP to gain 5 levels today, which in turn brings you a fresh supply of monsters to farm FP from later or the next day.... and so on and so on. I always have at least 60 monsters active in my list so there are always some ready to loot. All I can say is that it works like a charm, I gain more FP than I actually use for refills.

Well, that's not the case for EpiQC as he doesn't have the stamina to be doing that, and, as I said, if he is using his energy to do that then he isn't levelling from questing with his energy.

Also, I think that means that you have restricted yourself to only fighting dragons/serpents forever. Not quite sure how you manage to consistently have 60 dragons/serpents either.

If you gain more FP than you use, then there's literally nothing to stop you powerlevelling daily beyond your own ability to click.

When people have made the above claim before, it turned out to not be quite accurate. I am concerned about the innaccuracies of a lot of the claims I've seen in this and other similar threads.

Dr Devious
06-21-2010, 02:21 AM
This is highly odd EpiQC - can you explain?

You are level 350ish? and have 2000 energy?

Even if you spend ALL that energy on the best energy to XP conversion, the Cefka quest, you only net 3500 xp. At your level, that doesn't get you a level up. If you spend it farming FP, your XP is much less, and you have to wait for the monster to die before collecting.

Can you explain how you are getting 5 levels a day because my experience with a PL build that was 1100 energy and 255 stamina leads me to think that the 5x level a day at level 350 is not possible without refills.

i don't know how he does it but serpents posted on the forum tend to die in no time and groups take them down quick to, with 2000 energy and 400 defence that 200 hits of 20,000 plus that's enough to hit 15 serpents and get 3 slots on each, so with refill that's 30 serpents 90 fp slots per level without his stamina, the hard bit is finding the will and the time to do it.

EpiQC
06-21-2010, 02:40 AM
I never said they were mutually exclusive. To be precise I've stated many times that no matter your build type, you can aspire to and attain any battle rank up to and including High King.

I raise my attack and defense both by 4 or more each time I level, not counting demi blessings or any achievements gained. Which means you need 2 levels or more to match what I accomplish in one. Different build types have different abilities.
You said a power leveler could never be a PvP monster. Battle rank is nothing. I'm talking about crushing everyone on the battle list and bouncing people off my walls.

I could accomplish 8 skill points per level too if I wanted to. But I'll take the 25 SPs per day instead, thanks.


This is highly odd EpiQC - can you explain?

You are level 350ish? and have 2000 energy?

Even if you spend ALL that energy on the best energy to XP conversion, the Cefka quest, you only net 3500 xp. At your level, that doesn't get you a level up. If you spend it farming FP, your XP is much less, and you have to wait for the monster to die before collecting.

Can you explain how you are getting 5 levels a day because my experience with a PL build that was 1100 energy and 255 stamina leads me to think that the 5x level a day at level 350 is not possible without refills.
I'm not doing Cefka anymore. I started farming serpents when I got my defense to 400. I'm still doing the energy potion + 500 energy fortify trick when I buy a refill though. Also, you don't need to level up 5 times to get 25 skill points. I still have some quests to do, and I'm doing some when I buy a refill.

But there are days where you are more lazy. Today, for example, I only collected 14 SPs, but I did save the 15 FPs I looted from yesterday's monsters.


If you gain more FP than you use, then there's literally nothing to stop you powerlevelling daily beyond your own ability to click.
It's hard to find a lot of sea serpents, so that's our (my) only limit. To quote WHW, leveling speed is directly proportionate to the number of available monsters.

I don't know how Patrick's doing, but I can only manage to get 15 monsters running at once.

Matezma
06-21-2010, 02:46 AM
I think you gained 6 levels yesterday? What's the energy potion trick?

EpiQC
06-21-2010, 02:48 AM
I think you gained 6 levels yesterday? What's the energy potion trick?
Yeah I was on fire lol. FP trick: http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1195515&postcount=4. I'm only doing steps 3-7 now.

Matezma
06-21-2010, 02:52 AM
Oh, cheers. Bookmarked that one for later.

Dave O
06-21-2010, 03:18 AM
I'm missing something here ...


How to get the most out of your FPs:

Get 100-150 stamina (enough for 20-30 PAs vs dragons), rest into energy.
Level up as much as possible beforehand, using up all energy potions.
On a fresh level, don't spend any stamina (you don't get SPs).
Start farming the energy potion quest, with Titania equipped.
Once you have 40 energy potions (the current cap), go back to completing those quests with the worst exp/energy. Refill once (10 FPs).
Stop questing just before you level up, preferably with 1 exp remaining.
Join a blue bar monster, and do a 100 energy fortify with Orc King or Barbarus equipped to gain a big headstart over the next level.

If I've followed the flow path correctly, I am 1 click away from leveling and I still haven't used any of my Stamina -- is this correct? Seems I am wasting a lot of Stamina that could be used for gathering loot as well as XP (and saving the use of some Energy Potions as well).

Lord Dufduf
06-21-2010, 03:41 AM
Lv.70 Lieutenant Commander
240/70/194/85
too late too power level eh?
What should I do? =_=
I used to sick with pvp but now I don't.

i currently have
198 energy
136 stam
81 attack
and 81 defence
is my build salvageable, or am i lost at the moment for power leveling?

This is my LV 72 character
250 Energy
75 Stam
195 Attack
85 Defense
Am I too late to be a power leveler? :confused:
Need some advice please.

NO. It's never too late. The 3 above builds, bring energy/stamina up to 300-500 in each. Then take it from there. Keep following this thread. Read the post that followed the 300 rule if you didn't already. Lots of reading, but lots of good stuff, as far as the pros and cons of power leveling via energy or power leveling via stamina.


I Don't know if I can mold into a more aggressive leveler or not. I wish I had stuck to my guns, but I wanted to hit harder so I added ATK a while back...

LVL - 245

547 - energy
391 - Stamina
455 - Atk
13 - Def

.....
I was considering going ahead and finishing off all of the quests for more stat points, I'm only half way done, so there are lots to be had.

Think I'll ever be able to get back up to a speedy leveling build?

Do the 35/20 quest almost exclusively, it will help you to level. Forget the SPs for now. I recommend, 600 energy 500 stamina. Or branch off and do a pure energy or stamina PL.



... Unless you pretty much ignore the Quests until after you've reached whatever goal you have for Energy and Stamina, you can pretty much forget about ever attaining anything more then a 5 BSI. And for PvP purposes, a 5 BSI is on the low side of average. Your PL build has it's uses, and it has it's abilities that my slower leveling build cannot match without a great deal of cash. But do yourself the favor of not attempting to compare Your build against My build, and certainly not in the area that my build is designed for. Because within your level range, you simply cannot compete against a PvP build in PvP.


... Because at level 300 I will still have a 6.9 or better BSI and you will be scrambling in an attempt to reach a 5 BSI. Your PL build has it's strengths, but the only people of your level, the people who have had access to the same number of stat points, that you can compete with in PvP are other PL'ers just like yourself. Because PvP is not what your build is designed for. Nothing says you can't do PvP, it's just not your area of strength. My build can't level quickly, not unless I wish to wear out a credit or debit card that is. But within my level range there aren't that many able to defeat me in PvP. When I step outside of the area my build is designed for, I rate 2nd place at best. I can do excellent damage or defending either one in a monster battle. I'm just not going to be making as many hits in a row.



I cannot compete in your area of strength. By the same token, when you enter the area where I am strongest, you need hundreds of levels above my own to defeat me. Against those of your own level, you can't compete in PvP simply because that is not what your build is designed for. To attempt to compare the 2 styles accomplishes little beyond supplying a few chuckles to those reading. There is no true basis for comparison because each is designed for a different task.


First off you are coming into this thing from a disadvantage. Most of the poster here are from the 300 rule. We learned a great deal from the posters and subsequent chatter that followed. Ironically, I learned the most I think.

This thread is a branch off that one. So we all had a good month in a half (or whatever) to experiment, talk, beat each other up, yell, cry, etc.

In the end we all (well almost all) have come to this conclusion.

Heh -- I used to think this way too. I'm not going to rehash on this thread what has already been done on the "300 Rule" thread -- go there and read through it if you like -- paying particular attention to Patrick D's comments and replies. He has proven to me that a PL WILL dominate in this game -- guaranteed....

You can choose energy or stamina but in the end PL wins. 100% guaranteed.

Even the things you say about, " Because at level 300 I will still have a 6.9 " is completely meaningless. The fact that you are still talking about BSI proves how little you understand. It can be used as a benchmark. But meaningless as ANY REAL threat. And all the remarks about your build is good for this, my build is good for that....wrong !!!

Our PL builds are better in PVP than the PVP builds. Better. You see it as, 'In this current time.' We are not better in this current time. We see it as, 'In the end, the result will be...'

We are not playing to beat those at our level. We are sacrificing PVP currently to completely destroy you in 'The end'.

You will never be able to compete with the end result.

I am level 400+ now and gaining more than 5 levels each day. I have seen and experienced enough to be able to say with certainty that unless I get bored with the game nothing is going to stop me from reaching these goals. And it's unlikely I will be getting bored soon, I am actually having more fun each single day as my PvP prowess keeps growing and growing. :D




My build is designed with both PvP and monster hunting in mind. Your claim that I can't compete in PvP against those of my own level is simply false as I and others have explained again and again, but you don't seem to understand what we are saying. Oh well I am not going to repeat myself again, I'll just say that not many people will be able to beat my build once I am there where I want to be. The rest of what you are saying about aims and goals being different is perfectly fine to me, but this thread is about power leveling and how you can use this power leveling to create a PvP monster later.

"I'll just say that not many people will be able to beat my build once I am there where I want to be."

You see Draconus, in the end we will have say 4000 SPs that you don't have. It won't matter what your BSI, how slow you leveled, your high king, nothing you can do can compete or stop us. We will out PVP you in the future. 100% guaranteed. And we will enjoy all the FP, loot, and toys from dominating the PVM world as well.

EpiQC
06-21-2010, 03:44 AM
I'm missing something here ...



If I've followed the flow path correctly, I am 1 click away from leveling and I still haven't used any of my Stamina -- is this correct? Seems I am wasting a lot of Stamina that could be used for gathering loot as well as XP (and saving the use of some Energy Potions as well).
Yes that's right. But otherwise you'd be wasting more energy, and I'd rather get more SPs from quests than a chance at some FPs from a dragon or two. You don't use the energy potions right away. You use them on the subsequent levels.

But that's for an energy power leveler only (100-150 stamina, 900+ energy). This strategy works best from level 200 to 300.

Rudi Black
06-21-2010, 04:19 AM
How to get the most out of your FPs:

Get 100-150 stamina (enough for 20-30 PAs vs dragons), rest into energy.
Level up as much as possible beforehand, using up all energy potions.
On a fresh level, don't spend any stamina (you don't get SPs).
Start farming the energy potion quest, with Titania equipped.
Once you have 40 energy potions (the current cap), go back to completing those quests with the worst exp/energy. Refill once (10 FPs).
Stop questing just before you level up, preferably with 1 exp remaining.
Join a blue bar monster, and do a 100 energy fortify with Orc King or Barbarus equipped to gain a big headstart over the next level.
Farm dragons and the 35/20 quest. Then, repeat steps #6 and #7, until you can't level up from just your energy (and stamina).
Drink a few energy potions, repeat the 35/20 quest until you level up. Repeat steps #8 and #9 upon level up.
Once you run out of energy potions, repeat steps #3 to #5.
If you have to go to bed or work, go back to completing quests. Don't overspend your energy, so that you can either complete enough quests to level up, or farm the 35/20 quest as needed the next time you play.

What is the 35/20 quest?

Dave O
06-21-2010, 05:08 AM
Yes that's right. But otherwise you'd be wasting more energy, and I'd rather get more SPs from quests than a chance at some FPs from a dragon or two. You don't use the energy potions right away. You use them on the subsequent levels.

But that's for an energy power leveler only (100-150 stamina, 900+ energy). This strategy works best from level 200 to 300.

ah ... *light come on* ... I got it now. Either way "something" gets wasted after a refill; but Energy gets you more of what you want. Thanks. :)

SADDAM786
06-21-2010, 05:13 AM
Hey guys how to level up fast from 40 level onwards.
I needed help please help me.

Ioannis
06-21-2010, 07:27 AM
PvP and power leveling aren't mutually exclusive.

I can raise my defense by 25 points each day. How about you Draconus?

I was getting ready to ask how, but i saw ur answer and have some questions
How much is ur Energy stamina?
Dragons are Power attack based and assuming u do 20 PAs per monster and having 60 Dragons means 1200 stamina spent on a daily basis. If u claim to gain 4-5 levels per day ur stamina should be around 300???
Then u need to gain a level every 4-5 hours with the 300 stamina pool and how much energy????

Of course the way of thinking above is not accurate, so please be so kind to tell us ur Energy stamina


PS
EpiQC, which group are u part of, if u participate in one

Patrick D
06-21-2010, 08:45 AM
Well, that's not the case for EpiQC as he doesn't have the stamina to be doing that, and, as I said, if he is using his energy to do that then he isn't levelling from questing with his energy.

Also, I think that means that you have restricted yourself to only fighting dragons/serpents forever. Not quite sure how you manage to consistently have 60 dragons/serpents either.

Make that 4 Azriels, 2 Lotus, 2 BoTD (last for achievement), 2 Ragnaroks, 21 dragons, 17 serpents and 12 Skaars. :)

Eric Suen
06-21-2010, 09:34 AM
I like PL, My level is 145, and my stats

215 Energy
243 Stamina
402 Attack
108 Defense

Should I put SPs to Energy or Stamina. any suggestion?

adam ahman
06-21-2010, 09:40 AM
Is that right? I've never managed to find out Luxor's level. I'd love to see his stats/battle records.

Luxors in the 340 level range...and he's one tough dude! I'd post his stats but he will have to do that.

Ahmulag Ra
06-21-2010, 10:09 AM
You see Draconus, in the end we will have say 4000 SPs that you don't have. It won't matter what your BSI, how slow you leveled, your high king, nothing you can do can compete or stop us. We will out PVP you in the future. 100% guaranteed. And we will enjoy all the FP, loot, and toys from dominating the PVM world as well.


It's these things that make me laugh.

I'll be collecting my pension by then Dufduf! You haven't even got a PL build.

Ahmulag Ra
06-21-2010, 10:11 AM
What is the 35/20 quest?

Cefka's Knight Champion (or something like it)

Last subquest on the lands of water.

Ahmulag Ra
06-21-2010, 10:17 AM
Make that 4 Azriels, 2 Lotus, 2 BoTD (last for achievement), 2 Ragnaroks, 21 dragons, 17 serpents and 12 Skaars. :)

Another factor you guys really need to consider.

To get the benefits from your build there's absolutely no question that you need to spend considerable time playing every day. Even joining a number of groups, you still have to go to their page, find an appropriately fresh monster, bash it, rinse and repeat 5-10 times. You also need to check back through your monster list regularly. You are probably logging in - 5-10 times a day?

Either you have extremely friendly companies that permit you to play games during work, or you don't actually work! :D

It's not even remotely feasible for me. I travel around Bangkok daily and can never be assured quite when I will be at the computer as my schedule changes on a daily basis. The only times I can guarantee are 7 in the morning, and around 11 at night.

This isn't meant to knock you, just meant to point out that this kind of setup will never be available to the majority of CA players. In many ways, it would be cheaper for me to play via buying FP's because at least I could then go out and work to earn the cash for them! :)

Dave O
06-21-2010, 10:26 AM
It's these things that make me laugh.

I'll be collecting my pension by then Dufduf! :D

hmmm ... I don't think those numbers (4000 SPs) are that far-fetched at all.

From the "300 Rule" thread, Patrick D. was leveling 4X per day and adding 21 SP to ATT/DEF EVERY DAY! My fb Wall levels around once every two days.

So, every 2 days, Patrick's PL is adding 42 points to ATT/DEF, while I am adding 7. That is a DIFFERENCE of 35 SP every 2 days! In 229 days (<8 months) he will have gained 4000 more SP than I have.

Edit -- forgot I was working with '2 day' increments -- the time to 4000 SP is double what I originally posted.

Even if he slows to 3 levels per day (32 SPs every 2 days); he will gain that 4000 SP advantage in 320 days (<11 months).

Edit -- forgot I was working with '2 day' increments -- the time to 4000 SP is double what I originally posted.

And remember, those points are IN ADDITION to the 7 points I'm placing in ATT/DEF every 2 days. I think the end result is pretty clear ... he will break my Wall long before then.

Ahmulag Ra
06-21-2010, 10:34 AM
hmmm ... I don't think those numbers (4000 SPs) are that far-fetched at all.

From the "300 Rule" thread, Patrick D. was leveling 4X per day and adding 21 SP to ATT/DEF EVERY DAY! My fb Wall levels around once every two days.

So, every 2 days, Patrick's PL is adding 42 points to ATT/DEF, while I am adding 7. That is a DIFFERENCE of 35 SP per day! In 115 days (<4 months) he will have gained 4000 more SP than I have.

Even if he slows to 3 levels per day (32 SPs every 2 days); he will gain that 4000 SP advantage in 160 days (<6 months).

And remember, those points are IN ADDITION to the 7 points I'm placing in ATT/DEF every 2 days. I think the end result is pretty clear ... he will break my Wall long before then.



Lord Dufduf doesn't have a PL build Dave! ;)

Dave O
06-21-2010, 10:50 AM
Lord Dufduf doesn't have a PL build Dave! ;)


He might ... whose to say? ;)

But, I get your point now ... :cool:

EpiQC
06-21-2010, 11:38 AM
I was getting ready to ask how, but i saw ur answer and have some questions
How much is ur Energy stamina?
Dragons are Power attack based and assuming u do 20 PAs per monster and having 60 Dragons means 1200 stamina spent on a daily basis. If u claim to gain 4-5 levels per day ur stamina should be around 300???
Then u need to gain a level every 4-5 hours with the 300 stamina pool and how much energy????

Of course the way of thinking above is not accurate, so please be so kind to tell us ur Energy stamina


PS
EpiQC, which group are u part of, if u participate in one
2000 energy, 116 stamina. I'm in FP farmers and Countdown. I don't fight 60 dragons at once, only ~15 monsters in total, most of which are sea serpents now.


I like PL, My level is 145, and my stats

215 Energy
243 Stamina
402 Attack
108 Defense

Should I put SPs to Energy or Stamina. any suggestion?
Depends if you prefer to fortify or bash monsters. :D In any case, you'll want at least 300-500 energy, so I would focus on that first.


Another factor you guys really need to consider.

To get the benefits from your build there's absolutely no question that you need to spend considerable time playing every day.
Well Castle Age is a game, so if we can spend time actually playing it instead of waiting for natural refilling, then we're in business. I get my fun from playing the game, rather than waiting. I also work 35+ hours a week, but it's manageable. You just have to know how to play, and that's were the strategy part kicks in. For example I only spend 150 energy and 116 stamina after I level up in the morning. So when I get back from work, I spend my stamina, and then I can actually choose the best option between DCKC, serpents, or questing, depending on my exp/energy ratio.

jgfetterhoff
06-21-2010, 02:12 PM
This may be a stupid question but . . . I understand the concept of battling Dragons and Serpents to farm favor points. But I don't understand how to go about farming FPs using energy. Could some please explain?

Ahmulag Ra
06-21-2010, 02:18 PM
He might ... whose to say? ;)

But, I get your point now ... :cool:

The 300 build thread! ;)

Plus, he started about 6 months before I did! :D

Ahmulag Ra
06-21-2010, 02:19 PM
This may be a stupid question but . . . I understand the concept of battling Dragons and Serpents to farm favor points. But I don't understand how to go about farming FPs using energy. Could some please explain?

Fortifying serpents.

Dr Devious
06-21-2010, 03:04 PM
has anyone tried tagging i see it a lot but I've never done it, what's the point of it?

Lord Dufduf
06-21-2010, 05:38 PM
hmmm ... I don't think those numbers (4000 SPs) are that far-fetched at all.

From the "300 Rule" thread, Patrick D. was leveling 4X per day and adding 21 SP to ATT/DEF EVERY DAY! My fb Wall levels around once every two days.

So, every 2 days, Patrick's PL is adding 42 points to ATT/DEF, while I am adding 7. That is a DIFFERENCE of 35 SP per day! In 115 days (<4 months) he will have gained 4000 more SP than I have.

Even if he slows to 3 levels per day (32 SPs every 2 days); he will gain that 4000 SP advantage in 160 days (<6 months).

And remember, those points are IN ADDITION to the 7 points I'm placing in ATT/DEF every 2 days. I think the end result is pretty clear ... he will break my Wall long before then.

Thanks for the confirmation Dave. The 4000 is really irrelevant, it's the principle that matters. However, I'm glad you did the math to prove 4000 does work.

4000, 8000, a gazillion, Ahmulag are you incapable of abstract thinking? You stumble over exact numbers again and again. Exact numbers are meaningless. It's the over all principle that's the point. I'll be at level 500, 1000, a million trillion, I'll have a billion, trillion, a million gazillion SP more than you.

That's not the point. The point is he (let's take Patrick for the example) levels 3 time a day, you level once every 3 days. You lose. Period. That's the point.


Lord Dufduf doesn't have a PL build Dave! ;)

I have a hybrid build. I level once every day.

Ahmulag Ra
06-21-2010, 06:01 PM
4000, 8000, a gazillion, Ahmulag are you incapable of abstract thinking? You stumble over exact numbers again and again. Exact numbers are meaningless. It's the over all principle that's the point. I'll be at level 500, 1000, a million trillion, I'll have a billion, trillion, a million gazillion SP more than you.

That's not the point. The point is he (let's take Patrick for the example) levels 3 time a day, you level once every 3 days. You lose. Period. That's the point.

What Patrick will be able to do, and what you will be able to do are 2 entirely different things. That was my point.

If you read back you will note that I was replying to you, not to Patrick. You might feel like you can jump on the bandwagon here, but your build is nothing remotely similar to Patrick's. I can quote the dialogue if you have forgotten?

Your idea of abstract thinking seems to be just a little too abstract for me, i.e. not actually grounded in reality. You do not have the energy and stamina to achieve what Patrick could potentially achieve - my comment was pointed entirely at you, quite clearly, I might add.

You will never be 'a gazillion' (or any of the other silly numbers you stated) SP over me, unless I quit the game today and you continue on until you are collecting your pension.



I have a hybrid build. I level once every day.

And you also started 6? 8? months before me. Whatever the time out, you have played at least 4 months longer than me. You already have more SP than me - that is the nature of this game.

The point is - this is a PLing thread, and your build is not capable of achieving anything like a PL build can in the future.

I am sure that you are quite satisfied with your game though, just as I am with mine! :)

Theogony_IX
06-21-2010, 08:52 PM
Quick update for those who are interested. I started a new alt Friday the 18th. Currently I'm sitting at:

lvl - 63
Energy - 376
Stamina - 51
Att - 2 (Lvl 1 training for duels in Battle Page - Gives 30 exp for 3-4 stamina)
Def - 2 (Lvl 1 training for invasions - Gives 30 exp for 3-4 stamina)
Life 100
FP - 25

I'm thinking of bringing my energy up to 400-500, and them dumping a lot into stamina - probably 500-700. (I like to throw my weight around in monster hunting, so a stamina build would probably be the way to go.) Once there start dumping the rest into attack. Any thoughts on this?

johnlunceford
06-21-2010, 09:27 PM
How to get the most out of your FPs:

Get 100-150 stamina (enough for 20-30 PAs vs dragons), rest into energy.
Level up as much as possible beforehand, using up all energy potions.
On a fresh level, don't spend any stamina (you don't get SPs).
Start farming the energy potion quest, with Titania equipped.
Once you have 40 energy potions (the current cap), go back to completing those quests with the worst exp/energy. Refill once (10 FPs).
Stop questing just before you level up, preferably with 1 exp remaining.
Join a blue bar monster, and do a 100 energy fortify with Orc King or Barbarus equipped to gain a big headstart over the next level.
Farm dragons and the 35/20 quest. Then, repeat steps #6 and #7, until you can't level up from just your energy (and stamina).
Drink a few energy potions, repeat the 35/20 quest until you level up. Repeat steps #8 and #9 upon level up.
Once you run out of energy potions, repeat steps #3 to #5.
If you have to go to bed or work, go back to completing quests. Don't overspend your energy, so that you can either complete enough quests to level up, or farm the 35/20 quest as needed the next time you play.

Ok, I am new to this thread but have read quite a lot of the responses. I tried "farming" the energy potions using both the General required by the quest along with Titania. I didnt receive a single potion after 15 attemps. That's 45 energy down the drain so tell me how your farming the energy potions.

The quest I did was "A Forest in Peril" and note that I already have all the Demi quests completed through level 4. So I am thinking your strategy only works for people that havent reached level 4 in the quests and sub quests. Is this a fair statement?

I must be missing something. Below is one of my lower builds which I would like to leverage for the "300 rule" build.

Level 99, Centurion
Attack 445
Defense 180
Energy 90
Stamina 104
Health 104

EpiQC
06-21-2010, 09:44 PM
Quick update for those who are interested. I started a new alt Friday the 18th. Currently I'm sitting at:

lvl - 63
Energy - 376
Stamina - 51
Att - 2 (Lvl 1 training for duels in Battle Page - Gives 30 exp for 3-4 stamina)
Def - 2 (Lvl 1 training for invasions - Gives 30 exp for 3-4 stamina)
Life 100
FP - 25

I'm thinking of bringing my energy up to 400-500, and them dumping a lot into stamina - probably 500-700. (I like to throw my weight around in monster hunting, so a stamina build would probably be the way to go.) Once there start dumping the rest into attack. Any thoughts on this?
I'm starting to think stamina may be easier. Not because energy is bad, but because serpents are quite rare and you'll have a easier time farming FPs if you can hit both serpents and dragons.


Ok, I am new to this thread but have read quite a lot of the responses. I tried "farming" the energy potions using both the General required by the quest along with Titania. I didnt receive a single potion after 15 attemps. That's 45 energy down the drain so tell me how your farming the energy potions.

The quest I did was "A Forest in Peril" and note that I already have all the Demi quests completed through level 4. So I am thinking your strategy only works for people that havent reached level 4 in the quests and sub quests. Is this a fair statement?
No, I have them all to level 4 and it works for me. You just need 700-900 energy to be able to farm 40 energy potions in 1 refill.

Dr Devious
06-21-2010, 10:14 PM
the potion trick is only to be use when you have more then enough energy to get to the next level, so it would be wasted anyway, by getting potions you can use on the next level your saving it not wasting it,

Lord Dufduf
06-22-2010, 12:03 AM
I'm starting to think stamina may be easier. Not because energy is bad, but because serpents are quite rare and you'll have a easier time farming FPs if you can hit both serpents and dragons.

LOL. Patrick and I have been telling you that for a month or two. Glad you came around. 6 in one half dozen in the other. Your work with high energy PLing had been invaluable. I for one like stamina because I can Kill the darn thing. And farm BOTH serpents and dragons makes a big difference in the day in day out. Dragons give you the Dragon Helmet as well. Farm 501 of those, that would be sweet.




Originally Posted by johnlunceford View Post
Ok, I am new to this thread but have read quite a lot of the responses. I tried "farming" the energy potions using both the General required by the quest along with Titania. I didnt receive a single potion after 15 attemps. That's 45 energy down the drain so tell me how your farming the energy potions.

No, I have them all to level 4 and it works for me. You just need 700-900 energy to be able to farm 40 energy potions in 1 refill.

I took EpiQC's advice johnlunceford and started farming pots (as some like to say). My energy is not yet at his recommended 700-900. So what I do is farm energy potions if and only if it won't hurt me to level. I'm going to bed anyway or I'm 300 experience to the next level and got 180 stamina. Then I'll go for it. I don't try for 40. Just get as many as you can, returns not good. But I did get my first 40 energy potions recently. Got stuck between levels and used up 30, and leveled. You just got to get, I would say at least 800 energy to make it a daily objective. For me now, it's a secondary, 'extra credit' thing. Until my energy gets up there.

One more thing EpiQc advice:
http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1195515&postcount=4

Doesn't apply directly to a high stamina build.

3. On a fresh level, don't spend any stamina (you don't get SPs).
5. Once you have 40 energy potions

This of course is a no brainer. He is coming from a High energy. I'm coming from a high stamina, medium to high energy. Of course you have to gear it to your own build. I say this for people who might be new to this thread. The main point is: Use what you got to the highest efficiency that you can.

I don't got enough energy to farm 40 in one sitting so I ___ instead. You just got to fill in your own blank until your energy CAN farm 40 in one shot.

EpiQC
06-22-2010, 12:08 AM
LOL. Patrick and I have been telling you that for a month or two. Glad you came around. 6 in one half dozen in the other. Your work with high energy PLing had been invaluable. I for one like stamina because I can Kill the darn thing. And farm BOTH serpents and dragons makes a big difference in the day in day out. Dragons give you the Dragon Helmet as well. Farm 501 of those, that would be sweet.
But on the other hand, energy refills aren't capped so that's a pretty sweet deal for me. :p

Foehammer
06-22-2010, 12:14 AM
Hey guys how to level up fast from 40 level onwards.
I needed help please help me.

You shouldn't have slowed down at level 40. If you have, its because you stopped investing in energy and are now investing in Attack/Defense. So the key is to continue investing in energy, and get it up to 300, 400, even 500 or higher. One of my PL builds (the straight energy one) was leveling about 15 times a day after level 40... maybe faster, but eventually you get sick of clicking.

Complete the Land of Fire quests to Level 4, and invest all those points into Energy. Then invest in the 20:35 quest. All skill points into energy. If you're still having problems in two weeks, you've really messed up somewhere, so start an alternative account and start over.

Theogony_IX
06-22-2010, 12:44 AM
So I may have gone about this the wrong way, but here's what I've done, why, and how I plan to continue (which is always up for revision of course).

I'm working to get to the 35/20 quest, but since I've leveled so fast I'm shorter on gold than I'd like, and can't buy the soldiers necessary. In the mean time I farmed all the Land of Fire quests for their skill points and the first demi-quest for Azeron - all to level four. I farmed the three 15/10 quests to level 4, and the last quest in Land of Earth to level 4. I completed Land of Mist just enough to unlock Land of Water, and completed one quest in Land of Water. Now I'm waiting for enough gold to buy 10 pheonix.

For the most part I've been doing the 15/9 quest in Land of Earth which gives me a 1.66:1 exp/engy return as opposed to the 1.75:1 of the 35/20 quest. Until today that has allowed me to level as fast as I can click it out.

(If I had been paying closer attention rather than just being excited about leveling so quickly, I would have dumped all my skill points into energy as soon as I had them, leveled off the 15/9 quest until I had equal energy to experience needed to level and farmed the potion quests until I leveled. As it was there were times I was sitting on 20-30 unused skill points regularly while I was leveling.)

My thought was that leveling quickly was a little more to the point than farming skill points.

I plan to go for a stamina build, but started out with high energy to get the ball rolling, so my thought is that eventually my stamina will take over and be the primary agent for getting me to my next level. At that point I should be free to use my energy to farm the rest of the lower end quests for their skill points. Once it becomes too difficult to level while farming inefficient quests, I will either have to resort to being patient, or switch back to doing the 35/20 quest.

Lord Dufduf
06-22-2010, 12:59 AM
I plan to go for a stamina build, but started out with high energy to get the ball rolling, so my thought is that eventually my stamina will take over and be the primary agent for getting me to my next level. At that point I should be free to use my energy to farm the rest of the lower end quests for their skill points. Once it becomes too difficult to level while farming inefficient quests, I will either have to resort to being patient, or switch back to doing the 35/20 quest.

by jove i think he's got it

darkadvice
06-22-2010, 01:38 AM
Lvl 259
1209 Max Energy
274 Max Stamina
282 Attack
151 Defense

What is your advice on this build to speed it up, stamina or energy now. It lvls about 3 times a day. Not all quests are at lvl 4. I have 121 FP from dragons.

Dr Devious
06-22-2010, 01:54 AM
if anyone starting out has a problem getting money try tagging raids if you've added enough army it's easy to win invasions, one stamina will get you land drops,

nubfru1t
06-22-2010, 02:04 AM
If there is any doubts to the feasibility of the Power Leveling strategy, the only foreseeable constraint (as suggested by some already) is the number of dragons/serpents available. That is very true, and as a power leveler, I have joined many monster hunting groups, on an insatiable diet to kill more and more monsters.

Because of increasing FP returns per level, skaars and ragnaroks, at a certain point in the power leveling career, become FP-farmable. And so without buying any FPs, I have amassed a huge amount of loot :D. To the anti-Power-leveling camp, this quality of loot is of course no where near the CC users who have 501 Hydras.

Units

Genesis, The Earth Elementals x1
Spartan Phalanxs x5
Cronus, The World Hydras x11
Blood Zealots x6
Hellslayer Knights x414
Gladiators x5
Hellkite Minions x59

Weapons

Zarevoks Meat Cleavers x1
Celestas Devotions x1
Genesis Swords x7
Excaliburs x1
Berserker Axes x1
Blade of Vengeances x1
Deliverances x7
Frost Edges x86
Lavareign Axes x4
Icicle Lances x119
Punishers x273

Items

Sword of Redemptions x1
Moonfall Amulets x1
Helm of Dragon Powers x54
Purgatorys x8
Volcanic Helms x6
Deathshields x285
Deathrune Hellplates x146

Magic

Gladiators Strengths x1
Frost Bolts x23
Tempest Storms x1
Consecrations x3
Blessing of Natures x1
Atlantean Forcefields x165
Lightning Storms x1
Holy Auras x8
Pestilences x298

EpiQC
06-22-2010, 02:07 AM
^ Wow that's incredible! At what point are ragnaroks and skaars farmable?

nubfru1t
06-22-2010, 02:15 AM
When FP returns from farming only skaars + ragnarok = 10 FPs per level

RAUKO
06-22-2010, 02:21 AM
When FP returns from farming only skaars + ragnarok = 10 FPs per level
Which group is that and what damage/dispel You practice on both, please?

darkadvice
06-22-2010, 04:03 AM
So Skaars can be farmable at what level at stamina?
It sounds like stamina is the best power lvling technique now, I wish I had known that since I have 274 stamina and 1210 energy. It looks like I will have to start adding point to stamina instead of energy.
@EpiQC how is the 2000 energy in power leveling? is it consistent?

Draconus
06-22-2010, 06:03 AM
Even the things you say about, " Because at level 300 I will still have a 6.9 " is completely meaningless. The fact that you are still talking about BSI proves how little you understand. It can be used as a benchmark. But meaningless as ANY REAL threat. And all the remarks about your build is good for this, my build is good for that....wrong !!!

Our PL builds are better in PVP than the PVP builds. Better. You see it as, 'In this current time.' We are not better in this current time. We see it as, 'In the end, the result will be...'

We are not playing to beat those at our level. We are sacrificing PVP currently to completely destroy you in 'The end'.

You will never be able to compete with the end result.






"I'll just say that not many people will be able to beat my build once I am there where I want to be."

You see Draconus, in the end we will have say 4000 SPs that you don't have. It won't matter what your BSI, how slow you leveled, your high king, nothing you can do can compete or stop us. We will out PVP you in the future. 100% guaranteed. And we will enjoy all the FP, loot, and toys from dominating the PVM world as well.

At your current level, at or better then 200 levels above my own current level, you amount to little better then a pinata placed in plain sight. At your current rate, in order for you to be able to go head to head against those such as Orlando, also known as the true CA Legends. And they actually have quite low BSI's. You would need to reach or exceed level 5000 by or before the end of the week. Right now, keeping an extremely low battle rank is your only protection from almost every monster hunter above level 200.

So while you are apparently content with the idea of acting the Troll against people thousands of levels below you in some delusional effort to prove yourselves superior because you can defeat only those people many thousands of levels below your own. You must remember that there are a goodly number of people who have already attained those massive levels and already hold PvP strength that you can never hope to match. And then you must remember that there are those like myself, few though we may be, who are happily taking our time knowing that you will have nowhere to hide once we reach you and your much vaunted level of power. And I for one shall be quite content posting the results of that meeting right here for all to see.

There are 3, basic, types of build. For purposes of PvP strength they rank as follows.

1. Dedicated PvP. The slowest to level, requiring the most effort and patience. Few can maintain the patience needed to hold to this build style beyond level 100. Fewer still hold it beyond level 200. The higher the level reached is the greater the temptation to adjust to a more hybrid build for faster leveling or faster monster kills. Seldom have a BSI much below 6, most often striving to keep a BSI at or in excess of 7.

2. Monster Hunter. The most common build, usually does not consider PvP activity much until at or after level 200 - 250. By which time they have normally already reached whatever levels of stamina and energy they desire so from that time on all stat points gained go to attack and defense. Most often having a BSI at or in excess of 4.5.

3. Power Leveling. Weakest of the 3 against any within their level range. Their only hope of strength being to gain, and remain, many hundreds of levels above their chosen target range. Any other build even close to their current level being able to defeat them easily. Only rarely attains a BSI of 4. At any time they begin placing stat points into attack or defense, that slows their leveling speed which then allows more of the Monster Hunters to catch them.

I have nothing against power levelers, they have their place and role on CA just as the other builds do. Just please do not delude yourselves into thinking you can enter an area your build is not made to handle and think to dominate those who have built for that area. Because you will fail every time. With a very great outlay of cash I could match, or even exceed, your claimed rate of gained levels per day. So??? No amount of cash or favor points will allow you to match my current battle record. Because that is not what your build is made for. I agree fully you can do quite well in PvP, but only so long as you are very careful about the targets you chose to attack. Ensuring that they are many levels below your own or have an army far smaller then your own. I don't suffer from that restriction because PvP is what my build is made for. I don't need to outrun my opponents. The few capable of defeating me let me know I need to work at my stats more. And I know that I shall eventually catch them. I can afford to be patient.

Dave O
06-22-2010, 10:17 AM
At your current level, at or better then 200 levels above my own current level, you amount to little better then a pinata placed in plain sight. At your current rate, in order for you to be able to go head to head against those such as Orlando, also known as the true CA Legends. And they actually have quite low BSI's. You would need to reach or exceed level 5000 by or before the end of the week. Right now, keeping an extremely low battle rank is your only protection from almost every monster hunter above level 200.

So while you are apparently content with the idea of acting the Troll against people thousands of levels below you in some delusional effort to prove yourselves superior because you can defeat only those people many thousands of levels below your own. You must remember that there are a goodly number of people who have already attained those massive levels and already hold PvP strength that you can never hope to match. And then you must remember that there are those like myself, few though we may be, who are happily taking our time knowing that you will have nowhere to hide once we reach you and your much vaunted level of power. And I for one shall be quite content posting the results of that meeting right here for all to see.

There are 3, basic, types of build. For purposes of PvP strength they rank as follows.

1. Dedicated PvP. The slowest to level, requiring the most effort and patience. Few can maintain the patience needed to hold to this build style beyond level 100. Fewer still hold it beyond level 200. The higher the level reached is the greater the temptation to adjust to a more hybrid build for faster leveling or faster monster kills. Seldom have a BSI much below 6, most often striving to keep a BSI at or in excess of 7.

2. Monster Hunter. The most common build, usually does not consider PvP activity much until at or after level 200 - 250. By which time they have normally already reached whatever levels of stamina and energy they desire so from that time on all stat points gained go to attack and defense. Most often having a BSI at or in excess of 4.5.

3. Power Leveling. Weakest of the 3 against any within their level range. Their only hope of strength being to gain, and remain, many hundreds of levels above their chosen target range. Any other build even close to their current level being able to defeat them easily. Only rarely attains a BSI of 4. At any time they begin placing stat points into attack or defense, that slows their leveling speed which then allows more of the Monster Hunters to catch them.

I have nothing against power levelers, they have their place and role on CA just as the other builds do. Just please do not delude yourselves into thinking you can enter an area your build is not made to handle and think to dominate those who have built for that area. Because you will fail every time. With a very great outlay of cash I could match, or even exceed, your claimed rate of gained levels per day. So??? No amount of cash or favor points will allow you to match my current battle record. Because that is not what your build is made for. I agree fully you can do quite well in PvP, but only so long as you are very careful about the targets you chose to attack. Ensuring that they are many levels below your own or have an army far smaller then your own. I don't suffer from that restriction because PvP is what my build is made for. I don't need to outrun my opponents. The few capable of defeating me let me know I need to work at my stats more. And I know that I shall eventually catch them. I can afford to be patient.

Wow, the only one who is "deluded" here is you, Draconus.

I have a Wall on fb. L190+ BSI 8+ -- certainly meets your "dedicated PvP" criteria, although I only PvP 50x a day for the demi's. I've been playing since November 2009. As has been stated (numerous times on numerous threads), Patrick D's Power Leveler, which has been playing less than 1/2 the time I have will very likely break my wall in the next 2-4 weeks.

Yep, he is hundreds of levels above me, but the fact is I have been playing longer than he has and he WILL BEAT me! And as he continues to level, he will be able to beat those dedicated PvPers who started before me ... until at some point he will be able to beat them all. The only Players who have a chance are those that use CC and/or PL -- all others will fail in the end.

How can you argue with results like that?

Dr Devious
06-22-2010, 10:20 AM
3. Power Leveling. Weakest of the 3 against any within their level range. Their only hope of strength being to gain, and remain, many hundreds of levels above their chosen target range. Any other build even close to their current level being able to defeat them easily. Only rarely attains a BSI of 4. At any time they begin placing stat points into attack or defense, that slows their leveling speed which then allows more of the Monster Hunters to catch them.

this shows you do not understand power levelling at all, it's not about levelling speed, we use fp the same as cc players do, i can level with one refill you need many, every 10fp i get is a level and therefore 5 more sp, you think spending that sp on more e/s is a wast but in fact it just helps me gain more fp which gains more sp and keeps me levelling with one refill, power levelling becomes easier at higher levels not harder i'll never have a bsi of 4 but a won't need it to beat you when i'm 4 times your level, you may think that wont happen but when pvp builds level twice a week at level 300 and i level 3 times a day 400 that's 10 to 1 how much bsi do i need?

Patrick D
06-22-2010, 11:03 AM
LOL. Patrick and I have been telling you that for a month or two. Glad you came around. 6 in one half dozen in the other. Your work with high energy PLing had been invaluable. I for one like stamina because I can Kill the darn thing. And farm BOTH serpents and dragons makes a big difference in the day in day out. Dragons give you the Dragon Helmet as well. Farm 501 of those, that would be sweet.

While I personally favor a stamina build, I am not claiming it to be superior to an energy PL build. There are pros and cons to both builds but I am sure both builds can get you where you want it to be. As was said earlier Skaars and Ragnaroks are also FP farmable so you aren't limited to serpents only with an energy build. And the fact that energy has a higher refill cap than 2000 is also a pretty big advantage.

RAUKO
06-22-2010, 11:15 AM
While I personally favor a stamina build, I am not claiming it to be superior to an energy PL build. There are pros and cons to both builds but I am sure both builds can get you where you want it to be. As was said earlier Skaars and Ragnaroks are also FP farmable so you aren't limited to serpents only with an energy build. And the fact that energy has a higher refill cap than 2000 is also a pretty big advantage.

Again: info for Skaar and Ragnarok damage/dispel, regarding FPs and loot farming needed.
Thank You.

EpiQC
06-22-2010, 11:34 AM
1. Dedicated PvP. The slowest to level, requiring the most effort and patience. Few can maintain the patience needed to hold to this build style beyond level 100. Fewer still hold it beyond level 200. The higher the level reached is the greater the temptation to adjust to a more hybrid build for faster leveling or faster monster kills. Seldom have a BSI much below 6, most often striving to keep a BSI at or in excess of 7.
And there's also the dedicated PvP power leveler, which requires even more effort and patience. Most are too lazy to even play with such a build. Not only that, but it requires perfect knowledge of the game, for it is not an easy build. It can do everything any other build can, but exponentially more.


I have nothing against power levelers, they have their place and role on CA just as the other builds do. Just please do not delude yourselves into thinking you can enter an area your build is not made to handle and think to dominate those who have built for that area.
This proves you do not even understand the point of a power leveler build. High-end PvP IS our area. If I only wanted a good win/loss ratio with minimal loss, I would've played a boring 15/10 build and stay under the gauntlet. However, as a power leveler, I have ambitions. I don't want to restrict myself to 1% of the Castle Age population. I want to compete with the 95% that aren't CC users. This has been my goal since the beginning. I actually DECIDED to go for a power leveler build because of that goal. It's simply the best option! Please do not think that your lowly 120/120 build will be able to compete with us power levelers once you reach the gauntlet. That will just never happen, because as you say, it is not your area!

Dr Devious
06-22-2010, 02:45 PM
So, there are level 400+ non-cc power levelers, who can level up pretty much instantly after one stamina/energy refill. I'm interested, what is the actual combined att+def of such builds. Has any non-cc power leveler managed to break for example combined att+def 2000?

well it's hard to say who uses cc and who doesn't but there are many players over 1000, when your that high you can farm fp without trying, 2000 att+def at 400+ no you cant have that high a bsi and still power level, not many pvp builds have reach 300,

RAUKO
06-22-2010, 03:28 PM
Just curious as I've always played without cc and my LSI is 4,62 and BSI 2,85 at level 531.

My combined att+def=1517, and combined 2000 seems still very far unless
I cut down my LSI a lot. For me one refill isn't enough for instant level up, as I usually lack 600-1000xp even after the refill. Solution would be two refills, but that means practically cc...

How many FPs could You farm with 2 refills + level up? If You can farm enough to keep it going - I like Your chances.

Dave O
06-22-2010, 03:34 PM
Just curious as I've always played without cc and my LSI is 4,62 and BSI 2,85 at level 531.

My combined att+def=1517, and combined 2000 seems still very far unless
I cut down my LSI a lot. For me one refill isn't enough for instant level up, as I usually lack 600-1000xp even after the refill. Solution would be two refills, but that means practically cc...

Well, the "trick" is to be able to gather enough 10 FP batches to cover the refills for the next level.

The "ideal" situation would be if you could gather 10 FP for each refill. This can't be done with Stamina, as 1000 Stamina will only get you 5-6 FP and Stamina refills are "capped" at 1000. That is why many are turning to Energy, which seems to not be capped (or at least the cap is >2000). Combining enough Energy with Defense, theoretically will get your there -- just not sure of how much of each is required.

Of course once you are able to collect 10 FP for each refill, the sky is the limit (pending monster availability); and ALL other SP can go into ATT/DEF from that point onward.

Eric Suen
06-22-2010, 03:52 PM
When should I start consider refill, so far I'm lvl 147 with 229/243(Energy/Stamina), obviously not worth it because I can afford 10FP/level

Eric Suen
06-22-2010, 03:57 PM
as 1000 Stamina will only get you 5-6 FP and Stamina refills are "capped" at 1000.
If 1000 Stamina able to get 5-6FP, and refills you get another 1000 stamina, means you get another 5-6 FP, isn't that enough FP for one level?

Dave O
06-22-2010, 04:19 PM
If 1000 Stamina able to get 5-6FP, and refills you get another 1000 stamina, means you get another 5-6 FP, isn't that enough FP for one level?

Yes -- until you need more than 1 refill to level ...

Dr Devious
06-22-2010, 04:50 PM
Yes -- until you need more than 1 refill to level ...

there no cap on level up refill so there's nothing stopping you from having more then a 1000 stamina or 2000 energy which means it's possible to farm a lot more then ten fp at level up compensating for the sort full from refills,

Lord Dufduf
06-22-2010, 06:21 PM
At your current level, at or better then 200 levels above my own current level, you amount to little better then a pinata placed in plain sight. ...
So while you are apparently content with the idea of acting the Troll against people thousands of levels below you in some delusional effort to prove yourselves superior because you can defeat only those people many thousands of levels below your own.
...
I have nothing against power levelers, they have their place and role on CA just as the other builds do. Just please do not delude yourselves into thinking you can enter an area your build is not made to handle and think to dominate those who have built for that area. ....

If today you start an alt and slow level him. Today I start an alt and power level him. Once you hit the gauntlet I will completely destroy your PVP build. The build that is made for the area, as you like to say.

It is not about picking on people 1000 levels below. If you are 1000 levels below then: It's your fault. We started AT THE SAME TIME !!!!

So if we start at the same time, that means slow leveling is a losing ideal in the long run. PVP wins in the short run. PL loses in the short run. We don't care about the short run, we only care about the long run. We don't care about BSI. We don't care if we got 20% wins on the battle page. All we care about is dominating in the long run. Period. You and all other slow leveling PVPers WILL be completely and totally dominated, it is a mathematical certainty. We will out PVP the PVPers. As well as exponential amount to loot, and a steady flow of FPs.

You have missed the point of what we are doing completely.

Theogony_IX
06-22-2010, 06:23 PM
It may be a good idea for whoever started the thread *cough,igtenos*, to compile the important information discussed in this thread and organize it in the OP, so when someone who's never heard of power-leveling comes along they don't have to sift through pages and pages of discussion and argument to get the information they need. A step by step guide that takes someone through the process of building a power-leveler, maintaining a power-leveler, staying efficient, all the why's and wherefore's associated with power-leveling . . . There's a lot that goes into it, and like I said, I made some mistakes. They weren't horrendously detrimental, only inefficient, but we could help others avoid the those mistakes. Take farm-based power-leveling and turn it into a science.

EliYahu
06-22-2010, 06:42 PM
i can farm far more than just 5-6 fp on 1k stm, i currently farm 10-20 easy. The trick is fighting easier monsters that require less stm input to reap the fp rolls and die faster....as far as the pvp goes, once a high stm person has someone they can defeat, they can continue launching attacks, which earns more WP/BP/AP and gets you to max rank faster...i should know, i'm high king for 6 months now, and legend from arena, and i just started last night on the war thing and im rank 7 almost rank 8 already...i only have 1050ish atk

EliYahu
06-22-2010, 06:44 PM
people with high stm tend to get caught up launching 500 stm into one monster instead of spreading it out on 10 smaller ones to farm the fp...in either case, having the stm is foundational to have that choice of how and where to spend it. first you must get the 750+ stm to really see the success of the farm build. I have almost 900 stm now

Dave O
06-23-2010, 01:46 AM
i can farm far more than just 5-6 fp on 1k stm, i currently farm 10-20 easy. The trick is fighting easier monsters that require less stm input to reap the fp rolls and die faster....

hmmm ... having a difficult time believing this claim. How exactly are you getting 10-20 FP from 1000 Stamina? Which monsters are you farming and how much damage / many attacks are you conducting on each?

Patrick D
06-23-2010, 01:51 AM
hmmm ... having a difficult time believing this claim. How exactly are you getting 10-20 FP from 1000 Stamina? Which monsters are you farming and how much damage / many attacks are you conducting on each?

5-6 FP is a bit low though, I also get more than that. Dragons give 6 FP and Ancient Serpents can give up to 16 FP per 1000 STA.

EpiQC
06-23-2010, 01:51 AM
I don't know.. if he has 600 attack he can probably get as many FPs from serpents as I can with 2000 energy and 600 defense.

Ninja'd. Sea serpents are the way to go after you do the switch towards attack/defense.

Dave O
06-23-2010, 02:06 AM
5-6 FP is a bit low though, I also get more than that. Dragons give 6 FP and Ancient Serpents can give up to 16 FP per 1000 STA.

"can"??? ... sure they "can", so "can" dragons -- but it isn't consistent. I do not have 1000 Attack yet, so dumping Stamina on Serpents isn't something I've done much of yet. But, if you are getting 16 FP per 1000 Stamina, I'm surprised anyone even messes around with dragons ... the helm perhaps?

Draconus
06-23-2010, 02:11 AM
It's a fairly simple matter of Viewpoint. You see the act of defeating people hundreds, even thousands below your own level as being a sign of strength. While I see it as the actions of cowards. You lack the courage or skill to face those on an equal footing, those within your level range. While I regularly target those above my range and level. Arena showed me that I was quite capable of defeating 75% or more of the people up to 100 levels above me at the time. In the next Arena, I fully expect to be attacking and defeating players 150 to 200 levels above my own. By the time I reach level 300, the odds are better then good that you, with your much vaunted Power Leveling build, will need to be not less then level 1000 to have a chance against my level 300. If, by the time you have reached level 1000, you are then capable of defeating those of level 1500 and above. That is something I would call strength and gladly tip my hat to you. But to apparently take pride, as a measure of your strength, by defeating a player half or less your own level. That requires no strength and holds no honor. That is the act of a base coward.

At nearly 3X my level already, yet by the stats shown so far you cannot defeat me even now, what could possibly make you think you would stand the slightest chance against those who already have those massive levels of 1000 and more. The people who first started playing CA when CA first started. I know that Orlando has an attack stat of about 4500, I don't know his defense stat. I figure it safe to consider that by the time you finally catch him with your 5 levels gained every day, 7 days a week, by then my grandchildren will be playing CA while their own children are in school.

Most Power Levelers lose interest in CA entirely due to the simple matter of not being able to compete in PvP while still qualifying as a power leveler. They find themselves being constantly pounded by those of their current level while lacking the strength to retaliate. They get tired of being able to kill almost any monster in only a very few minutes, yet other players dozens, even hundreds of levels below them can and do pound them into the ground daily. As I said before, so long as you keep your battle rank extremely low, then you are mostly safe from those within your level range aside from the few that are going to hit anything if only to get the daily demi points. You have a very long way to go before you will have a 1000 level advantage over everyone else. I don't need a 1000 level advantage. I don't need a 5 level advantage. By the time I reach level 300, I shall be safe from attack from something close to 90% of all of the players up to level 600. That is quite a healthy percentage of the total population of CA. I don't expect to be able to defeat everyone all at once. I only need to be able to defeat most of those likely to find my name, or me find their name, on a battle page. Whether that amounts to 51%, or 99% makes no difference to me. I measure my strength against those above my level and rank. And that is the difference between us. I measure my strength against those who have access to the same and more stat points then I have, while you take pride in kicking puppies, but only after you make sure those puppies don't have their eyes open yet. If one of them could see you, they might bite you. And then you would surely lose against that small little puppy.

Eric Suen
06-23-2010, 02:25 AM
I got 1FP, 1 energy potion and 2 demi-points from cronus by doing about 600k damage, is cronus good for farming or I'm lucky?

Dr Devious
06-23-2010, 02:41 AM
It's a fairly simple matter of Viewpoint. You see the act of defeating people hundreds, even thousands below your own level as being a sign of strength. While I see it as the actions of cowards. You lack the courage or skill to face those on an equal footing, those within your level range. While I regularly target those above my range and level. Arena showed me that I was quite capable of defeating 75% or more of the people up to 100 levels above me at the time. In the next Arena, I fully expect to be attacking and defeating players 150 to 200 levels above my own. By the time I reach level 300, the odds are better then good that you, with your much vaunted Power Leveling build, will need to be not less then level 1000 to have a chance against my level 300. If, by the time you have reached level 1000, you are then capable of defeating those of level 1500 and above. That is something I would call strength and gladly tip my hat to you. But to apparently take pride, as a measure of your strength, by defeating a player half or less your own level. That requires no strength and holds no honor. That is the act of a base coward.

At nearly 3X my level already, yet by the stats shown so far you cannot defeat me even now, what could possibly make you think you would stand the slightest chance against those who already have those massive levels of 1000 and more. The people who first started playing CA when CA first started. I know that Orlando has an attack stat of about 4500, I don't know his defense stat. I figure it safe to consider that by the time you finally catch him with your 5 levels gained every day, 7 days a week, by then my grandchildren will be playing CA while their own children are in school.

Most Power Levelers lose interest in CA entirely due to the simple matter of not being able to compete in PvP while still qualifying as a power leveler. They find themselves being constantly pounded by those of their current level while lacking the strength to retaliate. They get tired of being able to kill almost any monster in only a very few minutes, yet other players dozens, even hundreds of levels below them can and do pound them into the ground daily. As I said before, so long as you keep your battle rank extremely low, then you are mostly safe from those within your level range aside from the few that are going to hit anything if only to get the daily demi points. You have a very long way to go before you will have a 1000 level advantage over everyone else. I don't need a 1000 level advantage. I don't need a 5 level advantage. By the time I reach level 300, I shall be safe from attack from something close to 90% of all of the players up to level 600. That is quite a healthy percentage of the total population of CA. I don't expect to be able to defeat everyone all at once. I only need to be able to defeat most of those likely to find my name, or me find their name, on a battle page. Whether that amounts to 51%, or 99% makes no difference to me. I measure my strength against those above my level and rank. And that is the difference between us. I measure my strength against those who have access to the same and more stat points then I have, while you take pride in kicking puppies, but only after you make sure those puppies don't have their eyes open yet. If one of them could see you, they might bite you. And then you would surely lose against that small little puppy.

the weakness of your build is slow levelling brackets hide that weakness see in the gauntlet, and stop writing crap if you want to talk about builds ok but what's with all this puppy ****?

Fynn
06-23-2010, 02:47 AM
WOW...the hostility between some people here is amazing. Every build has its strengths and weakness. There isn't an all round superman superfast build. Arguing it here with such vehemence is ummm..well..juvenile. Play the game the way you want to. PvP, PvM. Hybrid..whatever rocks your boat.

But to argue and say your build is better (or the best)? That's just plain dumb.

RAUKO
06-23-2010, 02:55 AM
WOW...the hostility between some people here is amazing. Every build has its strengths and weakness. There isn't an all round superman superfast build. Arguing it here with such vehemence is ummm..well..juvenile. Play the game the way you want to. PvP, PvM. Hybrid..whatever rocks your boat.

But to argue and say your build is better (or the best)? That's just plain dumb.

It is a way of this forum. Old school PvP builds were trashing monster hunters for months. Seems that power levelers with PvP intentions are not willing to suffer the same treatment.

As long as discussion contains no vulgarity I think passion is good.

Dr Devious
06-23-2010, 03:10 AM
WOW...the hostility between some people here is amazing. Every build has its strengths and weakness. There isn't an all round superman superfast build. Arguing it here with such vehemence is ummm..well..juvenile. Play the game the way you want to. PvP, PvM. Hybrid..whatever rocks your boat.

But to argue and say your build is better (or the best)? That's just plain dumb.

i think draconus is trying to get this thread closed he doesn't want a debate about builds, he never replies to anything you say he just writes silly statements,

Theogony_IX
06-23-2010, 03:40 AM
Draconus, you're arguing a point that doesn't show a whole lot of sense, just stubbornness. It seems to me that when a power-leveler can get to a place where they can farm 10FP with each refill semi-consistently, they'll then be able to dump all their skill-points into att/def. Sooner or later they're gonna catch up, and even pass some PvP builds. Now of course they're going to have a disadvantage to those who have been playing the game since it started. Everyone has a disadvantage to them, there is no way anyone will ever gain an advantage over them . . . ever. However, on the same token, you're right. Level for level, a power-leveler will never beat a patient, dedicated PvPer, but most people are hunting monsters these days, and I can say that because my hybrid build beats almost everyone it comes across in a duel, and it's BSI is 3.6. The reality of castle age has changed. There is no way to ever be the best at castle age in all areas. If a monster hunter wants to deal the most damage it can, it needs to keep it's stamina 50 points over it's attack at all times. No dedicated PvP build would ever do that. Now with defense based energy bars, those players who pumped the hell out of their attack and left their defense relatively low will never be able to compete with an energy/defense power-leveler. Does your PvP build?

I don't have much interest in kicking puppies, full-grown pitt bulls, or anything else for that matter unless it gets me something. That hybrid build I made went mid-percentage Hero in the Arena and only because my army was 98 at the time. Hard to keep the 501 Chase guys off me . . . hard to keep the 200's off me. If I'd known they were doing an arena, I'd have had an army of 501 and Chase. Now that I know, I'm building my army. Now, If I have to kick a puppy to get Zarevok's Meat Cleaver because I'm not strong enough to take on a full-grown pit, then sorry puppy, but you're going down.

My point is this. You can't take on the pit bull, and knock the crap out of Azriel at the same time, but if their's some way to kick Azzy's butt and take on the pit's teen-age younger brother . . . and do it fast. I'll settle for that. And that is a power-leveler.

Dave O
06-23-2010, 03:41 AM
You lack the courage or skill to face those on an equal footing, those within your level range.

The equal footing is the time you've played the game -- what can be more equal than that? You have chosen the path that you are on -- don't fault others who have chosen a faster path that gets them where they want to be in a matter of months rather than years.

RAUKO
06-23-2010, 03:45 AM
The equal footing is the time you've played the game -- what can be more equal than that? You have chosen the path that you are on -- don't fault others who have chosen a faster path that gets them where they want to be in a matter of months rather than years.

Dave, that is something some players can not comprehend. They are bracketed. Levels are unit by which they measure. The rest is irrelevant.

Good thing is Gauntlet settles that for everybody.

EpiQC
06-23-2010, 04:41 AM
You see the act of defeating people hundreds, even thousands below your own level as being a sign of strength.
No, I see the act of defeating people who have been playing for weeks, even months before me as being a sign of strength (strategy would be a better word here).


You lack the courage or skill to face those on an equal footing, those within your level range.
I have the skill required to catch up with those far above my level, outlevel them, and beat them at their own game. I don't pray on weaklings who are still learning the game in bracketed levels just for the heck of it. That would be the cowardly behavior.

I set myself a goal, such as being able to defeat Defyeler, Luxor, or any other player who has been playing the game for a lot longer than me, opt for the best strategy to achieve that goal, which would be power leveling, if you haven't guessed already, and work towards achieving that goal. And then I pick a new goal.


While I regularly target those above my range and level. Arena showed me that I was quite capable of defeating 75% or more of the people up to 100 levels above me at the time. In the next Arena, I fully expect to be attacking and defeating players 150 to 200 levels above my own.
That's because you stay low level for such a long time that all other players outlevel you and your competition only consists of a bunch of new players, most of which are probably only interested in monster hunting at that moment. I could play a level 11 build with 50 BSI and call it fair play too.


By the time I reach level 300, the odds are better then good that you, with your much vaunted Power Leveling build, will need to be not less then level 1000 to have a chance against my level 300.
Duh, that's how the build works. It doesn't matter if I'm 300 levels higher than you, if I spent those 300 levels increasing my energy/stamina stats. Those don't help a bit in PvP; 300 levels worth of nothing as far as PvP is concerned can't be used as a measure of power. They have absolutely no mean whatsoever. You can't calculate one's strength based on their level. A level 200 PvP player who has been playing for 6 months isn't as strong as a level 200 PvP player who has been playing for 1 year and a half. To tell you the truth, the cowardly player (personally I don't believe in any form of cowardly behavior on a browser-based game, but whatever) would be the PvP player preying on low level power levelers passing by who are still on their way towards increasing their energy/stamina and aren't touching their attack/defense yet. That would be the same as attacking a level 1 player. Both have 1/1 attack/defense.


At nearly 3X my level already, yet by the stats shown so far you cannot defeat me even now, what could possibly make you think you would stand the slightest chance against those who already have those massive levels of 1000 and more. The people who first started playing CA when CA first started. I know that Orlando has an attack stat of about 4500, I don't know his defense stat. I figure it safe to consider that by the time you finally catch him with your 5 levels gained every day, 7 days a week, by then my grandchildren will be playing CA while their own children are in school.
Let's just say that Orlando isn't one of the first players of Castle Age. Plus, he's a CC user. Those are out of the competition. They're not level 1500 because they have found the absolute best strategy. They are because they're pulling the money. If you wanna talk about real competition, then mention players like Luxor, Mursilis, Ragnar, whatever. Yes, I intend to beat them all one day. That's what the build is made for.


nonsense bs
By the time my level 11 character with 50+ BSI reach level 300, it shall be safe from attacks from something close to 100% players up to level 14000.

EpiQC
06-23-2010, 04:45 AM
It is a way of this forum. Old school PvP builds were trashing monster hunters for months. Seems that power levelers with PvP intentions are not willing to suffer the same treatment.

As long as discussion contains no vulgarity I think passion is good.
And they still are. Or complaining and whining. Just look at Jehann's posts (any, pretty much). :rolleyes:

Anyway, +1!

RAUKO
06-23-2010, 05:30 AM
And they still are. Or complaining and whining. Just look at Jehann's posts (any, pretty much). :rolleyes:

Anyway, +1!

I avoid quoting and commenting Her posts. It is always "limit stamina usage and/or refills". There is no point to debate. I understand that Her character is lost in CA now, unable to participate in 90% of the game, so...

At least She admitted that She enjoys chaining PLs that pass Her by. Enough said about "equal footing" - PvPing against players that started year later:rolleyes:

EpiQC
06-23-2010, 05:43 AM
Yeah.. Well on another note, I'm finally done with all the unlocked quests! Woot! Still need collect demi points and make a map. :p

DarkTyrany22
06-23-2010, 05:47 AM
I got 1FP, 1 energy potion and 2 demi-points from cronus by doing about 600k damage, is cronus good for farming or I'm lucky?

Cronus is bad for farming if only for the fact that it is a notoriously bad battle for exp.

RAUKO
06-23-2010, 05:52 AM
Yeah.. Well on another note, I'm finally done with all the unlocked quests! Woot! Still need collect demi points and make a map. :p
1.4k Aurora's demis more and I am done (without ever praying to her). Wondering will Atlantis boss and sub-quests happen before that?

edit:NNJD

Patrick D
06-23-2010, 08:56 AM
"can"??? ... sure they "can", so "can" dragons -- but it isn't consistent. I do not have 1000 Attack yet, so dumping Stamina on Serpents isn't something I've done much of yet. But, if you are getting 16 FP per 1000 Stamina, I'm surprised anyone even messes around with dragons ... the helm perhaps?

Or perhaps because they can't find enough ancient serpents but still need monsters to level? And I was talking about 16 FP per 1000 stamina on average, not just once in a blue moon.

Dr Devious
06-23-2010, 09:15 AM
level 400= 1,000,000 total xp thats a lot of 20/35 quest lol

Dave O
06-23-2010, 10:21 AM
Or perhaps because they can't find enough ancient serpents but still need monsters to level? And I was talking about 16 FP per 1000 stamina on average, not just once in a blue moon.

How very interesting ... wonder why so many of the serpent battles that I see fail?

On another note, I've finally taken a look at my dragon data -- still not enough to quantify percentages; but I have come up with the following numbers taken from Red Dragons expending 30-40 STA on each and using Morrigan as the General. My Attack/Defense remained constant throughout the data gathering and my equipment used was nearly constant as well.

From 40 Ancient Red Dragons -- expending 30-40 PA's on each:

I am averaging 5.45 Favor Points per 1000 Stamina (200 Power Attacks) expended. (This rate falls off if one expends more than ~70 PA's per dragon.)

Interestingly enough I am averaging around 25% conversion rate from demi slot into FP slot; which is more than the 20% I've seen reported. (I included Demi-points, Favor Points, and Energy Potions as "demi-slots" for the calculations.)

~15% of all Demi-slots were converted into 1 Favor Point slots;
~10% of all Demi-slots were converted into 2 Favor Point slots.

These conversion rates have been fairly consistent throughout my data gathering; but again, do not match the reported 50% of all FP slots are 2 FP slots -- I am only showing 40%.

Yes, I know the sample size is too small -- but it is still interesting ...

Patrick D
06-23-2010, 10:41 AM
How very interesting ... wonder why so many of the serpent battles that I see fail?

I have never been in a serpent battle that failed, I will do more damage if it gets critical but so far almost never needed to do that.

40 PA on dragons is just as good as 30 PA btw, try doing 30 PA only and you will average 6 FP I'm sure. As for conversion rate and 50/50 1 vs 2 FP, your results fall easily within the error margin of your sample size.

Dave O
06-23-2010, 10:53 AM
40 PA on dragons is just as good as 30 PA btw, try doing 30 PA only and you will average 6 FP I'm sure. As for conversion rate and 50/50 1 vs 2 FP, your results fall easily within the error margin of your sample size.

Yep, have to agree with you here (again).

The 40 PA's were mostly while I was collecting the dragons for Achievement -- needed 40 PA for ~104K on the critter. After getting the Grand Dragon Slayer, I've dropped down to 30 PA's and agree, the results are VERY similar to the 40 PA data.

I have a few that were critical where I was dumping much more STA into them to kill them (did not include them in the analysis, because they would skew the data too much) -- but from them, I was only avg 1.5 FP for every 1000 STA expended. :o

Thanks again for your help. :)

Dr Devious
06-23-2010, 11:18 AM
How very interesting ... wonder why so many of the serpent battles that I see fail?

On another note, I've finally taken a look at my dragon data -- still not enough to quantify percentages; but I have come up with the following numbers taken from Red Dragons expending 30-40 STA on each and using Morrigan as the General. My Attack/Defense remained constant throughout the data gathering and my equipment used was nearly constant as well.

From 40 Ancient Red Dragons -- expending 30-40 PA's on each:

I am averaging 5.45 Favor Points per 1000 Stamina (200 Power Attacks) expended. (This rate falls off if one expends more than ~70 PA's per dragon.)

Interestingly enough I am averaging around 25% conversion rate from demi slot into FP slot; which is more than the 20% I've seen reported. (I included Demi-points, Favor Points, and Energy Potions as "demi-slots" for the calculations.)

~15% of all Demi-slots were converted into 1 Favor Point slots;
~10% of all Demi-slots were converted into 2 Favor Point slots.

These conversion rates have been fairly consistent throughout my data gathering; but again, do not match the reported 50% of all FP slots are 2 FP slots -- I am only showing 40%.

Yes, I know the sample size is too small -- but it is still interesting ...

i find number crunching a bit pointless to many variable's, i get a lot more fp killing fresh serpents posted on the forum then i do from older ones, quick kills really makes a big difference to fp%,

Patrick D
06-23-2010, 11:56 AM
i find number crunching a bit pointless to many variable's, i get a lot more fp killing fresh serpents posted on the forum then i do from older ones, quick kills really makes a big difference to fp%,

Well, you can't make such a claim if you don't have the numbers to back it up. ;) I wouldn't draw any conclusions based on my gut feeling because that's just bound to go wrong. To give an example, I often see people shout in the chatlog that you need to kill a serpent with a fully fortified bar for better loot and FP. :rolleyes: It's just a form of superstition, but I am not going to accommodate their false beliefs.

Eric Suen
06-23-2010, 01:20 PM
Where can I find these data for serpent? for dragon I know it's 20PA, 30 PA, 60PA, I have killed 3 serpents in 2 days by doing about 600k damage and got no FP, lots of DP though...

Doiron
06-23-2010, 03:01 PM
i find number crunching a bit pointless to many variable's, i get a lot more fp killing fresh serpents posted on the forum then i do from older ones, quick kills really makes a big difference to fp%,

the most often repeated myth. the devs have even come out and said it doesn't work like that.

Dr Devious
06-23-2010, 05:15 PM
the most often repeated myth. the devs have even come out and said it doesn't work like that.

I'm talking from first hand experience, it could be coincidence but i do tend to get more fp when monster die quick,

Patrick D
06-23-2010, 09:18 PM
I'm talking from first hand experience, it could be coincidence but i do tend to get more fp when monster die quick,

Do you actually have any numbers to compare? If not your first hand experience doesn't proof anything. I have never noticed any difference between fast and slow kills myself, and I'm talking from first hand experience as well. And I also remember the devs saying that it doesn't matter how fast you kill a monster, it can be found in a thread somewhere on this forum but forgot which one.

Draconus
06-24-2010, 05:42 AM
i think draconus is trying to get this thread closed he doesn't want a debate about builds, he never replies to anything you say he just writes silly statements,

I've attempted to debate within this thread any number of times, and attempted to learn and understand the the purpose and or pleasure behind power leveling. What responses I've received were delusional expectations of ultimate power via power leveling. As I, and others, have stated many times, there is no one build style, hybrid or dedicated, that accomplishes everything CA has to offer at 100%. There is no one perfect build.

PvP dedicated builds level slowly, even extremely slowly. In exchange for that slowness they receive the benefits of exceptional strength in PvP as well as the ability to do massive damage or healing (as the case may be) in monster battles compared to the amount of stamina or energy expended. PvP builds often work best for those having limited or erratic online time or schedules. A level 100 PvP build will often do as much damage per attack as most Monster Hunter builds of level 200 or even more. They just can't make as many attacks at a time or in a row.

Power Levelers gain levels extremely quickly, but in exchange for that they are extremely weak in PvP (as compared to others within their level range). As well as until they reach much higher levels they deal much less damage per attack, or healing, for the stamina or energy expended. A level 200 Power Leveler might not do any more damage per attack then a level 50 Monster Hunter build. But they can and do make many more attacks. PL builds work best for those with extended online time and or schedules, enabling them to enter and complete any number of battles. Only limited by the number of battles they can find that still have open attacker slots in the proper level range.

PvP builds measure themselves against others in and above their level and rank for PvP purposes. While PL builds can seldom compete in PvP against anyone not of much lower in level then their own. A level 100 Monster Hunter with an army of 250 can invade and defeat most PL builds of level 150 having a 501 army that is fully equipped.

Monster Hunter builds fall (depending upon the desires and schedule of the player) somewhere in between these 2 for damage done per attack and number of attacks in a row.

Each build has it's strengths and weaknesses. Each build has it's purpose and use in CA. Working together they can all accomplish a very great deal in a very short time. Working at odds with each other, or even attempting to compete against each other, is the utmost in futility and delusion. The PvP build can do massive damage compared to his level, but will soon run out of stamina and or energy. The PL build will need to make 3, 4, even 5 or more times the number of attacks in order to accomplish the same total amount of damage. But the PL build will have the stamina and or energy to make those extra attacks. While the MH builds will land somewhere in between the 2 extremes.

Draconus
06-24-2010, 06:01 AM
Do you actually have any numbers to compare? If not your first hand experience doesn't proof anything. I have never noticed any difference between fast and slow kills myself, and I'm talking from first hand experience as well. And I also remember the devs saying that it doesn't matter how fast you kill a monster, it can be found in a thread somewhere on this forum but forgot which one.

I recall mention of a comment made to the effect of the monster life (total time until killed) as not mattering. But my own experience as well has been that faster kills tended to give better drops. With battles that went extended times tending to give loot lists more heavily loaded with demi points and basically piddly items like earth shards and rusty gloves.

In any case it matters little, if nothing else the faster that monster dies means the sooner you can collect your loot and head off in search of the next monster. That alone should count as excellent incentive.

eaglepeeps
06-24-2010, 10:55 AM
how do you farm a dragon, from where, I found the 35/20 quest, but no sign of a dragon...

Sloth Demon
06-24-2010, 11:19 AM
how do you farm a dragon, from where, I found the 35/20 quest, but no sign of a dragon...

Dragons are monsters, either summoned by you or one of your friends.

vanderhevel
06-24-2010, 12:31 PM
i have 430 energy and 300 stamina, im level 154.

idk where to go stamina powerleveling or energy, its a tough choice cause both seem fun.

Tommo13
06-24-2010, 12:46 PM
Ok guys heres myguy

level 62

energy 506
stamina 10
attack 3
defense 9
health 100

do i just pump all sp into energy till 2000?
if so how do i obtain 30 x5 pa attacks on a dragon to fuel my fp refills?

Sorry I read first 10 pages and couldnt find answers

hope you can help

Patrick D
06-24-2010, 01:08 PM
I've attempted to debate within this thread any number of times, and attempted to learn and understand the the purpose and or pleasure behind power leveling. What responses I've received were delusional expectations of ultimate power via power leveling. As I, and others, have stated many times, there is no one build style, hybrid or dedicated, that accomplishes everything CA has to offer at 100%. There is no one perfect build.

PvP dedicated builds level slowly, even extremely slowly. In exchange for that slowness they receive the benefits of exceptional strength in PvP as well as the ability to do massive damage or healing (as the case may be) in monster battles compared to the amount of stamina or energy expended. PvP builds often work best for those having limited or erratic online time or schedules. A level 100 PvP build will often do as much damage per attack as most Monster Hunter builds of level 200 or even more. They just can't make as many attacks at a time or in a row.

Power Levelers gain levels extremely quickly, but in exchange for that they are extremely weak in PvP (as compared to others within their level range). As well as until they reach much higher levels they deal much less damage per attack, or healing, for the stamina or energy expended. A level 200 Power Leveler might not do any more damage per attack then a level 50 Monster Hunter build. But they can and do make many more attacks. PL builds work best for those with extended online time and or schedules, enabling them to enter and complete any number of battles. Only limited by the number of battles they can find that still have open attacker slots in the proper level range.

PvP builds measure themselves against others in and above their level and rank for PvP purposes. While PL builds can seldom compete in PvP against anyone not of much lower in level then their own. A level 100 Monster Hunter with an army of 250 can invade and defeat most PL builds of level 150 having a 501 army that is fully equipped.

Monster Hunter builds fall (depending upon the desires and schedule of the player) somewhere in between these 2 for damage done per attack and number of attacks in a row.

Each build has it's strengths and weaknesses. Each build has it's purpose and use in CA. Working together they can all accomplish a very great deal in a very short time. Working at odds with each other, or even attempting to compete against each other, is the utmost in futility and delusion. The PvP build can do massive damage compared to his level, but will soon run out of stamina and or energy. The PL build will need to make 3, 4, even 5 or more times the number of attacks in order to accomplish the same total amount of damage. But the PL build will have the stamina and or energy to make those extra attacks. While the MH builds will land somewhere in between the 2 extremes.

And again, you show that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. :rolleyes: PL builds will and can excel in PvP (without CC), if you know what you're doing and how to go about it. Within a few months I can beat all non-CC PvP builds like yours, even if they started playing many months before me. I know it may be hard to admit for you, but it's just the truth. The only people who will be able to beat me at PvP are CC users or PL builds similar to mine.

Dr Devious
06-24-2010, 02:04 PM
I've attempted to debate within this thread any number of times, and attempted to learn and understand the the purpose and or pleasure behind power leveling. What responses I've received were delusional expectations of ultimate power via power leveling. As I, and others, have stated many times, there is no one build style, hybrid or dedicated, that accomplishes everything CA has to offer at 100%. There is no one perfect build.

PvP dedicated builds level slowly, even extremely slowly. In exchange for that slowness they receive the benefits of exceptional strength in PvP as well as the ability to do massive damage or healing (as the case may be) in monster battles compared to the amount of stamina or energy expended. PvP builds often work best for those having limited or erratic online time or schedules. A level 100 PvP build will often do as much damage per attack as most Monster Hunter builds of level 200 or even more. They just can't make as many attacks at a time or in a row.

Power Levelers gain levels extremely quickly, but in exchange for that they are extremely weak in PvP (as compared to others within their level range). As well as until they reach much higher levels they deal much less damage per attack, or healing, for the stamina or energy expended. A level 200 Power Leveler might not do any more damage per attack then a level 50 Monster Hunter build. But they can and do make many more attacks. PL builds work best for those with extended online time and or schedules, enabling them to enter and complete any number of battles. Only limited by the number of battles they can find that still have open attacker slots in the proper level range.

PvP builds measure themselves against others in and above their level and rank for PvP purposes. While PL builds can seldom compete in PvP against anyone not of much lower in level then their own. A level 100 Monster Hunter with an army of 250 can invade and defeat most PL builds of level 150 having a 501 army that is fully equipped.

Monster Hunter builds fall (depending upon the desires and schedule of the player) somewhere in between these 2 for damage done per attack and number of attacks in a row.

Each build has it's strengths and weaknesses. Each build has it's purpose and use in CA. Working together they can all accomplish a very great deal in a very short time. Working at odds with each other, or even attempting to compete against each other, is the utmost in futility and delusion. The PvP build can do massive damage compared to his level, but will soon run out of stamina and or energy. The PL build will need to make 3, 4, even 5 or more times the number of attacks in order to accomplish the same total amount of damage. But the PL build will have the stamina and or energy to make those extra attacks. While the MH builds will land somewhere in between the 2 extremes.

Draconus look at the numbers

Dr devious started playing April has over 800 sp in a/d
Dracronus started playing december/09 has over 1300 sp in a/d

You can see in real time my pvp stats are growing faster then yours so if I知 weak for my level then your weaker in time played, when you get to the gauntlet most of the players who started when you did will be able to beat you, your ability to beat players 100 levels above as tricked you in to thinking your strong but in truth most of them like me started playing after you and are still levelling faster then you, your losing ground all time.

I知 now level 400 you need 1,000,000 total xp to get to 400, I知 guessing you have around 200,000 xp so without adding more s/e it will take you over 2 years to get here, if I level once a day in that time I値l be well over 800 levels above you, but at the moment I知 still levelling 3 to 4 times a day,

If you want to prove pvp builds are the strongest start a new one now and if it can beat me before I can beat you then I値l concede defeat, ;)

Dave O
06-24-2010, 03:05 PM
If you want to prove pvp builds are the strongest start a new one now and if it can beat me before I can beat you then I’ll concede defeat, ;)

@Draconus -

Or even better, start a Power Leveler on MySpace (fb would be better ... but I won't advocate multi-accounts) and see for yourself the true POWER of a power leveler. I think you may be surprised ... I know that I was. ;)

vanderhevel
06-24-2010, 03:23 PM
when you guys talk about hunting dragons, does that include bahamut and alpha? also, for them do you recommend doing a bunch of 5 stam attacks or is damage the most important thing for the bahamuts?

nubfru1t
06-24-2010, 03:43 PM
I believe they are talking about coloured dragons. Don't think anyone started researching into farming Bahamuts for FPs yet :p

tricker
06-24-2010, 03:57 PM
Bahumuts require too much energy/stamina to be a favorable FP farming dragon. Dragons are the best use of your stamina while your attack is low, Serpents are better for FPs once you get a higher amount of attack; however, serpents give worse exp/stamina than dragons do.

vanderhevel
06-24-2010, 04:41 PM
dragons are kinda hard to farm, every link i click and start attacking dies in like 2 minutes, i just try to get my 30 pas in. cause i only have 60 atk 450 energy and 320 stamina so i dont do a ton of damage.

i guess they are popular to hit though cause once someone posts one they drop like flies.

Lord Dufduf
06-24-2010, 06:01 PM
when you guys talk about hunting dragons, does that include bahamut and alpha? also, for them do you recommend doing a bunch of 5 stam attacks or is damage the most important thing for the bahamuts?

No. Emerald, Frost, Gold, red. The original basic ones. The ones found here.

http://castleage.wikidot.com/helm-of-dragon-power

and Sea Serpents.

These and ONLY these. We want FPs (Favor Points) that's it. Do about 150 stamina on them or so.

http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showthread.php?t=30977

Check out the above link.

Theogony_IX
06-24-2010, 06:08 PM
Ok guys heres myguy

level 62

energy 506
stamina 10
attack 3
defense 9
health 100

do i just pump all sp into energy till 2000?
if so how do i obtain 30 x5 pa attacks on a dragon to fuel my fp refills?

Sorry I read first 10 pages and couldnt find answers

hope you can help

Point and case in needing to update the OP with all the solid information in this thread.

Lord Dufduf
06-24-2010, 06:43 PM
Ok guys heres myguy

level 62

energy 506
stamina 10
attack 3
defense 9
health 100

do i just pump all sp into energy till 2000?
if so how do i obtain 30 x5 pa attacks on a dragon to fuel my fp refills?

Sorry I read first 10 pages and couldnt find answers

hope you can help

A outline is given at the bottom of the 300 rule see edit (link below) for both energy PLing and Stamina PLing. You CAN'T adequately farm dragons with energy only, you can farm sea serpents by fortifying. It might behoove you to get to 300 stamina (or at least 200) so you can farm both.

You will then need to decide to PL by way of stamina or energy, as the primary means, or a mixture of both. My energy is about 600 and then I'll up my stamina to 1000, that's my plan. I feel I can farm better with stamina. Can also gain war points and the such. But that is up to you.

With energy you can farm energy potion and such, and not capped at 2000 for a refill.

There are some minor points like if you do choose energy (seeing your already heading in that direction) 200 defense might be a detour in the PL plan you might consider.

Draconus
06-25-2010, 01:55 AM
Draconus look at the numbers

Dr devious started playing April has over 800 sp in a/d
Dracronus started playing december/09 has over 1300 sp in a/d

You can see in real time my pvp stats are growing faster then yours so if I知 weak for my level then your weaker in time played, when you get to the gauntlet most of the players who started when you did will be able to beat you, your ability to beat players 100 levels above as tricked you in to thinking your strong but in truth most of them like me started playing after you and are still levelling faster then you, your losing ground all time.

I知 now level 400 you need 1,000,000 total xp to get to 400, I知 guessing you have around 200,000 xp so without adding more s/e it will take you over 2 years to get here, if I level once a day in that time I値l be well over 800 levels above you, but at the moment I知 still levelling 3 to 4 times a day,

If you want to prove pvp builds are the strongest start a new one now and if it can beat me before I can beat you then I値l concede defeat, ;)

I am looking at the numbers, and you appear to still be blind to the point I have been making all along. Whether that blindness is due to intent, or some mental lack I cannot say.

If I were to go and find some level 20 or so player and proceed to pound them into the ground. Chaining them completely without mercy as it is certain I could do considering the difference between Mine and His or Her levels. That would not in any way qualify as proof of my strength. As a Power Leveler, the Only people you can consistently defeat in PvP are those of Much lower level then your own or those with a drastically smaller army (something like an army of 50 against your 501). In order for you to succeed at PvP, you are required to have hundreds, even thousands of levels above your intended target. With that kind of level advantage you aren't showing strength. Almost any Monster Hunter build within 100 levels of your own, currently, can easily pound you into bug dust by dueling even with using Strider or Penelope as their active general. And by invasion they would roll over you every bit as easily even if their army were little better then half the size as your own. You cannot compete against your own level, you certainly can't compete against anyone above your level. It isn't Strength to act the Troll and pound those who don't have those hundreds or thousands of levels. That is an act of Cowardice, plain and simple. When you find an opponent you cannot defeat, you run with your virtual tail between your legs and hope they don't catch you before you can gain another couple of hundred levels above them. There is no strength in those actions and there is no honor. And I for one have little use for those lacking in Honor. I could suggest a few friends for you, people who also lack any sense of Honor. But somehow I can't help but have the feeling they are already proud members of your army.

RAUKO
06-25-2010, 02:45 AM
There is no strength in those actions and there is no honor. And I for one have little use for those lacking in Honor. I could suggest a few friends for you, people who also lack any sense of Honor.

Shall I think of honour as lies?
Or lament it's aged slow demise? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brWdlQfkha4)

Keep pounding to the ground new players that reach Your level.

Keep the Honor that You gain through such behavior. Looks pretty hollow to me:rolleyes:

EpiQC
06-25-2010, 03:32 AM
You see the act of defeating people hundreds, even thousands below your own level as being a sign of strength.
No, I see the act of defeating people who have been playing for weeks, even months before me as being a sign of strength (strategy would be a better word here).


You lack the courage or skill to face those on an equal footing, those within your level range.
I have the skill required to catch up with those far above my level, outlevel them, and beat them at their own game. I don't prey on weaklings who are still learning the game in bracketed levels just for the heck of it. That would be the cowardly behavior.

I set myself a goal, such as being able to defeat Defyeler, Luxor, or any other player who has been playing the game for a lot longer than me, opt for the best strategy to achieve that goal, which would be power leveling, if you haven't guessed already, and work towards achieving that goal. And then I pick a new goal.


While I regularly target those above my range and level. Arena showed me that I was quite capable of defeating 75% or more of the people up to 100 levels above me at the time. In the next Arena, I fully expect to be attacking and defeating players 150 to 200 levels above my own.
That's because you stay low level for such a long time that all other players outlevel you and your competition only consists of a bunch of new players, most of which are probably only interested in monster hunting at that moment. I could play a level 11 build with 50 BSI and call it fair play too.


By the time I reach level 300, the odds are better then good that you, with your much vaunted Power Leveling build, will need to be not less then level 1000 to have a chance against my level 300.
Duh, that's how the build works. It doesn't matter if I'm 300 levels higher than you, if I spent those 300 levels increasing my energy/stamina stats. Those don't help a bit in PvP; 300 levels worth of nothing as far as PvP is concerned can't be used as a measure of power. They have absolutely no mean whatsoever. You can't calculate one's strength based on their level. A level 200 PvP player who has been playing for 6 months isn't as strong as a level 200 PvP player who has been playing for 1 year and a half. To tell you the truth, the cowardly player (personally I don't believe in any form of cowardly behavior on a browser-based game, but whatever) would be the PvP player preying on low level power levelers passing by who are still on their way towards increasing their energy/stamina and aren't touching their attack/defense yet. That would be the same as attacking a level 1 player. Both have 1/1 attack/defense.


At nearly 3X my level already, yet by the stats shown so far you cannot defeat me even now, what could possibly make you think you would stand the slightest chance against those who already have those massive levels of 1000 and more. The people who first started playing CA when CA first started. I know that Orlando has an attack stat of about 4500, I don't know his defense stat. I figure it safe to consider that by the time you finally catch him with your 5 levels gained every day, 7 days a week, by then my grandchildren will be playing CA while their own children are in school.
Let's just say that Orlando isn't one of the first players of Castle Age. Plus, he's a CC user. Those are out of the competition. They're not level 1500 because they have found the absolute best strategy. They are because they're pulling the money. If you wanna talk about real competition, then mention players like Luxor, Mursilis, Ragnar, whatever. Yes, I intend to beat them all one day. That's what the build is made for.


nonsense bs
By the time my level 11 character with 50+ BSI reaches level 300, it shall be safe from attacks from something close to 100% players up to level 14000. :rolleyes:

EpiQC
06-25-2010, 03:35 AM
PvP dedicated builds level slowly, even extremely slowly.
Assumptions. I'm a dedicated PvP build, and I level very fast.

tricker
06-25-2010, 03:40 AM
One of my apprentices is a Power Leveler, she just level 8 times in under an hour, without the use of Favor Points.

EpiQC: Assuming the game is still around, and there is no level cap, many players will be above level 14000, long before someone will have a level 300 character with a 50+ BSI.

EpiQC
06-25-2010, 03:45 AM
One of my apprentices is a Power Leveler, she just level 8 times in under an hour, without the use of Favor Points.

EpiQC: Assuming the game is still around, and there is no level cap, many players will be above level 14000, long before someone will have a level 300 character with a 50+ BSI.
Yep I know. Slow way fails. I should have added this smiley: :rolleyes:

tricker
06-25-2010, 03:49 AM
:rolleyes:

cwmsg
06-25-2010, 04:27 AM
Is my current build reasonable :
LV : 178
EN : 521
STA : 255
ATK : 480
DEF : 25
HP : 113(Gain from blessing of Aurora)

SP allocation :
-5SP gain from lv up all to EN
-SP gain from quest, monster list, battle and war rank all to atk(cannot estimate how much can get within one lv. But at least can get 2 SP.
- I can level up around 18 ~ 20hrs without doing 35/20 quest and use of FP refill and potion refill.

My planning :
- After unlock all demi quest, will stick with Malekus all time.
- 5SP gain from lv up all to EN.
- Def only gain from blessing, now 1300 point, still have 3000 point to go.

Hope that can reach 1k EN and 1k atk before lv 300.

EpiQC
06-25-2010, 04:41 AM
There's no synergy between energy and attack. I suggest energy+def, or stamina+attack. Or some kind of mix, such as energy+stamina+attack.

cwmsg
06-25-2010, 05:29 AM
Thank EpiQC.

If there is the case, I prefer atk + sta.

Dr Devious
06-25-2010, 10:12 AM
I am looking at the numbers, and you appear to still be blind to the point I have been making all along. Whether that blindness is due to intent, or some mental lack I cannot say.

If I were to go and find some level 20 or so player and proceed to pound them into the ground. Chaining them completely without mercy as it is certain I could do considering the difference between Mine and His or Her levels. That would not in any way qualify as proof of my strength. As a Power Leveler, the Only people you can consistently defeat in PvP are those of Much lower level then your own or those with a drastically smaller army (something like an army of 50 against your 501). In order for you to succeed at PvP, you are required to have hundreds, even thousands of levels above your intended target. With that kind of level advantage you aren't showing strength. Almost any Monster Hunter build within 100 levels of your own, currently, can easily pound you into bug dust by dueling even with using Strider or Penelope as their active general. And by invasion they would roll over you every bit as easily even if their army were little better then half the size as your own. You cannot compete against your own level, you certainly can't compete against anyone above your level. It isn't Strength to act the Troll and pound those who don't have those hundreds or thousands of levels. That is an act of Cowardice, plain and simple. When you find an opponent you cannot defeat, you run with your virtual tail between your legs and hope they don't catch you before you can gain another couple of hundred levels above them. There is no strength in those actions and there is no honor. And I for one have little use for those lacking in Honor. I could suggest a few friends for you, people who also lack any sense of Honor. But somehow I can't help but have the feeling they are already proud members of your army.

there are no honour stat points in this game so are we still debating builds? it seems you have lost the plot,

Dr Devious
06-25-2010, 01:16 PM
anyone got numbers for Skaar i hit one yesterday for 400 thousand just to finish it off, that's 100 stamina for me, i got 3 demi slot 3fp and an epic drop, i knew skaar drop fp quite offten but i was always doing over 1m damage, anyway would 4 to 5 hundred thousand be considered tagging?

Patrick D
06-25-2010, 02:02 PM
If I were to go and find some level 20 or so player and proceed to pound them into the ground. Chaining them completely without mercy as it is certain I could do considering the difference between Mine and His or Her levels. That would not in any way qualify as proof of my strength.

You can't even attack a level 20 player if you're a lot higher level yourself, that is because lvl 20 players are considered to be new to this game and it would be discouraging for those new players to be constantly beaten by those of much higher level and experience. Ofcourse you can just sit there and pray for months at level 20 and then chain all those noobs within your level bracket into the ground anyway, which would be completely fair and a proof of real strength according to your level bracket paradigm. :rolleyes:

No, that would obviously not be a fair competition and just shows you can beat up some noobs who have just started playing. I, on the other hand, will only compete against those who are level 300 and higher. Those people usually have been playing this game for many months if not more than a year, and they also knew that the gauntlet was coming and have chosen their own strategy to prepare for that moment. Would it be unfair of me to beat them just because I chose a better strategy to gather a lot of attack and defense in a shorter amount of time? And would you consider that more or less unfair than someone who purposely keeps his level low so they can beat those within their own level bracket who are almost all newer to the game than himself?


As a Power Leveler, the Only people you can consistently defeat in PvP are those of Much lower level then your own or those with a drastically smaller army (something like an army of 50 against your 501). In order for you to succeed at PvP, you are required to have hundreds, even thousands of levels above your intended target.

WRONG. Get this through your thick skull for once, when I am level 1000 I will have a combined attack and defense of over 4k. Do you really believe I won't be able to compete against people of my own level then or even those who are of higher level than me? You want to make a bet with me that I can beat at least 90% of all people around my level with those stats? You must be really delusional to think that with those stats I would be required to reach down hundreds of levels to succeed at PvP.

Patrick D
06-25-2010, 02:15 PM
anyone got numbers for Skaar i hit one yesterday for 400 thousand just to finish it off, that's 100 stamina for me, i got 3 demi slot 3fp and an epic drop, i knew skaar drop fp quite offten but i was always doing over 1m damage, anyway would 4 to 5 hundred thousand be considered tagging?

It depends I think, if Skaar is defeated well within the time limit I don't think 400-500k is a problem. But in a critical stage people rightfully get upset at those who have been doing less than 1M. I always do 500k and move up to 1M+ if it seems like it's getting close. Doing 400-500k doesn't always reward you with an epic though, but most of the time it does. 3 FP from one Skaar is a very lucky drop for you, as all three demi slots had to be converted to FP since Skaar can only give a max of 1 FP per demi slot.

Dr Devious
06-26-2010, 02:47 AM
It depends I think, if Skaar is defeated well within the time limit I don't think 400-500k is a problem. But in a critical stage people rightfully get upset at those who have been doing less than 1M. I always do 500k and move up to 1M+ if it seems like it's getting close. Doing 400-500k doesn't always reward you with an epic though, but most of the time it does. 3 FP from one Skaar is a very lucky drop for you, as all three demi slots had to be converted to FP since Skaar can only give a max of 1 FP per demi slot.

well i have i lot of fp atm so i'm going to check them out for a few levels i'm bored of serpents anyway, i just hit 15 of them at 500,000 plus so if i do 5 levels that's 75 hopefully i won't have to hit to many again, i'll keep track of fp and let you know, it may take a few days as they take longer to die,

kikukiku
06-26-2010, 03:35 AM
Hi, I think I'm gettin' stuck again.

LV83 with 313 Energy and 85 Stamina.

I've done 20PA each on several dragons and not get any FP yet.
So, I really have no idea how I can farm enough FP to refill more often
because I have only 8 FPs and haven't got more so far.

Also, I read EpiQC's strategy but I can't figure out how I farm 10 FPs at one level.
http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1195515&postcount=4

Please help me cuz now I gain a level in 10 hrs, so slow.

RAUKO
06-26-2010, 03:55 AM
Hi, I think I'm gettin' stuck again.

LV83 with 313 Energy and 85 Stamina.

I've done 20PA each on several dragons and not get any FP yet.
So, I really have no idea how I can farm enough FP to refill more often
because I have only 8 FPs and haven't got more so far.

Also, I read EpiQC's strategy but I can't figure out how I farm 10 FPs at one level.
http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1195515&postcount=4

Please help me cuz now I gain a level in 10 hrs, so slow.

20 PA per dragon - not optimal. You should go for 30-35-40

With 85 stamina You can't farm many dragons for FP. Either rise energy to fortify serpents or rise stamina to attack dragons.

Blue Rose
06-26-2010, 03:59 AM
20/30/50 power attacks per dragon 40/35/30 Power attacks all give the same average number of demi slots

Blue Rose
06-26-2010, 04:00 AM
100 stamina is more than sufficient to start, do 20 PA/dragon, when you can get to 150 stamina do 30 Power Attacks

Blue Rose
06-26-2010, 04:02 AM
I am going to try to go from level 300 to level 400 in under 2 days without using Favor Points. Would that qualify me as a power leveller?

RAUKO
06-26-2010, 04:03 AM
20/30/50 power attacks per dragon 40/35/30 Power attacks all give the same average number of demi slots

If You say so.

Blue Rose
06-26-2010, 04:04 AM
so ;)

Blue Rose
06-26-2010, 04:05 AM
Who is hiding all the dragons?

Patrick D
06-26-2010, 09:44 AM
I am going to try to go from level 300 to level 400 in under 2 days without using Favor Points. Would that qualify me as a power leveller?

No, that would qualify you as a defensive scripter and a cheater.

Dr Devious
06-26-2010, 10:10 AM
Hi, I think I'm gettin' stuck again.

LV83 with 313 Energy and 85 Stamina.

I've done 20PA each on several dragons and not get any FP yet.
So, I really have no idea how I can farm enough FP to refill more often
because I have only 8 FPs and haven't got more so far.

Also, I read EpiQC's strategy but I can't figure out how I farm 10 FPs at one level.
http://174.37.115.166/cforum/showpost.php?p=1195515&postcount=4

Please help me cuz now I gain a level in 10 hrs, so slow.

at level 83 you shouldn't need to farm i never which from quest levelling till i reach 300,