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sorel_agronis
05-29-2010, 11:00 PM
My account is currently a bit of a glass cannon (really more of a glass pea-shooter atm) with 1 defense and just a handful of points in attack from devoting to Malekus. My question for you is, say I equip Vanquish with my stats... which at level 4 is +12 to player attack and -15 to player defense. Would my player defense then effectively be negative 14? Or would it just be counted as zero?

Kage Cow
05-29-2010, 11:10 PM
your defense will stay as 1. There nothing lower than 1.

Deltacross
05-30-2010, 02:07 AM
Just a quick correction. Lvl 4 vanquish actually gives +20 attack and -25 defense :P.

sorel_agronis
05-30-2010, 06:55 PM
Just a quick correction. Lvl 4 vanquish actually gives +20 attack and -25 defense :P.

Ah, you are correct sir, yes. Dunno where I got the +12/-15 or whatever. But at least it got the idea across. I should probably stay away from the forums whilst I am drinking.

labalaba
05-31-2010, 03:06 AM
For Vanquish, +25/-20 means:
25 + (0.7 x -20) = +11 eff when attacking
(0.7 x 25) + -20 = -2.5 eff when defending

Your main att/def is more important,
I don't think it matters unless you have
less than 3 attack.

edit: It doesn't matter at all if you also include the gears

sorel_agronis
05-31-2010, 08:43 AM
For Vanquish, +25/-20 means:
25 + (0.7 x -20) = +11 eff when attacking
(0.7 x 25) + -20 = -2.5 eff when defending

Your main att/def is more important,
I don't think it matters unless you have
less than 3 attack.

edit: It doesn't matter at all if you also include the gears

Ah, see, here's something else I'm getting at. My current base stats are 20 ATK and 2 DEF, apparently I mis-clicked once. And yes, I know horrible stats there, but haven't playing long.

And actually, Vanquish gives +20 pATK / -25 pDEF, typo in the general box. So in actuality the stat balance would be:

20 + (0.7 -25) = +2.5 pATK for attacks
(0.7 20) + -25 = -11 pDEF for defend

But back to my previous point. Since I only have the 2 defense to subtract, wouldn't the equation be changed like so for attacks:

20 + (0.7 -1) = +19.3 pATK

And for my stats...

40 + (0.7 -1) = 39.3 total attack with Vanq equipped

Since, as was previously stated, player defense cannot be lower than one, shouldn't there only be 1 defense to take away for me for the attack ratio? And obviously if that would apply, I would still only have the one defense... I think. Too tired to crunch any more numbers. But would I be correct on the equation?

Kage Cow
05-31-2010, 11:27 AM
But back to my previous point. Since I only have the 2 defense to subtract, wouldn't the equation be changed like so for attacks:

20 + (0.7 -1) = +19.3 pATK
20 + (0.7 1) = +20.7 pATK
And for my stats...

40 + (0.7 -1) = 39.3 total attack with Vanq equipped
40 + (0.7 1) = 40.7 total attack with Vanq equipped


Added corrections in red.
you cannot have a negative value for defence. Lowest number is 1.
if you have 1 and get -25 from vanquish, you will still have 1

labalaba
05-31-2010, 03:28 PM
the equation is just a speculation, but useful guideline:

attacking: 40 + 0.7 x -23 = 23.9 + gear-stats + positive-chance
defending: 40 x 0.7 - 23 = 5 + gear-stats + positive-chance
its proper math, if the overall value is negative THEN it's rounded to 1.

Kage Cow
06-01-2010, 02:20 AM
looking at his stats, I was under the impression that he does not even have equipment for boosting his def beyond 25. I do not think there would be a negative value of defence added to the equation since lowest value for defence is 1. so I concurr that your speculation does not follow with the current settings.
if by any means that you get a value lower than 1, it will stay as 1 and not a negative number.