Why ever pray to Aurora?

[Flawed Paradigm]

I don't want more hit points. More HP means I spend more/take longer to heal, can get chained more often, and lose more BP. I'd rather pray to lower my max HP by one, down to fifty, if it's all the same to you. There's a problem when one of the demipowers is effectively cursing you, I'd say. Heh.

[Falco]

I used to not have a use for the stamina points either. I mean, I don't like attacking people, so why bother getting more stamina points?

The developers might do something later that makes health points useful too.

[Flawed Paradigm]

+Stamina is even better for attacking dragons than players. You'd want it for that, probably. At least enough to get 5 stamina to power attack. +Health is basically a curse, though. The only reason to even get Aurora demi points is the rewards for DP, but you can get those (albeit slowly) from PvPing and/or dragonslaying.

[KCL1971]

The only reason to pray to Aurora is pretty much for the moonfall amulet. There aren't that many good amulets around and this moonfall amulet is a monster with 40/40 stat. The 2nd best amulet is probably the amulet of tempest(from Ambrosia) with a stat of 10/11 which doesn't come anywhere close to the moonfall amulet.

[Falco]

+Stamina is even better for attacking dragons than players.Right. Sorry I wasn't very explicit. Before the dragons came out, I used to not have a use for the stamina points either. When the dragons came out, stamina became useful. The developers might eventually put in something that makes health more useful later too. Mostly, I agree with you, at least with the current state of the game. I would love a way to drop max health points too.

The only reason to pray to Aurora is pretty much for the moonfall amulet.You can get that (albeit very slowly) by just battling for demi points without ever praying to Aurora.

[Commander-Tidus]

I agree while the health boost isn't all that great because of the higher risk of being chained, her prizes (to me) are the better ones next to Azeron's. A 40atk/40 def. amulet isn't one to be messed with! Hahaha!

[Flawed Paradigm]

Perhaps dragons hitting at least slightly harder than my dead grandmum?

[Droidlover]

I totally started recieving blessings from Aurora for the moonfall amulet. I am now 10days away from getting it. Then its onto Azeron for the sword of redemption. Get what you can before you hit the bloodbath that is level 80+.

[stormlrd]

Food for thought wait until the dragons hit back rather than blowing kisses the way they do now.... you might rethink the whole health thing lmao.

PS: might want to wonder what other monsters are coming too as if it was just gonna be dragons than the tab would of said "dragons" not "monsters" lol plus the Helm is only one part of a set as yet reveiled... what will those items be? what will we have to kill to get it? I dont currently do auroua either but once im done with the others i will, because at some point we will want it you can bet on it.

[javaguru]

I totally started recieving blessings from Aurora for the moonfall amulet. I am now 10days away from getting it. Then its onto Azeron for the sword of redemption. Get what you can before you hit the bloodbath that is level 80+.

Speaking from experience, I hit level 80 during the first week of dragon fighting. Nothing to worry yourself about with the changes developers have made. The problem wasn't the chaining, I still get it, it's the fact xp was hard to come by because you could only quest and fight for xp and most of the people on the battle list were corpses. Dragons give guranteed money, ecperience and loot...

[Droidlover]

Aside from the Moonfall Amulet 40/40, let's not forget the other great items from Aurora...

For the shield slot: Moonfall shield is 10/15 and is second only to the Sword of Redemption 50/30.

For the armor slot: Moonfall robes are 15/20 and (depending on whether you are attacking or defending) is equivilent to the Lionheart Plate 10/25, which are the best armors you can get.



So Aurora has...

Moonfall Shield...second best.

Moonfall Robes...tied for best.

Moonfall Amulet...Priceless!

So the real question is...why aren't you praying to Aurora?

[Akai]

food for thought:

Aurora's second to last item is moonfall robe 15/20
Malekus' last reward, his sword is 20/13
Corv's last reward also an armour is 10/25

So completing aurora's line gives 2 great dueling items, while malk and corv gives mediocore but 45 more att/def....seems a hard choice thus seems balanced

[chupacabra]

food for thought:

Aurora's second to last item is moonfall robe 15/20
Malekus' last reward, his sword is 20/13
Corv's last reward also an armour is 10/25

So completing aurora's line gives 2 great dueling items, while malk and corv gives mediocore but 45 more att/def....seems a hard choice thus seems balanced

The trade off is time. It takes a minimum of 40 days to earn each demi reward. So that's 40 atk points or 40 def points you would've gained from malek or Corv respectively.

IMO that's why the developers have given the other demi's much more powerful items, because you lose combat value the more time you spend praying to anyone other than Malek or Corv. You can only overcome that loss by achieving the other demi items as fast as possible.

EDIT: also like to comment and say, dear god I hope they let us clean up our own "monster tab" before they go adding more, because I have to scroll through damn near 20 dead dragons to get to the bottom as is, I'd hate to see what happens when they add MORE monster types.

[Aragorn26]

Aurora is one of the best you can do if you want better items. Also i saw that Aurora was the one who was giving all around items for duels(meaning with her you can get weapon,shield,robe,spell). Azeron would be like Aurora also, Sword of Redemption is used has a Shield and with Blade of Vengeance has a weapon you already have a big edge for duels.

Malekus for me would be next after those 2 because of the Helmet and the Axe.
Then Corvintheus for the Plate and Ambrosia for the spell(putted her last because you already get a good spell from a boss in the Quest section and there isnt much difference of power between both, Tempest Storm is just a little higher and the rest items is worth nothing considering you do Azeron or Aurora first :P)

[Droidlover]

Aurora is one of the best you can do if you want better items. Also i saw that Aurora was the one who was giving all around items for duels(meaning with her you can get weapon,shield,robe,spell). Azeron would be like Aurora also, Sword of Redemption is used has a Shield and with Blade of Vengeance has a weapon you already have a big edge for duels.



Too true. Azeron has the best shield item (Sword of Redemption 50/30), the second best weapon (Blade of Vengeance 17/15), and the second best helmet item (Cowl of the Avenger 12/7). My choice of progression is Aurora, then Azeron, then Corvintheus (Defense bonuses).

So Aurora and Azeron give you the following items for duels...

Weapon...Blade of Vengeance 17/15 (second best)
Shield...Sword of Redemption 50/30 (best)
Helmet...Cowl of the Avenger 12/7 (second best)
Armor...Moonfall Robes 15/20 (tied for best)
Amulet...Moonfall Amulet 40/40 (best)

That's five out of the six dueling items. How can you go wrong?

[Lena Gkika]

Too true. Azeron has the best shield item (Sword of Redemption 50/30), the second best weapon (Blade of Vengeance 17/15), and the second best helmet item (Cowl of the Avenger 12/7). My choice of progression is Aurora, then Azeron, then Corvintheus (Defense bonuses).

So Aurora and Azeron give you the following items for duels...

Weapon...Blade of Vengeance 17/15 (second best)
Shield...Sword of Redemption 50/30 (best)
Helmet...Cowl of the Avenger 12/7 (second best)
Armor...Moonfall Robes 15/20 (tied for best)
Amulet...Moonfall Amulet 40/40 (best)

That's five out of the six dueling items. How can you go wrong?

too tired to post all the math here, but if you choose Malekus + Corvintheus path instead of Aurora+Azeron, the total skill points you will win far outweigh the points gained from the gear and will build you a very strong character. Azeron of course serves for a stamina boost, but if you want to make an invincible character then its better if you go for att/def , at least till you get past the difficult stage of levels 80-100.
if you are into dragon hunting, go for stamina, but i would leave Aurora and Ambrosia out. You will eventually get their stuff from the demi points won either in battles either from dragon slaying.

[Flawed Paradigm]

Plus, you know, you don't have to deal with Aurora *cursing* you in exchange for gear.

[Hammock]

I had pumped myself up on defense over any other stat. Which worked out to my advantage when the battle point system came out.

I actually got more battle points in a single day from people attacking me than I did attacking other people, so I actually healed myself to full every opportunity I got.

But then the dragons came out and I needed stamina, so my defense lapsed, and now the bottom feeders are generally the only ones that will chain attack me. I can still pretty much end each day with more battlepoints than I started with, without even attacking (well atleast it doesn't seem to be that I end the day with less than I started with).

*Edit* Went back and did the totals over the past 3 days of my News Feed.

Out of all the attacks done to me I gained 271 points, and lost 153 which means I'm up 118 battle points, without even attacking. So the more hp's I have theoretically and averagely speaking, I will gain more battle points.

*Note* this is just to play devil's advocate on the title of this thread, I don't actually have a lot of hp's, I just heal myself all the damn time

[Droidlover]

too tired to post all the math here, but if you choose Malekus + Corvintheus path instead of Aurora+Azeron, the total skill points you will win far outweigh the points gained from the gear and will build you a very strong character.

It will build you a strong character, but if you complete both paths for Malekus and Corvintheus you get a +45 attack and +45 defense. The Moonfall Amulet (+40/+40) given by Aurora almost covers that by itself.

[Kael]

haha Lena gives out all the good ideas. I keep that stuff to myself and figure if they cant figure it out, thats one extra for me = P

[Kael]

It will build you a strong character, but if you complete both paths for Malekus and Corvintheus you get a +45 attack and +45 defense. The Moonfall Amulet (+40/+40) given by Aurora almost covers that by itself.

Nope. You're not considering all the facts that apply

[Lena Gkika]

It will build you a strong character, but if you complete both paths for Malekus and Corvintheus you get a +45 attack and +45 defense. The Moonfall Amulet (+40/+40) given by Aurora almost covers that by itself.

in duels Aurora gives 40+40=80, while M/C gives 90, already a winner
in invasions Aurora still gives 80 while M/C gives 90*501=45090 points

now who wants Aurora?

[YouReallySuck]

Have some patience, you should never put a single point into Aurora if you want to max out. You can do Ambrosia and Azeron if you wanted the additional stamina and energy anyway.

If you want the amulet faster, sure go for it.

[Droidlover]

in duels Aurora gives 40+40=80, while M/C gives 90, already a winner
in invasions Aurora still gives 80 while M/C gives 90*501=45090 points


I said it almost covered it with one item.

If the the attack formula multiplies attack and defense by your army number, then M/C could probably be the better option for invasions. However, A/A should come out on top for dueling (I'm doing a spreadsheet to facotr in the other items).

On a side note, with the new combat formula, what's the point of having a separate attack and defense stat anyway? But that's a topic for another thread (and has been).

[Blackbriar Thorn]

Through my runs at the demi points, can safely recommend that you need to get ALL items from the blessings. However, may I also recommend that Aurora be the last deity to pay homage to...she's just too dangerous at low levels to get...you'll have more time getting beat up on the battlefield.:)

[Jehann]

Every one has their own strategy and plays the game their own way. *shrugs* I finished Aurora first, and haven't had any problems being competitive on the battle page.

Now I'm about half way through Coventhius for the defense, then I plan to move on to Azeron for the stamina so I can battle monsters. I used almost all of my leveling up points on defense and offense (about 2:1) and I've spent a lot of time doing the quests 3x to get the extra points.

I can hold my own against most bands my level, and figure everyone gets pounded by the big guys, so why worry about it? I just spend or bank my money as often as I can. The 10% hurts, but two rounds of chaining can easily cost $2 million. I'd rather give it to the bank than to some player beating the crap out of me!

[Lena Gkika]

I said it almost covered it with one item.

If the the attack formula multiplies attack and defense by your army number, then M/C could probably be the better option for invasions. However, A/A should come out on top for dueling (I'm doing a spreadsheet to facotr in the other items).

On a side note, with the new combat formula, what's the point of having a separate attack and defense stat anyway? But that's a topic for another thread (and has been).

1) you can always get aurora items, but just with demi points from battles, or with the fewest blessings possible, if you do Aurora last.

2) the fact that both att/def ar factored doesn't mean they are factored together

it is not necessarily army*skills + (total att/def of all items etc)

it could be [X*att+(1-X)]*army+X*(total att of all items )+(1-X)*(total def of all items)

So att/def count with different weights, X & 1-X accordingly for both skills AND items/units/spells

[Droidlover]

Ok, here is my spreadsheet for the Demi-Power items:

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv35/droidlover/DemiPowerComparison.jpg
So...Aurora is the top dog, with Azeron coming in second...and Ambrosia, well we won't talk about her.

Now, as it has been mentioned before, this is the most beneficial for dueling.
Since the attack/defense matrix mentioned in a previous post is accurate, Malekus' attack blessings and Corvintheus' defense blessings add to each army member, making them the best for invasions.

But for the shear power of items, Aurora can't be beat...and it seems that she is also one of the more balanced (attack vs defense) Demi-Powers.
And so...Aurora is Queen of the Castle!!

For the shield slot: Moonfall shield is 10/15 and is second only to the Sword of Redemption 50/30.

For the armor slot: Moonfall robes are 15/20 and (depending on whether you are attacking or defending) is equivilent to the Lionheart Plate 10/25, which are the best armors you can get.

For the amulet slot: Moonfall Amulet 40/40 and is by far the best amulet you can find.



So Aurora has...

Moonfall Shield...second best.

Moonfall Robes...tied for best.

Moonfall Amulet...Priceless!

So the real question is...why aren't you praying to Aurora?

[Muzu]

I don't mean to nitpick, but you will never get 45 blessings of either atk or def blessing unless you waste prayers.

Assuming in a perfect world you get your 115 points a day (100 blessing, 5 for army members, 10 for battling) you will have your first god to 4500 in 40 days and your second in 36. (third god in 33, fourth in 30, and last in 28.)

So while the new battle system might change the importance of stats, I haven't seen correct numbers yet for the number of atk/def you will get on your way to 4500.

-muzu

[Droidlover]

I don't mean to nitpick, but you will never get 45 blessings of either atk or def blessing unless you waste prayers.

Assuming in a perfect world you get your 115 points a day (100 blessing, 5 for army members, 10 for battling) you will have your first god to 4500 in 40 days and your second in 36. (third god in 33, fourth in 30, and last in 28.)

-muzu

That's why if you plan properly, you don't invade or duel individuals from Malekus or Corvintheus. Optimize every move and make use of the best strategy. Quicker does'nt always mean better.

[Muzu]

That's why if you plan properly, you don't invade or duel individuals from Malekus or Corvintheus. Optimize every move and make use of the best strategy. Quicker does'nt always mean better.

Well then you also better not take anybody from Malekus or Corvintheus in your army because those extra 5 points a day would mean 43 prayers and 43 points...

Where do we draw the line between optimal and obsessive?

[Droidlover]

To each, there own.

[sfgiantsfanmike]

Ok, here is my spreadsheet for the Demi-Power items: ::snipped::


So...Aurora is the top dog, with Azeron coming in second...and Ambrosia, well we won't talk about her.

Now, as it has been mentioned before, this is the most beneficial for dueling.
::more snipped::


So Aurora has...

Moonfall Shield...second best.

Moonfall Robes...tied for best.

Moonfall Amulet...Priceless!

So the real question is...why aren't you praying to Aurora?

Just wanted to say this for the win! While Aurora, as of right now, has little use in her stat she boosts her items are second to none and if you're looking to build yourself a great dueler she may be the best Demi-power to go through first. You have to admit it's hard to get better than three of her items and even a fourth item, the Moonfall Mace, is better than anything you can buy in mass. She rocks.

[Chippy]

1) you can always get aurora items, but just with demi points from battles, or with the fewest blessings possible, if you do Aurora last.

Assuming you get all 10 Aurora demi-points per day from battles, and another 5 from monsters, it will still take you 300 days to get the amulet. Who wants to wait 300 days for an amulet, when they can get it in 45 days through prayers???

[Eriu]

Well, now that the hydra actually does some damage to your health, you may not feel the extra points that badly.

[Jorge Rivas]

Guys, getting Chained is irrelevant to HP. The main problem when getting Chained is that your stats suck, not that you have a lot of HP and can be Chained longer.

[Sophia Dragonhunter]

Well, now that the hydra actually does some damage to your health, you may not feel the extra points that badly.

Except Celesta heals you for next to nothing. Costs me approximately 50k to heal 100 hit points.

[Ennoia]

Well, now that the hydra actually does some damage to your health, you may not feel the extra points that badly.

Eriu is right. Hitpoints are needed for Hydras.
Hydra: 723640972650432605234534653246324 hp vs your 10k damage
You: 50 hp vs Hydra's 7 retaliation damage

[The Lord of the Files]

Eriu is right. Hitpoints are needed for Hydras.
Hydra: 723640972650432605234534653246324 hp vs your 10k damage
You: 50 hp vs Hydra's 7 retaliation damage

er....actually the hydra is:

~175,000,000 HP vs. your 10K damage.

[poopenheimer]

well, great dueling items (been covered already in other posts) and depending on your build, health is not a curse. I can understand if you dropped all your points into attk/stamina/energy you would not want to have much health...

...and I love it when people spam attack me and unwittingly hand me battle points and victories.

with the hydra it appears that your gear matters, so perhaps getting her good drops is important.

[Droidlover]

Wow...this thread was dead a month ago...and it has come back to life...right after Halloween! Amazing!

[Ragnar]

er....actually the hydra is:

~175,000,000 HP vs. your 10K damage.

Speak for yourself. I do 23,000 at minimum and 70,000+ on the high end :D

[The Lord of the Files]

lol. point taken. I was correcting the Hydra side of the equation, not publicizing my end.

Mine is actually way less than 10K, per PA.

But I hit it 40 times on a level up. Meh. Cronus is interesting, and a welcome step towards a truly balanced monster battle, but after mine is dead, I won't be in on another for a long time.

Dragons are better ROI for my build.

[generalanders]

Now, as it has been mentioned before, this is the most beneficial for dueling.
Since the attack/defense matrix mentioned in a previous post is accurate, Malekus' attack blessings and Corvintheus' defense blessings add to each army member, making them the best for invasions.

But for the shear power of items, Aurora can't be beat...and it seems that she is also one of the more balanced (attack vs defense) Demi-Powers.
And so...Aurora is Queen of the Castle!!

For the shield slot: Moonfall shield is 10/15 and is second only to the Sword of Redemption 50/30.

For the armor slot: Moonfall robes are 15/20 and (depending on whether you are attacking or defending) is equivilent to the Lionheart Plate 10/25, which are the best armors you can get.

For the amulet slot: Moonfall Amulet 40/40 and is by far the best amulet you can find.



So Aurora has...

Moonfall Shield...second best.

Moonfall Robes...tied for best.

Moonfall Amulet...Priceless!

So the real question is...why aren't you praying to Aurora?

Wow Droid.... you totally fail. Lena already spelled it out for you and you still insist that praying to aurora is good (and have it in your sig)? Either you're really dense or trying to spread misinformation.

Also, the answer to this thread being dead and back is because your sig links to it.

[Darren]

Also, the answer to this thread being dead and back is because your sig links to it.

Coffee out of mouth on keyboard moment.

[Arctic Wolf]

Wow Droid.... you totally fail. Lena already spelled it out for you and you still insist that praying to aurora is good (and have it in your sig)? Either you're really dense or trying to spread misinformation.

Also, the answer to this thread being dead and back is because your sig links to it.

He said its more beneficial to duelers and not invaders. And if you saw Sophia's dueling guide you'd understand :p

[Zidovain]

Moonfall Shield...second best.

Moonfall Robes...tied for best.

Moonfall Amulet...Priceless!

So the real question is...why aren't you praying to Aurora?

Good point! i was originally going for malekus or corvintheus after azeron. now im reconsidering that... but just one question though, how much weight does item stats give? i believe it does not weigh as much as player attributed stats given by Malekus and Corvintheus..?

[Droidlover]

Good point! i was originally going for malekus or corvintheus after azeron. now im reconsidering that... but just one question though, how much weight does item stats give? i believe it does not weigh as much as player attributed stats given by Malekus and Corvintheus..?

No one really knows the formula.:(

[Shadron]

what is this, bump topics that should have died long ago week? i should go like 4 pages back and pull up some random one.